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ahobday
Apr 19, 2007

Does anyone have any recommendations for books about a person who takes over as the ruler of a place, and does a good job? I don't really mind if it's historical, fantasy, science fiction, or any other genre, but I'd prefer it be a fictional story.

"Place" could be a country, a city, a space station, an army, whatever. But I think it'll be satisfying to read about someone getting something into good working order, along with any political savviness they have to use to make it happen.

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Teach
Mar 28, 2008


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ahobday posted:

Does anyone have any recommendations for books about a person who takes over as the ruler of a place, and does a good job? I don't really mind if it's historical, fantasy, science fiction, or any other genre, but I'd prefer it be a fictional story.


You could try Wolf Hall by Mantel, if you like historical fiction. Very good, and well regarded, and all about Thomas Cromwell (not Oliver) - Henry VIII's chief minister. (If you want his time in charge to be a success, leave it at that book - it ends badly for him in the end. As it did with many people in Henry's orbit.)

Re. Dick-chat. Seconding the suggestion of the short stories. They're great.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

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If you're ok with comics, Miracleman gets into some interesting ideas about that when Gaiman takes over

Mano
Jul 11, 2012

ahobday posted:

Does anyone have any recommendations for books about a person who takes over as the ruler of a place, and does a good job? I don't really mind if it's historical, fantasy, science fiction, or any other genre, but I'd prefer it be a fictional story.

"Place" could be a country, a city, a space station, an army, whatever. But I think it'll be satisfying to read about someone getting something into good working order, along with any political savviness they have to use to make it happen.

Vetinari in Ankh-Morpork

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Mano posted:

Vetinari in Ankh-Morpork

Uh-huh.

WHY BONER NOW
Mar 6, 2016

Pillbug

ahobday posted:

Does anyone have any recommendations for books about a person who takes over as the ruler of a place, and does a good job? I don't really mind if it's historical, fantasy, science fiction, or any other genre, but I'd prefer it be a fictional story.

"Place" could be a country, a city, a space station, an army, whatever. But I think it'll be satisfying to read about someone getting something into good working order, along with any political savviness they have to use to make it happen.

Maybe the Bobiverse books? Been a while since I read the first one but from what I recall it might be along the lines of what you're thinking.

Man I ought to get around to books 2 and 3, I remember liking the first one but I never followed up

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

WHY BONER NOW posted:

Maybe the Bobiverse books? Been a while since I read the first one but from what I recall it might be along the lines of what you're thinking.

Man I ought to get around to books 2 and 3, I remember liking the first one but I never followed up

It's up to book 4 & book 5 is being worked on.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

ahobday posted:

Does anyone have any recommendations for books about a person who takes over as the ruler of a place, and does a good job? I don't really mind if it's historical, fantasy, science fiction, or any other genre, but I'd prefer it be a fictional story.

"Place" could be a country, a city, a space station, an army, whatever. But I think it'll be satisfying to read about someone getting something into good working order, along with any political savviness they have to use to make it happen.

Holly Black's Elfhame books have some of this element, although it's not the main focus.

Something Else
Dec 27, 2004

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ahobday posted:

Does anyone have any recommendations for books about a person who takes over as the ruler of a place, and does a good job? I don't really mind if it's historical, fantasy, science fiction, or any other genre, but I'd prefer it be a fictional story.

"Place" could be a country, a city, a space station, an army, whatever. But I think it'll be satisfying to read about someone getting something into good working order, along with any political savviness they have to use to make it happen.

KJ Parker’s “Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City” series are pretty much this, though they only really do a good job by the skin of their teeth

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."

ahobday posted:

Does anyone have any recommendations for books about a person who takes over as the ruler of a place, and does a good job? I don't really mind if it's historical, fantasy, science fiction, or any other genre, but I'd prefer it be a fictional story.

"Place" could be a country, a city, a space station, an army, whatever. But I think it'll be satisfying to read about someone getting something into good working order, along with any political savviness they have to use to make it happen.

The Goblin Emperor?

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
Is there a book where the writer gives thoughts and analyses on every piece Beethoven/Mozart/Bach composed? It's great that I know of such books for the Beatles and David Bowie, to enliven my listening experience.

WHY BONER NOW
Mar 6, 2016

Pillbug

Trainee PornStar posted:

It's up to book 4 & book 5 is being worked on.

drat no poo poo? I thought it was a set trilogy...tbh hearing that it's ongoing makes it a little less appealing to me :/

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

WHY BONER NOW posted:

drat no poo poo? I thought it was a set trilogy...tbh hearing that it's ongoing makes it a little less appealing to me :/

If you enjoyed the 1st book you'll probably enjoy the rest of them, it's kinda more of the same but with some new stuff to keep it interesting.

