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Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

Slaapaav posted:

I loving hate vista! I think its destroying my saves.

Did you install to C:\Program Files\

because if you did, shame on you (and that is probably your issue)

take a look in C:\users\USERNAME\AppData\Local\ and you should find your saves if you did.

Psion fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Jan 16, 2009

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Slaapaav
Mar 3, 2006

by Azathoth

Psion posted:

Did you install to C:\Program Files\

because if you did, shame on you (and that is probably your issue)

I did! Oh, god please help me!

:smithicide:

Slaapaav
Mar 3, 2006

by Azathoth
C:\users\USERNAME\AppData\Local\ or anything resembling it doesnt exist in vista.

:smith:

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

Slaapaav posted:

C:\users\USERNAME\AppData\Local\ or anything resembling it doesnt exist in vista.

:smith:

Yeah it does, it's just a hidden folder. I do hope you changed USERNAME to be your, y'know, actual Windows username. You might need admin rights to see it. I have UAC set to auto-elevate me for browsing folders so I don't remember.

You could also type it in by hand and probably bypass the issue entirely, like instead of trying to browse folders just open up windows explorer and type in (no quotes) "C:\users\myusernamegoeshere\AppData\Local" ... but it's there, I swear!

e: oh if you have hidden folders set to be, well, hidden, follow these steps:
http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/1521/how_to_view_hidden_and_system_files_and_folders_in_vista/

then you can actually see them.

Slaapaav
Mar 3, 2006

by Azathoth
Just getting used to vista. Running ja2.exe as admin fixed the save load error.

:golgo:

Suggest stats for Golgo 13 IMP?

Nimgimmer
Jun 13, 2003

Oh yes kitties! Please fight!
Fun Shoe

Tommofork posted:

Multiplayer is kind of broken. Explosives are completely hosed to the point they can't be used, line of sight and intercepts are just a bit strange and if the enemy takes camo and you don't (gentlemen's rules) prepare to get hosed in the rear end.

Also gently caress match ammo right off you gamey pricks.

Only tried a once off coop mission and it was pretty fun even though we got slaughtered. Never tried to do an actual coop campaign.

Has anyone here tried a coop campaign? Does it work at all? It sounds like it would be a ton of fun, coop tactical games are few and far between.

Carecat
Apr 27, 2004

Buglord

Nigmenog posted:

Has anyone here tried a coop campaign? Does it work at all? It sounds like it would be a ton of fun, coop tactical games are few and far between.

Sounds like it would make a slow game even slower!

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.
Man I would be lying if I didn't agree that this game is slow. Probably one of the slowest I've ever played. I guess it's a good thing it is fun as hell hmm?


I have a question about guns. So many of these guns have identical stats at Bobby Ray's. Should I just be choosing guns (after having selected from range and damage) based on personal preference or are there hidden stats behind each one?

Carecat
Apr 27, 2004

Buglord
Bobby Ray's only tells half the picture, you have to have one in your inventory to see the full stats, which sucks.

The base damage will be changed by what ammo you load into it but that is mostly situational, like hollowpoints sucking against armour. I think it's meant to reflect the barrel length and natural accuracy of the gun, as more accurate shots = better damage according to the JA2 simulation.

Beeb
Jun 29, 2003

Good hunter, free us from this waking nightmare

Slaapaav posted:

Suggest stats for Golgo 13 IMP?

High marksman, agility, maybe sneaking?

Too bad all the M16/M4s suck for range :\

Edit:

Oh god I forgot all about the redneck farm. Knifed three guys, took a couple of 40mm HEs out of the supply shed and proceeded to mustard gas anyone who got near. Final hillbilly caught my forty to the back of the dome THROUGH A WINDOW for -1 stun damage, then caught on fire when the grenade exploded.

It was some poo poo like this:



Only not with a smoke. :3:

God I love this game, I should learn how to use the map editor and just make a bunch of random scenarios.

Beeb fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Jan 17, 2009

Ne Cede Malis
Aug 30, 2008
Godamn this game is frustrating sometimes. I took the drassen airport after killing 2 patrols on the way from the starting zone. My guys are kind of wounded so im sitting there doctor/patienting it up. 13 Guys show up. I hole up inside a building in there. Playing iron man here, this is the following attempts:

1: Everyone sitting inside 4x5 room guns pointed at door. Gun down anyone who opens it. 1 person left outside. I sneak out to kill him. He spots my guys sneaking crouched down inside the building. Fires one round through the window, striking my IMP in the head, instantly killing him. Reload.

