Red_Mage posted:

I played the intro of the first one, decided it wasn't for me and moved on. Interestingly enough you don't see many demons souls players raging at the people who play like, God of War, that their ARPG is dumbed down for babbies.

Drox posted:

Let us hope that rapenards don't poo poo up star wars by realizing they can mind trick people into sex.

chrisoya posted:

I read the comments on a monte cook article
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This is exactly right! This is part of the reason why no DMG has been able to stand up to the glory of Gary's version. Too much information on rule mechanics is given in the PHB! Let the players focus on their characters and give them some basic overviews on how the game works. Keep combat specifics, magic items, and skill related minutia in the DMG. This will help that book reclaim its usefulness, unlike the 4e DMG which can basically be read once and then kicked in the river. Restore the mystery!!!

Fury1671 posted:

No Frank, you can write a story about why it never changes.

Evil Mastermind posted:

The fact that Trollman, who wrote the Tome, which is nothing but his loving houserules for "fixing" D&D is bitching about houseruling 4e is bad. And his "proof" is the fact that Fighters would "obviously" bring bows even though they wouldn't be able to use them as effectively as getting up in the monster's face.

Evil Mastermind posted:

Plus the idea that to-hit bonuses and damage are "arbitrarium", unlike his lovely example which he's just making poo poo up that wouldn't happen if your GM had a loving brain cell and GRAAAAAHHHHHH I am too angry today to have to have read anything Trollman says.

Chaltab posted:

Am I then to understand that fighters were... useful in the older editions, and their utter ineptitude was a consequence of 3E's terrible design choices?

insanityv2 posted:

I don't any of us (except maybe lemoncurdistan >.>) feel that way though?

chrisoya posted:

I was just picturing one of Castle Ravenloft's towers slowly standing up like something out of Shadow of the Colossus, but a coffin centipede? Wow.

MadScientistWorking posted:

gently caress yeah. I found the ultimate grog source:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/features/9293-The-State-of-D-D-Present

RA Salvatore posted:

"4th edition [D&D] is more like a card game. It's a strategy game and there are a lot of things in there for the reason of class balancing, so from a mechanical standpoint, it's a fabulous game. From a roleplaying standpoint, by that I mean a writing standpoint, it's much harder."

Guilty Spork posted:

It seems that everyone in this article recognizes that 4E created a problem with its 4venger fanbase. Maybe if they own the fact that the 4E release advertising helped to bring this about, that particular problem can be solved.

Mors Rattus posted:

This might be because flight is loving powerful, you idiots.

WhitemageofDOOM posted:

It also makes combat really gently caress off boring, since it makes all combats into featureless flat planes.

Universal flight? gently caress that, i like terrain.

Evil Mastermind posted:

Fighters cannot get better because that's not what people want. People who play fighters actually literally want to play characters who are completely gimped.

Censeo Trollman esse delendam.

FoliatedFold posted:

The fellow DMing the Encounter game last night told the group how much better 3.5e was at developing role-playing characters that weren't combat based. He described a char that could not be in a party because he existed inside a 2 km-wide tornado. Another one was a Bard that never fought but talked his way out into and out of everything (until his tongue was cut out). The conversation wandered elsewhere shortly afterwards and I never got to ask him about how these chars worked in a campaign. Can anyone enlighten me?

Dire Wombat posted:

This isn't grog, but it's still stupid.

Halloween Jack posted:

I think it was more of a personality issue--he seems like the type of guy who would get really interested in a specific topic (like heraldry, deciduous trees, or variations of polearms) and write and write about it, then turn around and run a game that starts with "You're standing outside the dungeon. There is a peasant selling dungeon carts and war dogs."

Evil Mastermind posted:

Just when I think there can't be a dumber line in the sand to be drawn in terms of playstyle A vs. playstyle B arguments, people come around and amaze me again.

projecthalaxy posted:

It's weird that the flavor (and rules, but that's different) text on the Band Guard is so bad. I mean I read Frank's Tome, his big 3.5 book, and although most of the rules and ideas were odd, he could string an interesting sentence together at least.

Asimo posted:

But you don't understand, things are different now that there isn't tedious planes based entirely on the worthless alignment system, half of which are redundant and ignored anyway, or that there isn't 1930's era slang thrown throughout to sound exotic and deep.

_{Really, I like Planescape, but 2e was so the worst possible game the concept could have been done in, however tightly tied to then-D&D cosmology it was.}

Evil Mastermind posted:

FactsAreUseless posted:

And no matter what, sticking out like a sore thumb will get you teased, whether it be gender, ethnicity, or otherwise.

There's no girl problem.

Nothing needs to be fixed.

Davin Valkri posted:

Is Frank Trollman always this unsavory on the Gaming Den forum?

Even ignoring his "match dice the long way like a poorly-optimized computer program" and general old-fashionedness for no apparent reason, he just seems really mean. Calling a colleague an idiot and a monkey at the keyboard sounds like good grounds for suspension/review/firing.

Dr Pepper posted:

WHY IS BALANCE A CONTROVERSIAL WORD

Dr Nick posted:

But I am a 4e fanboy and if defending it against inaccurate statements makes me an apologist then WHELP!

Of course, I understand that I'm not a real role player and am just a wow baby min maxer who gets everything his way and never has to work for his fun.

chrisoya posted:

The illustrations will be near photo quality with life-like details.

Splicer posted:

..."because it's more fun" is literally his counterargument. This is his actual argument against a mechanic. Because the mechanic is more fun.

BrainParasite posted: