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redeyes posted:Windows 7 XP Compatibility mode does not need an actual XP license, it comes with one. Provided you bought Professional or higher, of course.
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Thanks for the responses and the advice. I guess my only legit path is to purchase the full, non-student version of professional. I'm really surprised that MS would set the bar so high for a Mac-owning student (there certainly seem to be a lot of us) to install Windows alongside OS X. All I really want is to run a few XP-era scientific programs, but since I'd have to interact with the Windows VM a fair amount I figured it would be nice to at least use a modern version of it. My school (Berkeley) is pretty lovely when it comes to volume licenses on software and offers nothing like what my undergrad institution (Wisconsin) had, to say nothing of the amount of tethered software I could use there through the engineering school. Without saying which of the legit or non-legit options I'll go with, I'll just say that I am disappointed at how this mind-numbing process has been.
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Mar 28, 2011 07:44
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marmot25 posted:Thanks for the responses and the advice. I guess my only legit path is to purchase the full, non-student version of professional. I'm really surprised that MS would set the bar so high for a Mac-owning student (there certainly seem to be a lot of us) to install Windows alongside OS X. All I really want is to run a few XP-era scientific programs, but since I'd have to interact with the Windows VM a fair amount I figured it would be nice to at least use a modern version of it. If you didn't want to pay extra, you shouldn't have bought a Mac to be frank. Get an OEM copy of Pro, it's like $120 for a full version.
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Mar 28, 2011 07:49
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fishmech posted:If you didn't want to pay extra, you shouldn't have bought a Mac to be frank. My point is that they're missing an opportunity to sell software to students who might like to run Windows as a second OS, but they've priced it far out of range and made the process far too confusing for the average person to figure out. I'd think that Microsoft would be interested in making it easy for students to (legally) run Windows in virtualized environments since they are buying Macbooks in droves. The mentality that one must construct and solve some 3D product matrix to figure which OS to buy and then offer no student discount reinforces my belief that Microsoft has no idea how to make things intuitive, to be frank. Buying an OEM version of Windows for my Macbook wouldn't give me a proper license, either.
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Mar 28, 2011 08:28
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marmot25 posted:My point is that they're missing an opportunity to sell software to students who might like to run Windows as a second OS, but they've priced it far out of range and made the process far too confusing for the average person to figure out. I'd think that Microsoft would be interested in making it easy for students to (legally) run Windows in virtualized environments since they are buying Macbooks in droves. The mentality that one must construct and solve some 3D product matrix to figure which OS to buy and then offer no student discount reinforces my belief that Microsoft has no idea how to make things intuitive, to be frank. I doubt there are that many people out there who can handle virtualization but can't handle installing Windows from an upgrade copy and care about the technicalities regarding upgrade licensing. If the past five years are any indication, Microsoft doesn't give a poo poo about people taking liberties with upgrade licenses.
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Mar 28, 2011 08:35
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marmot25 posted:My point is that they're missing an opportunity to sell software to students who might like to run Windows as a second OS, but they've priced it far out of range and made the process far too confusing for the average person to figure out. I'd think that Microsoft would be interested in making it easy for students to (legally) run Windows in virtualized environments since they are buying Macbooks in droves. The mentality that one must construct and solve some 3D product matrix to figure which OS to buy and then offer no student discount reinforces my belief that Microsoft has no idea how to make things intuitive, to be frank. Here's the thing: if you just bought anything BUT Apple you wouldn't need to make such a choice because you'd have Windows already. At most you might pay $20 or $40 to upgrade Home to Pro to get XP ModeI guess it sucks for you to understand that normally, Windows is within the price of a computer. And noone gives a rat's rear end about "proper" licenses. The buy OEM thing has been around since the 90s. Your choice was to spend more and not have Windows, and then also later spend more to get Windows, thems the breaks. fishmech fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Mar 28, 2011 |
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Edit: nm, looks like this isn't worth it. Thanks to those who answered my questions! marmot25 fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Mar 28, 2011 |
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Mar 28, 2011 08:48
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You can buy full versions of Windows 7 from the SAMart. I bought mine for $70, works fine in my Mac Pro. If all you're going to do is run a couple of old programs, though, then I would suggest XP for the lower overhead. I only updated to 7 to play more recent games.
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Mar 28, 2011 16:45
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fishmech posted:Here's the thing: if you just bought anything BUT Apple you wouldn't need to make such a choice because you'd have Windows already. At most you might pay $20 or $40 to upgrade Home to Pro to get XP ModeI guess it sucks for you to understand that normally, Windows is within the price of a computer. Just remember what it means to have an OEM license so you don't get hosed on that. If you change your hardware that triggers relicensing you are going to have to jump through hoops, if I recall correctly. Or, if this isn't a primary OS, you can just reinstall every 90 days, especially if this is for a VM or something.
