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GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

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Hey guys hope this is the right thread to ask.

I got a new PC last Summer which after 6 months hasn't exploded, so my dad wants to have my old PC. The latter started with Windows 8 and got the free Upgrade to Windows 10. I wanted to absolutely wipe it clean, since I have backuped every file I wish to keep to the new one and an external drive, I have too much crap installed on it and I'd prefer to make sure it runs better than now.

Is the Reset my PC option from the settings valid for that? I don't want to end up accidentally going back to Windows 8 or not being able to reinstall Windows because of a license problem/internet stuff. Should I try to get an installation image in an USB beforehand just in case?

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GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

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Tesseraction posted:

The Windows 10 reset my PC just puts a fresh version of Windows 10, it cannot possibly downgrade. It will keep the current Windows key.

Perfect! Will do it tomorrow then, gotta hope it won't take 48 hours to do so, the PC was pretty slow last time :sweatdrop: and the Windows Updates since I haven't turned it on since July.

GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

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Computer viking posted:

On anything vaguely modern and OEM, sure - but on a Vista era desktop that for all we know could be home built, it seemed wise to not trust that to work. :)

It's a Windows 8 era prebuilt PC actually. And tbf any problems with the license would be my dad's problem, I just wanna delete all my poo poo from the face of the earth :v: Same with any upgrades, my new PC already has an SSD and it goes smooth like silk. I should absolutely check the key before formatting, true.

Computer viking posted:

You could also make a windows 10 boot stick and install a fresh OS, using the windows 8 key when it asks - that may be faster than doing anything from inside the current OS?

That would be an option as well. I think it's slow besides age because I had very bad practices, installed lots of stuff.

GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

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It's okay! In the end it went without a hitch besides taking 5 hours to wipe all data clean. And 2 hours to set it up due to all the Microsoft bullshit like having to use an email account at first before you can make local users and disabling all privacy opt-ins. Thanks a lot!

GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

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Probably the dumbest question, but is there a way to run installers in Windows 10 without running as admin if I'm not planning on installing in a protected folder like Program Files? Wanted to install ProcessLasso to fine-tune a CPU issue, but I'd prefer not to give admin rights in my PC if not needed (yes I know I'm being overly paranoid and ProcessLasso actually has a recognized certificate unlike 90% of stuff, but I had an issue last PC that gave me crippling hindsight on how lax I was on security).

GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

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Yeah, as mentioned I've gotten really paranoid. I should just install and use it if I want to, but wanted to check just in case. As the website mentions the portable version still touches the registry so...

~Coxy posted:

I don't have Process Lasso, but Process Explorer can set Priority and Affinity on user processes without elevating, so it ought to be possible.

Well, specifically I wanted to disable use of E-Cores for a game to check if it fixes the stutter it has. Specifically it's "Windows dynamic thread priority boost" or whatever. Does Process Explorer have some option like that? Cause a Windows app would give me less paranoia.

GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

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Serotoning posted:

Some motherboards/BIOSes offer a compatibility mode which will park the E cores temporarily. ASRock's for example is called Legacy Game Compatibility Mode and uses the Scroll Lock to park/un-park the E cores in real-time.

Oh, just checked out my BIOS settings (motherboard is an ASUS TUF GAMING Z960-PLUS) and there's an option like that! Could try that out cause being a toggle on the least used key ever seems convenient, thanks for the tip!

GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

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Okay, Legacy Gaming mode is not the solution, turning that on makes the game even more laggy and massively increases loading times. I guess it's only meant for DRM issues that think e-cores are from another computer.

Guess I'll try Process Explorer next and if not then I'll relent and install Process Lasso then.

GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

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teethgrinder posted:

So what's the game?

STRANGER OF PARADISE: Final Fantasy Origins. Seems to be a Koei Temco/Team Ninja PC port in general, I remember trying the demo for Wo Long and having the same issue.

Also tried Process Explorer and locking out CPUs caused variable performance issues. The biggest issue was it did not label de CPU cores so while I could assume the E-cores were the last 4 (since I know each P-core counts as 2 CPUs) turning them off just made things run worse.

GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

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jesus loving christ i'm an idiot. turns out some time ago i lent an USB to my sister and she uses Mac, so when it came back it had a bunch of the files it generates when plugged into a Mac. Since it had no other stuff I wanted to format it... but, because my PC recognizes the device as D: and my brain had a fart so I formatted instead my E: hard drive and didn't realize until now when I wanted to look up a file.

Is there an easy way to try and recover the files without dropping money on a good and not-malware recovery app? The drive was not used since I formatted it, because it was mostly old stuff from my old PC that I barely used + extra things and maybe some Steam games (with cloud), so it shouldn't have been overwritten. And in any case I do have a backup in an external drive so that's an option, it's just a bit old so I might lose some more recent files.

EDIT: Okay, the bad news is the backup is a bit old. The good news is the drive is bigger than my hard drive so I could use it as a destination. Would Windows File Recovery work for this?

GiantRockFromSpace fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Jun 24, 2024

GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

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Klyith posted:

When you say E: hard drive, do you mean spinny hard drive and not SSD? That's good. Your data may be recoverable.