2: Try again. Kill everyone but 2 left. Walk out to hunt them down. The two guys are about 5 tiles away on the other side of the room, critical. IMP guy kills one. I have one merc with AP left. 75% Chance to hit the guy. I fire twice. I miss twice. He shoots Ira in the brain. Reload.

3: Same deal. Everyone sneeling covering door. Bad guys open door. None of my guys get interrupts. Guy who opens door shoots Ira, who is prone hiding behind 3 guys and on the other side of the room. One hit to the head instant kill. He shuts the door politely. Reload

3: Have one guy outside covering door to previous room. Someone walks through. 99% chance to hit. I tell him to fire 3 round burst. He fires 15 rounds, burning all his AP. Another guy walks through with dual pistols and kills him dead.
Alt X.

This game is really loving frustrating in the beginning when you're broke and have lovely gear...

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

webcomics thread posted:

Bobby Ray's only tells half the picture, you have to have one in your inventory to see the full stats, which sucks.

While true, most of the hidden stats aren't really a big enough deal to matter. Get what you want. If you absolutely positively must min/max the 1.13 devs have a hard-on for HK, so I'm sure their guns are just that tiny bit better in the stats.

Well, I should clarify - the 'hidden stats' tend to be more or less consistent across caliber/weapon-class. So a G3 and a FAL are going to be pretty similar in the hidden stats, in my experience. Obviously a FAL and an M60 are going to be different.

Carecat
Apr 27, 2004

Buglord

Ne Cede Malis posted:

This game is really loving frustrating in the beginning when you're broke and have lovely gear...

I hired magic with gear for one day and he headshotted the gently caress out of everyone with his M16.

He called everyone snapperheads so I was kinda relieved when he left.

Carecat fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Jan 17, 2009

Ceyton
Oct 9, 2004

YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!
YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!
YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!

Capn Beeb posted:

God I love this game, I should learn how to use the map editor and just make a bunch of random scenarios.

A mission-based mod for 1.13 (sort of like Deadly Games) would be really awesome if done properly. I quite often get tired of the lack of tactical variety in JA2. It's pretty much always "kill all hostiles in sector", occasionally with a gimmick to spice things up.

It would be nice to have some sort of mission listing with a wide variety of objectives, like rescue/extraction, material recovery, assassination, sabotage, recon, etc. and have a choice of one-off missions with a fixed budget for quick games, or a "career mode" where you can use your pay for better gear or training.

sisonpyh
Dec 9, 2005

Just the tip LeBron. Just the tip.
I routinely solo the Drassen counter attack with Ivan + Mortar/LMG and Sunglasses

Best game ever.

And if you want gun porn, this is all you need: http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=181880&page=1#Post181880

LvK
Feb 27, 2006

FIVE STARS!!

sisonpyh posted:

I routinely solo the Drassen counter attack with Ivan + Mortar/LMG and Sunglasses

Best game ever.

And if you want gun porn, this is all you need: http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=181880&page=1#Post181880

I was looking at that, but was wary of installing it - any info on what types of guns it adds? Like, anything worthwhile and stylish (MINIGUN MINIGUN) or is it just every possible variant on the AK and AR platforms you can imagine

EDIT: Nevermind, just found out what was up with his site. I'm retarded.

LvK fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Jan 17, 2009

Georg LeBoui
Feb 10, 2006
Wearing a Monocle Since 1987

sisonpyh posted:


And if you want gun porn, this is all you need: http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=181880&page=1#Post181880

That thread is confusing as gently caress. Have you got a better link to what the mod actually does?

Ne Cede Malis
Aug 30, 2008

TR0LL posted:

Also "Enemies Drop all Items" should be unmarked in the 1.13 there is a new drop table

options.inf entry
ENEMIES_ITEM_DROP = 1

Which drop item system for enemies and militia would you like to use?

0 = Use default drop item system for enemies and militia.
1 = Use the new drop item system from XML-Files (EnemyWeaponDrops.xml, EnemyAmmoDrops.xml, EnemyArmourDrops.xml, EnemyExplosiveDrops.xml, EnemyMiscDrops.xml) for enemies and militia. You also have to disable "Enemies drop all items" in the option screen, to use the new drop item system.

So how the hell do I set it to where enemies drop everything they're carrying? 1 or 0?

Ion Mage
Dec 21, 2006

Ne Cede Malis posted:

So how the hell do I set it to where enemies drop everything they're carrying? 1 or 0?

Thats an option in the in-game options menu, not in the xml files.

Ne Cede Malis
Aug 30, 2008

Ion Mage posted:

Thats an option in the in-game options menu, not in the xml files.

Thank you. Does that INI file just change it so they use the 1.13 drop tables or something? I was wondering why it wasn't working.