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Mar 28, 2011 16:50
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It's easy as poo poo to re-activate your license. You get a phone number and a code and you call the number and tell the computer on the phone your code. The computer spits out another code that you enter into Windows. Takes 10 minutes but it's simple.
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Mar 28, 2011 16:52
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bassguitarhero posted:You can buy full versions of Windows 7 from the SAMart. I bought mine for $70, works fine in my Mac Pro. If all you're going to do is run a couple of old programs, though, then I would suggest XP for the lower overhead. I only updated to 7 to play more recent games. If you can afford the 10gb of space for the OS, then don't listen to this fella and absolutely go Win7. It'll be at least as fast as XP.
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GreenNight posted:It's easy as poo poo to re-activate your license. You get a phone number and a code and you call the number and tell the computer on the phone your code. The computer spits out another code that you enter into Windows. Takes 10 minutes but it's simple. Confirming that I have done this multiple times with OEM XP, Vista and 7. They really don't care, and 90% of the time you won't even talk to a human - an automated system will have you put in some numbers from the activation window and will then read back some more numbers to type into the activation window.
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Mar 28, 2011 18:19
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Usually you don't even have to type the numbers that the automated system gives you. As soon as it starts rattling off the numbers, you can hang up and try activating through the Internet again. I've never had it not work after reaching that point.
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Mar 28, 2011 18:42
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bassguitarhero posted:You can buy full versions of Windows 7 from the SAMart. I bought mine for $70, works fine in my Mac Pro. If all you're going to do is run a couple of old programs, though, then I would suggest XP for the lower overhead. I only updated to 7 to play more recent games. Not any more; the SA-mart mods cracked down on people selling MSDN keys, and MS shut down the Bizspark fake business party anyway. Buying shady keys is a bad idea anyway; you have no idea whether the seller's sold a bunch of copies that will be flagged and blacklisted. notwithoutmyanus posted:Just remember what it means to have an OEM license so you don't get hosed on that. If you change your hardware that triggers relicensing you are going to have to jump through hoops, if I recall correctly. There is no difference between OEM and retail reactivation triggers. And, as others have mentioned, the phone script if you have to call in is the same. The difference only exists in the text of the license.
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I just reinstalled Windows 7 and am having a lot of trouble getting the text to not look like a blurry mess. Turning ClearType off and turning off font smoothing led to text looking alright in Firefox, but awful in Windows Explorer and in some other places. I'm using my monitor's native resolution and don't remember having these problems the first time I ran Windows 7, so I'm wondering if there's something I'm overlooking. Any suggestions?
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Run the ClearType Tuner? (Start -> type "ClearType" -> should be first result)
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Mr. Trampoline posted:I just reinstalled Windows 7 and am having a lot of trouble getting the text to not look like a blurry mess. Turning ClearType off and turning off font smoothing led to text looking alright in Firefox, but awful in Windows Explorer and in some other places. I'm using my monitor's native resolution and don't remember having these problems the first time I ran Windows 7, so I'm wondering if there's something I'm overlooking. Sounds like your resolution is set wrong.
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Mar 29, 2011 03:18
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redeyes posted:Sounds like your resolution is set wrong. Nope, I'm running at my monitor's native resolution. I've tried turning ClearType on too, but none of the selections that they give me look good.
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Mar 29, 2011 04:05
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Mr. Trampoline posted:Nope, I'm running at my monitor's native resolution. I've tried turning ClearType on too, but none of the selections that they give me look good. I haven't seen Win7 look bad on any LCDs, so.. no clue.
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Mar 29, 2011 04:20
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I've seen things go funky when the magnification isn't set to 100%. Check on that? Control Panel >> Appearance and Personalization >> Display >> 100%.
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Mr. Trampoline Is your monitor connected via a VGA cable, that can fuzz up an image? What is your desktop resolution?
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My old monitor started to mess up text display until I changed the phase and pixel clock on it. I can't guarantee this is anything close to your problem but maybe working with those could help you out?
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I just installed Win7 on my new system, and I can't remember what the name of that goon-made tweak application is, and it doesn't look like it is in the OP. Anyone remember what it is called/who made it/where I can get it? Edit: \/\/\/ Cannot beat that turnaround time on a perfect response! Thanks! That is the one of which I speak! Essobie fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Apr 1, 2011 |
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Essobie posted:I just installed Win7 on my new system, and I can't remember what the name of that goon-made tweak application is, and it doesn't look like it is in the OP. Anyone remember what it is called/who made it/where I can get it? XdN Tweaker? ( http://xenomorph.net/ )
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Is a Antivirus needed nowadays? Most people I know use Microsoft security essentials, is that usually enough? We are upgrading from MBP's so its something we havent dealt with in years. Any recommendations would be great.