OTOH if this was actually a SSD then you should forget about recovery and move on with your life. Since it's been a while since you formatted, the SSD will have been trimmed and is now well gone.

Yeah, it was the secondary Hard Drive, I have a 1TB SSD with the SO and programs installed, while the 3 TB HDD I mostly planned it for storing large stuff and such, but didn't use it that much. Which is why I never noticed I wiped it till now.

Klyith posted:

Windows File Recovery can recover from a formatted drive, you need to use the /extensive option.

You will need a destination drive to recover to that is fairly big -- much larger than the amount of data that you had on the drive before you formatted it. The couple times I've used WFR*, it frequently finds the same file more than once. And if you're trying to recover a whole drive you don't want to sit there answering y/n thousands of times.

So you probably want to use /o:b and let WFR recover everything it can find, then sort it out later.

You'll want to use your backup as the main recovery source, and look for things that are newer than or don't exist on the backup. Then actually look at the recovered file, if it's something like a document video etc that's easy to view, to see that it's intact. Some of them will be corrupt, particularly when WFR finds multiple duplicates of a file.



*though I've never used WFR on a formatted drive like this, so I don't know if that changes things

My external hard drive with the backup is even bigger than the internal drive so it shouldn't be much of a problem, right? Also despite the sizes the backup is about 100 GB so it wasn't that much stuff. thanks for the warning on /o:b, I'll dump it all on the external drive in a different folder and then sort all the stuff out. My actual worry is how long it will take to check the drive.

Edit: okay i am not liking this, it seems it gets stuck at scanning the disk, it's been a while at 00% and not increasing and now I'm afraid about killing the preocess

Edit 2: Now that I remember if all else fails there's a PC fixing site that offers data recovery on my street lol, if it's not too expensive I could ask them since it's real close.

GiantRockFromSpace fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Jun 24, 2024

GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

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Klyith posted:

If this is a 3TB drive and your E: was using the whole thing, this is gonna take a long time. It has to read every bit of the drive before it even starts to reconstitute it.

Killing the process is safe, just control-c on the command prompt window.

I don't believe it was using the whole thing. As mentioned the backup was 100GB, at most it might have had like, 2GB more in games? that are not in the backup, and the fact it had so much free space is why I confused it with the USB.

If anyone does know of a free recovery tool that's at least reliable and at worst adware I'd appreciate that, otherwise I guess I'll give it a try again with WFR and if not I could ask for a budget at the PC shop. I think I also did a quick format cause again, I was confusing it with the USB drive, that would help with recovery, right?

GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

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Yeah a single partition. I guess I'll either ask at the shop, or just accept I lost stuff. I guess the fact I never noticed till now shows that I probably didn't have anything important that's not on the backup (which was basically my whole old PC)... wait poo poo, now I realize I did lose some game stuff unrelated to Steam cause an icon went blank on the taskbar, gently caress.

Edit: The shop did give me for free the reminder that I can take out the hard drive and bring it to them duh, and a diagnosis is free there. Only issue is the hard drive slots are under a protective carcass that I'd have to unscres, but I guess I could clean dust on the way? Given the HDD is empty and not under any use I guess I could take it out temporally and still use the PC.

GiantRockFromSpace fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Jun 24, 2024

GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

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In the end I'll probably try first to see if WFR can find something, there shouldn't be anything using it since there were no files on it meaning it was never written so there's a chance. Big issue is having to leave the PC turned on for a long time since it's in my room and I have trouble sleeping with noises.

...that said, because the recovery is happening in the hard drive, I can use programs from the SSD that don't touch the HDD without hampering the process, right? Like it's barely using CPU time and RAM wise it's only 800MB. I know it'd be better to just leave it working alone but it's mostly so I can do stuff and then leave it overnight. I also hope I'm not forcing the external drive much by making it the recovery destination.

But the big thing after all: I should put alarms to do at the very least monthly or even weekly incremental backups of stuff not in the cloud fool, you fool.

GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

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News update: The bright side is, after hours of scanning in extended mode, it apparently is able to recover files!

The dark side: it's around 210k files.:shepicide: Might have to leave it overnight. If I disable sleep mode there should be no problem since I put it on auto do-not overwrite? Or can I even let sleep mode enabled cause the CMD exe will force it awake until it finishes?

Also I'm seeing now where the nasty side is (it's organizing based on filetype) but at the very least I can just use the backup as a guideline and recover whatever I notice is missing.

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GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

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Klyith posted:

I would not assume that the program will stop the PC from sleeping, so you should disable that.

It took me twice to get really serious about backups, so if you learn from this you're ahead of me!

As it turns out, it went faster than I thought. The end result is around 70GB divided by filetypes. From what I can gather, anything that was a "group of files in a directory" was put inside a .zip. No names so I'd have to explore them individualy, but from what I've looked into they are the bunk of files I wished to recover so I guess Happy ending!

the sad thing is, despite what my posts might have indicated, i'm a compsci guy. this is my job. making a backup plan should have been in the menu. i cry every time i hear a family member is buying an appliance with wi-fi.

The funny thing meanwhile is opening the png folder and getting jumpscared by videogame textures and icons :v:

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