EDIT: also, is there a way I can delete the loving sound effects for Ira; she is the most annoying oval office ever.

Ne Cede Malis fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Jan 17, 2009

Beeb
Jun 29, 2003

Good hunter, free us from this waking nightmare

sisonpyh posted:

And if you want gun porn, this is all you need: http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=181880&page=1#Post181880

A loving K31 pistol and Pfiefer-Zeliska mother of GOD that's some offbeat poo poo.

Edit:

lol Magpul Masadas

oh christ M231 rifles. Did these guys wander the internet trying to find the strangest poo poo ever or what

edit 2:

Ok I think I need to get this just to use a K31.

lol their Saiga-12 looks like mine :neckbeard:

Edit 3:

cool, patched up DBB and check out Bobby's shop, crash to desktop. :sigh: Good thing I backed up my modded files.

Beeb fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Jan 17, 2009

Georg LeBoui
Feb 10, 2006
Wearing a Monocle Since 1987

Capn Beeb posted:

cool, patched up DBB and check out Bobby's shop, crash to desktop. :sigh: Good thing I backed up my modded files.

Actually I don't know if they are the same thing, but I've used Old Possum's DBB Mod V4 ontop of the 1.13 version linked in OP and HAM Beta 2.8 and the game has been running great so far. Not a single crash.

EDIT: Also what the gently caress is it with Bobby Ray not stocking 5.45 mags but he has ammo cases for it. Whats the point in having 3000 rounds of 5.45 ammo if I can't order the mags for it :(

Georg LeBoui fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Jan 17, 2009

Ceyton
Oct 9, 2004

YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!
YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!
YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!

Georg LeBoui posted:

EDIT: Also what the gently caress is it with Bobby Ray not stocking 5.45 mags but he has ammo cases for it. Whats the point in having 3000 rounds of 5.45 ammo if I can't order the mags for it :(

Mercs carry an infinite supply of empty spare mags. Just load the weapon and eject it. :ssh:

Georg LeBoui
Feb 10, 2006
Wearing a Monocle Since 1987
Actually what you have to do is drag the weapon onto the ammo case and it creates 5 mags that then get placed in your inventory.

Jesus christ though, there is just too many weapons now - it's ridiculous. I spend more time in Bobby Ray's than I do actually shooting bad guys. I'm supposed to be saving up for Magic, but I keep blowing all my money on matching Spetznaz outfits and other random crap.

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you

Ne Cede Malis posted:

Guy who opens door shoots Ira, who is prone hiding behind 3 guys and on the other side of the room. One hit to the head instant kill. He shuts the door politely.

I don't know what you're complaining about, this is far, far better than what Ira deserves :commissar:

Ion Mage
Dec 21, 2006
Why all the Ira hate? early game shes a decent enough a medic and pack-mule, enough so that I don't have to worry about spending money to hire another merc for those tasks (early on I want to use my money to hire a good merc for a short while, to get myself footed in the country and also to get his weapon afterwards :v). And if you let her practice and shoot in a while, she becomes a respectable enough shot, for free.

Yeah, her voice is annoying, but not enough to negate the above.

Dyna Soar
Nov 30, 2006

Ion Mage posted:

Why all the Ira hate? early game shes a decent enough a medic and pack-mule, enough so that I don't have to worry about spending money to hire another merc for those tasks (early on I want to use my money to hire a good merc for a short while, to get myself footed in the country and also to get his weapon afterwards :v). And if you let her practice and shoot in a while, she becomes a respectable enough shot, for free.

Yeah, her voice is annoying, but not enough to negate the above.

She's an annoying shemale who complains all the time.

edit: Kind of like Jaheira (you know who this is if you're a big enough nerd).


edit2: Has no one really modded any new portraits to the game? I mean there are a ton of huge TC's and other mods but no new portraits?

Dyna Soar fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Jan 17, 2009

Ne Cede Malis
Aug 30, 2008
Godamnit ok this is frustrating. It seems every one of my guns is jamming like crazy now. At least 6-12 times per battle, usually with 2 or 3 back to back jams. My mercs have from 0 to about 45ish mechanical skill, more than 80ish marksmanship. Its happening with every kind of gun I pick up regardless of condition. WTF is going on? Is there like a cleaning kit item they added in im not seeing or something?

Is there a way to clear a jam other than trying to shoot?

onionradish
Jul 6, 2006

That's spicy.

Dyna Soar posted:

Has no one really modded any new portraits to the game? I mean there are a ton of huge TC's and other mods but no new portraits?