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Nask26 posted:Is a Antivirus needed nowadays? Most people I know use Microsoft security essentials, is that usually enough? We are upgrading from MBP's so its something we havent dealt with in years. Any recommendations would be great. Yes, but MSE is antivirus enough if you aren't basically trying to infect your PC.
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Nask26 posted:Is a Antivirus needed nowadays? Most people I know use Microsoft security essentials, is that usually enough? We are upgrading from MBP's so its something we havent dealt with in years. Any recommendations would be great. MSE IS Antivirus, and ant-mal/spyware. It's all I use on my systems anymore. Even in my computer-idiot in-law's household, they've been clean since day 1 with Win7 + MSE.
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Well MSE isn't the be all end up to viruses and spyware. Hell even malwarebytes doesn't fix everything. I had to send my mom combofix to remove the poo poo she had on her PC.
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GreenNight posted:Well MSE isn't the be all end up to viruses and spyware. Hell even malwarebytes doesn't fix everything. I had to send my mom combofix to remove the poo poo she had on her PC. Nothing will stop/fix everything, but MSE + Win7 and UAC stops most nasties in their tracks. Fortunately, my in-law's don't deal with porn, so that takes a huge attack vector out of the picture (not saying your mom is into porn, unless she is, which is fine). Otherwise, I've got them well-trained on the "If anything looks suspicious call me so I can remote in and look at it" method, which has stopped anything else that has tried to sneak through.
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GreenNight posted:Well MSE isn't the be all end up to viruses and spyware. Hell even malwarebytes doesn't fix everything. I had to send my mom combofix to remove the poo poo she had on her PC. MSE is among the best at protection and is unobtrusive and lightweight for everyone except Xenomorph who always downloads MSE: Suck Edition.
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No, I agree. I was just disagreeing with anyone who says that it is the holy grail. It's the best AV out, but like anything else, it's not perfect.
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The $30 Windows 7 Professional deal for Students is back. http://www.microsoft.com/student/en/us/software/windows/default.aspx Upgrade Edition as before, and as before you can clean install from an upgrade version. I think the instructions for doing so are still in the OP.
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$40 for Canadians  If you order the 32-bit AND 64-bit versions, do you get two distinct licenses? $80 for two Win7 Pro licenses would be pretty awesome.
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maltesh posted:The $30 Windows 7 Professional deal for Students is back. $30? I'm tempted just so I can backup my netbook over LAN... -- Separate question: If you have a full or upgrade key to Win 7 Ultimate, can you enter it as an Anytime Upgrade key in Home Premium? If so, that would save me the hassle of burning an ISO.
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Factory Factory posted:$30? I'm tempted just so I can backup my netbook over LAN... You can definitely perform an in-place upgrade from anywhere your live OS can access, you don't have to burn a disc for it or even setup a virtual optical drive; you can literally extract the ISO to "C:\Users\JimBob\Desktop\Windows 7 Installation" and run setup.exe in there and it'll work. I don't specifically know if it'll work with the Anytime Upgrade function, but if you find out let me know.
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univbee posted:$40 for Canadians A single key gives you access to 32 bit and 64 bit (one at a time). If you want to use 64 bit and 32 bit at the same time on 2 computers you (technically) are supposed to have 2 licenses.
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So if I order both 32 bit an 64 bit keys can I use the 32 bit to upgrade my 64 bit install? I have two 64 bit laptops I would like to upgrade I'm just checking that it's possible.
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Nask26 posted:So if I order both 32 bit an 64 bit keys can I use the 32 bit to upgrade my 64 bit install? I have two 64 bit laptops I would like to upgrade I'm just checking that it's possible. Well there aren't seperate 32 bit and 64 bit keys. If you mean, could you buy a 32 bit copy of windows and a 64 bit copy of Windows and use each key to upgrade two computers to a newer 64 bit version of Windows? Yes you can do that, but there's not much reason why you'd want to buy media for both 32 bit and 64 bit then.
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Thermopyle posted:Nothing is. Adding to this, most people tend to forget to run Microsoft's Malicious Software Removal Tool in full mode to clear infections as well. If you know there's an infection on the machine that MSE isn't detecting, going to a command prompt and typing in MRT and running a full scan instead of the quick scan that it does when it updates can sometimes resolve the problem too. MSE purpose is to prevent it from happening, but MRT is meant to remove it if it's already running. But yes, as others said, there is no foolproof way to clean, just like there is no way to prevent an infection even if you play it 100% safe.
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fishmech posted:Well there aren't seperate 32 bit and 64 bit keys. If you mean, could you buy a 32 bit copy of windows and a 64 bit copy of Windows and use each key to upgrade two computers to a newer 64 bit version of Windows? Yes you can do that, but there's not much reason why you'd want to buy media for both 32 bit and 64 bit then.
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