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KuangMkV posted:For some reason I thought you had a real down on The Once and Future King. no its amazing. i wrote my dissertation on it. Sure, there are huge flaws in it and I'm happy to talk about them but I love it and want to kiss it on the lips
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Liesmith posted:no its amazing. i wrote my dissertation on it. Sure, there are huge flaws in it and I'm happy to talk about them but I love it and want to kiss it on the lips Oh, okay good. I love the poo poo out of that book and was bummed thinking that the only legit authority on Arthurian legend I know thought it sucked!
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 20:14 |
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Liesmith posted:no its amazing. i wrote my dissertation on it. Sure, there are huge flaws in it and I'm happy to talk about them but I love it and want to kiss it on the lips Pass the port
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 20:19 |
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Mikan posted:Fighters have Daily and Encounter powers with a relatively flimsy in-universe justification for how these moves are so taxing that you can only do them once per day / per encounter. Wizards have Dailies and Encounters because that's how magic works. See the difference? A fighter exhausting his mental and physical reserves, reducing his options in combat: flimsy justification, reeking of "game design" A wizard only being able to "hold" so many spells of each quantum "level" in his brain between periods of rest: ~Verisimilitude!~
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 20:22 |
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Bane Guard is nothing compared to how lovely Frank can be when he actually tries. Holy poo poo EM you have a lot of pages of 'narding
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 20:27 |
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The problem I have with making something compketely new, like they did with 4e it is ends up being a very different game to me. i went back to D&D because of the things that made D&D for me over the years, but take away enough of those and I am no longer an automatic customer butnhave to be sold on the new edition (and if the play and mechaics dont appeal to me, i wont make the switch). Right now I have plenty of games I enjoy that arn't D&D and the only thing that will bring me back after 4E is a supported edition that plays much more like pre-4E D&D.
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FactsAreUseless posted:And no matter what, sticking out like a sore thumb will get you teased, whether it be gender, ethnicity, or otherwise.
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Mikan posted:As a member of so many hobbies that reward mastery of trivial skills () the RPG industry is the worst It's mainly because in RPGs more than, say, video games, connections carry a lot of clout for some reason. Mainly this is because most gamers imagine every publisher is just a garage industry where everyone involved is writing everything and poo poo. So, to a lot of dumb nerds, if you say, I dunno, Jim the Dude Who Writes For The Company That Writes That Game I Like is a shitbag, than you also are saying That Game I Like was written by shitbags all around, and thus, is for shitbags, and I'm no shitbag!
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 20:30 |
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No. D&D has gotten too far away from what it once was and needs to return. I should be able to pull Keep on the Borderlands off the shelf and run it in a game of D&D with minimal conversion, not scrap everything but names and start over. I don't mind improvements and refinements to the game, but I don't want a new game like 4E tried to do. Even 3E pushed the envelope too far sometimes. All a "new" game edition will do is further fracture the existing game base. We don't need that, what we need is a unification.
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Liesmith posted:no its amazing. i wrote my dissertation on it. Sure, there are huge flaws in it and I'm happy to talk about them but I love it and want to kiss it on the lips So how bad is Jack Whyte's Camulod series ?
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 20:35 |
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but so many rpg fans are shitbags The most depressing thing about grognards.txt is that it's not difficult to find things to post here. They are the norm in the RPG community. The common response to grognards.txt isn't "look at how awful all of these things are", it's "look at all those posters being intolerant of other opinions, what a bunch of trolls". Like we're the monsters for calling out this poo poo
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 20:37 |
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Darwinism posted:Holy poo poo EM you have a lot of pages of 'narding I need attention.
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 20:38 |
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Doc Hawkins posted:You're a literature guy, so I guess you don't hear people compare computer programming to wizardry dozens of times a year on average? Here's the opening words of Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, one of the grandest oldest grand old books in the field, grog-thesis highlighted: Computer programming isn't wizardry. Rhetoric is wizardry. And that still didn't stop Antony from nailing Cicero's hands to the Senate door.
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 21:09 |
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From a swiftly-closed RPG.net thread:quote:My Personal 4E Epihpany
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 21:11 |
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That's exactly the kind of rule I'd love to see back. I shouldn't need to sort through a pile of cards with the specific ability to go into lawnmower mode on such characters and it shouldn't be limited to X number of times per encounter or per day or whatever. Just return to the tried and tested, "take Level number of attacks every round against 1HD or less creatures" and leave it at that. I'll come up with my own description on how my character goes about it. At the same time, let me get back extra attacks against higher level creatures too. For all I care, you could probably grant the Fighter Level number of attacks every round against everyone and it would work nicely aesthetically. I just don't want to go to that kind of roll fest with the d20 mechanic, so it needs to function differently.
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 21:14 |
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Rasamune posted:All a "new" game edition will do is further fracture the existing game base. We don't need that, what we need is a unification. Even if 5E doesn't suck, the hardcore 4E fans and the hardcore Pathfinder fans aren't going to embrace it when they have two games that give them what they want already.