:barf:

Georg LeBoui
Feb 10, 2006
Wearing a Monocle Since 1987
Is there any way to play the Unfinished Business or any other campaign with 1.13/HAM/DBB? I'm getting tired of playing through the same campaign and I never really get to finish it :(

EDIT: As much as I love the variety in the DBB mod, the fact that he cut the ranges on pistols to ridiculously small ranges is annoying. I mean, what the gently caress, some pistols have a 4 tile range! I'm going through now and restoring the ranges to about 15-20 tiles. It should stop the AI from trying to run up to right up to your face with a pistol.

EDIT2: Hahahhaahhaa .38 Chief's range is 2 tiles. :psyduck:

Georg LeBoui fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Jan 18, 2009

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS
This is from forever and a week ago, but I use 165% damage for my explosives.

So in the JA2 ini set the explosives variable to 65 (it's 100+X%, you define x) and go have fun.

Dyna Soar
Nov 30, 2006

onionradish posted:



:barf:

:colbert:

Parias
Jul 17, 2000

My Generosity is again
LEGENDARY!

Nigmenog posted:

Has anyone here tried a coop campaign? Does it work at all? It sounds like it would be a ton of fun, coop tactical games are few and far between.

I've been trying to get straight information on this, but haven't been able to find confirmation anywhere yet. Has nobody actually tried this thing out for a LAN party yet?

Killfast37
May 7, 2007

Georg LeBoui posted:

Is there any way to play the Unfinished Business or any other campaign with 1.13/HAM/DBB? I'm getting tired of playing through the same campaign and I never really get to finish it :(

EDIT: As much as I love the variety in the DBB mod, the fact that he cut the ranges on pistols to ridiculously small ranges is annoying. I mean, what the gently caress, some pistols have a 4 tile range! I'm going through now and restoring the ranges to about 15-20 tiles. It should stop the AI from trying to run up to right up to your face with a pistol.

EDIT2: Hahahhaahhaa .38 Chief's range is 2 tiles. :psyduck:
Are you using DBB Mod 4.0 or the latest one? I'm hoping that 4 has the guns but not that poo poo. I loving love pistols and would hate to see them so useless. I love to run around a map with a silenced H&K USP and wipe out 9 or 10 people. Also can I install DBB Mod 4 without 1.13 being SVN? I didn't know what SVN was when I first installed 1.13. Will I have to start a new game for DBB Mod? If so I'm just going to finish my current game and do a fresh install.

Gadzuko
Feb 14, 2005
I'm having a lot of problems with militia being totally worthless. I'm used to needing to retrain SAM garrisons after every attack, but the 20 guys I can put in there can't seem to win against the forces that get sent to attack them on a regular basis. I have to save before every attack, reload several times and pray.

I also just got attacked in Alma by 20 troops and my 40 militia (20 regular, 20 green) were able to kill a grand total of one enemy before they were all slaughtered. I'm only playing on Expert. Is this normal? In vanilla JA I never remember having these problems.

ValueWolf
Dec 15, 2004
Remember, the multiplayer is a serious work-in-progress. It's added in after the fact by fans, and was not an original feature. Be nice! It's new.

sisonpyh
Dec 9, 2005

Just the tip LeBron. Just the tip.

Georg LeBoui posted:

EDIT: As much as I love the variety in the DBB mod, the fact that he cut the ranges on pistols to ridiculously small ranges is annoying. I mean, what the gently caress, some pistols have a 4 tile range! I'm going through now and restoring the ranges to about 15-20 tiles. It should stop the AI from trying to run up to right up to your face with a pistol.

EDIT2: Hahahhaahhaa .38 Chief's range is 2 tiles. :psyduck:

Are you using Possum's version of DBB mod? I'm pretty sure his mod is what hosed with ranges.

Georg LeBoui
Feb 10, 2006
Wearing a Monocle Since 1987
Yeah I'm using Possum's mod, it's actually a "feature" of it. Still, its actually stable and doesn't crash at all, apparently unlike the very latest DBB build (907 I think).

I went through the weapons.xml and restored pistol ranges and fixed up some SMG ranges while I was at it too. If anyone wants I can upload my changed XML file somewhere.

Georg LeBoui fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Jan 18, 2009

Carecat
Apr 27, 2004

Buglord
What's the point of a weapons mod if it makes your bloody game crash?

Edit: Sounds like the XML editor that comes in the game is really crappy.

Carecat fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Jan 18, 2009

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sisonpyh
Dec 9, 2005

Just the tip LeBron. Just the tip.

webcomics thread posted:

What's the point of a weapons mod if it makes your bloody game crash?

Doesn't crash my game. Make sure you apply DBB mod after a fresh install though.

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