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Guilty Spork posted:From a swiftly-closed RPG.net thread: Ah ha ha ha ha ha "Guys, I finally figured it out! I figured out why I don't like 4th edition! Ready? "Seriously, I don't wanna blow your minds or anything, so brace yourselves. Are you ready? "Here goes: "4E = WOW LOLOLOL NOT D&D BABBY'S FIRST RPG DESCENT VIDEO GAME HA$BRO"
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Rasamune posted:Ah ha ha ha ha ha I hope this troll lasts forever. There's just something so pure about it. I want to be in an old person silo, Power Rangers on Nick at Nite, and that douche Aiden from across the hall yells at me (because I can't hear) FOUREE IS FOR WOW BABBYS.
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 22:54 |
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OH poo poo THEY'RE ONTO US quote:Actually, having checked to see that this is in fact part of a troll thread shitstorm by the Something Awful dumbasses, I think TheFlatline is right. This is a troll thread.
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Rasamune posted:OH poo poo THEY'RE ONTO US Mikan posted:The common response to grognards.txt isn't "look at how awful all of these things are", it's "look at all those posters being intolerant of other opinions, what a bunch of trolls". Like we're the monsters for calling out this poo poo Hey Frank if you're reading this you are a bad game designer. Trolled.
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Rasamune posted:OH poo poo THEY'RE ONTO US Frank: Pointing out that you're a loving idiot who knows nothing about game design isn't trolling. It's a provable statement of fact.
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 23:04 |
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Yo Frank what's it like knowing that Greg Stolze is more famous than you even inside the tiny world of TTRPGs?
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 23:04 |
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quote:the Something Awful types can circle jerk each other some more.
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 23:05 |
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poo poo, I'm gonna get called out again, aren't I?
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 23:07 |
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Evil Mastermind from grognards.txt Come out and play. I'm "a loving idiot" to you? Come over to the gaming den. We will have a Magical Tea Party.
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 23:09 |
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Please tell me he actually said that.
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 23:14 |
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quote:While I like to see people insulting Frank and calling him stupid... those something awful guys there are so drat loving moronic and so clearly wrong... they just pick any quote and call it stupid and anger inducing... for no relevant reason, they don't need one, just you know, they hate Frank or something. Just to be clear, I am quoting this guy because he is apparently defending "to pattern match die you have to check every single die against every other die individually!" Frank doesn't get quoted for no reason, he gets quoted because he is a manchild who knows nothing of game design.
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 23:16 |
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Dr Pepper posted:Please tell me he actually said that. Oh, if only
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 23:17 |
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Those whole thread is so meta I can't tell who's quoting whom. I'm now so confused I'm starting to think that half the guys sperging here are actually closet grogs. Still, it's a good laff, innit?
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 23:18 |
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quote:Early fantasy roleplaying was built off fantasy fiction, which was in turn written back in the 20s and 30s and stuff when racism was socially acceptable and racialism was a thing that wouldn't get you shanked. Fantasy genetics were applied after the fact and gave us such fun and excitement as half-elves, half-orcs, half-dwarfs, dwelfs, half-dragons, half-demons, etc., and if you get into all the sub-races and poo poo you could be half-moon-elf or half-drow or half-svirfneblin. If, Ghost forbid, your ancestors were weird, there are even ways you could count as quarter-elf or half-half-orc and half-half-elf in some supplements. At the bottom of the genetic pile, representing the ultimate horrors of miscegenation, are the mongrelmen. quote:Yes, this happens, because in D&D, "Elf" is a country (the home village). You get to play as a guy from there. quote:this is just stupid.
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 23:19 |
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I like it when somebody on another forum thinks grognards.txt was something somebody concocted yesterday, specifically to troll them.
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 23:19 |
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How much more proof can I give that Trollman is a loving idiot? I've dissected his stupid-associated rules so many times.
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PSI-5 posted:Those whole thread is so meta I can't tell who's quoting whom. I'm now so confused I'm starting to think that half the guys sperging here are actually closet grogs. Boy, have I got some bad news for you
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 23:21 |
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Ettin posted:Just to be clear, I am quoting this guy because he is apparently defending "to pattern match die you have to check every single die against every other die individually!" Yes, it is we who are the idiots. You got us again TGD! You got us again.
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Ettin posted:Just to be clear, I am quoting this guy because he is apparently defending "to pattern match die you have to check every single die against every other die individually!" That guy wrote the word stupid so many times it's lost all meaning except in regards to Frank Trollman, who is stupid and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near game design
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 23:23 |
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Dr Nick posted:Yes, it is we who are the idiots. You got us again TGD! You got us again. I keep telling you guys they're the cooler TGD. gaming den for life, eat poo poo trad games discussion
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 23:23 |
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Halloween Jack posted:I like it when somebody on another forum thinks grognards.txt was something somebody concocted yesterday, specifically to troll them.
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 23:23 |
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poo poo, someone buy Frank an account so he can come in here and defend himself.
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Evil Mastermind posted:How much more proof can I give that Trollman is a loving idiot? I've dissected his stupid-associated rules so many times. You can't because he's not interested in discussing or learning about whatever RPG he's talking about. If he was when people corrected him he'd listen. No, he's interested in Being Right Because He's Frank Trollman. Dr Nick posted:poo poo, someone buy Frank an account so he can come in here and defend himself. All that would happen is that he'd get banned in a week and somebody would lose some money.
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# ? Mar 6, 2012 23:25 |
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quote:Wow, it's like we're being trolled into violating one of our few rules here. I'll resist tho and just set the ignore beam to stun. You know I feel kind of bad for making GBS threads on Kemper's thread since he's not a grognards.txt poster, but .
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