I enjoyed them.

Upsidads
Jan 11, 2007
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates


For the takes over a place and rules
It's a isekai novel my Manga Twain

A Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's Court

sbaldrick
Jul 19, 2006
Driven by Hate
So I’m really tired of the grim dark, rapey turn fantasy has taken recently (GRRM, Abercrombie, the Malazan books, I’m currently reading the most recent Kagen book and if he talks about rape in the creepy way he has again I’m going to throw my phone across the room).

What are some good less creepy fantasy novels, assuming I’ve read most of the major stuff.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

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sbaldrick posted:

So I’m really tired of the grim dark, rapey turn fantasy has taken recently (GRRM, Abercrombie, the Malazan books, I’m currently reading the most recent Kagen book and if he talks about rape in the creepy way he has again I’m going to throw my phone across the room).

What are some good less creepy fantasy novels, assuming I’ve read most of the major stuff.

OK I'm sure people are tired of me recommending manga

but

If you want a really good fantasy story with a richly detailed world and well-developed characters of a variety of races and genders and a compelling plot and fun action that isn't grimdark and has zero rape, I can not recommend Delicious in Dungeon enough.

Upsidads
Jan 11, 2007
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates


Gripweed posted:

OK I'm sure people are tired of me recommending manga

but

If you want a really good fantasy story with a richly detailed world and well-developed characters of a variety of races and genders and a compelling plot and fun action that isn't grimdark and has zero rape, I can not recommend Delicious in Dungeon enough.

Seconded

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



op ignore the weebs and go pick yaself up a copy of wheel of time book 1

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

YOU HAVE MY POST!

sbaldrick posted:

So I’m really tired of the grim dark, rapey turn fantasy has taken recently (GRRM, Abercrombie, the Malazan books, I’m currently reading the most recent Kagen book and if he talks about rape in the creepy way he has again I’m going to throw my phone across the room).

What are some good less creepy fantasy novels, assuming I’ve read most of the major stuff.

Have you heard the gospel of Bridge of Birds?

I like the 5 Gods series Lois McMaster Bujold, starting with The Curse of Chalion. She's also got The Sharing Knife quartet, which is a different vibe but has some great worldbuilding underpinning a romantic storyline.

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
It's never a bad day to start The Night-Bird's Feather.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

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Kvlt! posted:

op ignore the weebs and go pick yaself up a copy of wheel of time book 1

Does your book series feature a reasonable explanation for animate suits of armor as living biological animals?

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Gripweed posted:

Does your book series feature a reasonable explanation for animate suits of armor as living biological animals?

No it does not and thats a good thing

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





sbaldrick posted:

So I’m really tired of the grim dark, rapey turn fantasy has taken recently (GRRM, Abercrombie, the Malazan books, I’m currently reading the most recent Kagen book and if he talks about rape in the creepy way he has again I’m going to throw my phone across the room).

What are some good less creepy fantasy novels, assuming I’ve read most of the major stuff.

The Goblin Emperor, Mage Errant, Piranesi, and Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell are all good and not at all rapey.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

sbaldrick posted:

So I’m really tired of the grim dark, rapey turn fantasy has taken recently (GRRM, Abercrombie, the Malazan books, I’m currently reading the most recent Kagen book and if he talks about rape in the creepy way he has again I’m going to throw my phone across the room).

What are some good less creepy fantasy novels, assuming I’ve read most of the major stuff.

Michael Bishop's Brittle Innings about Frankenstein's Monster playing Minor League baseball in the post-war south.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

wheatpuppy posted:

Have you heard the gospel of Bridge of Birds?

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

ahobday posted:

Does anyone have any recommendations for books about a person who takes over as the ruler of a place, and does a good job? I don't really mind if it's historical, fantasy, science fiction, or any other genre, but I'd prefer it be a fictional story.

"Place" could be a country, a city, a space station, an army, whatever. But I think it'll be satisfying to read about someone getting something into good working order, along with any political savviness they have to use to make it happen.

Hadrian the Seventh is a good novel about a failson author stand in becoming the pope.

rollick
Mar 20, 2009
Augustus by John Williams is an epistolary historical novel from 1973 about the first Roman Emperor. The title character doesn't appear too much directly -- instead you hear the story of his life mainly through reports from his friends and rivals.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

ahobday posted:

Does anyone have any recommendations for books about a person who takes over as the ruler of a place, and does a good job? I don't really mind if it's historical, fantasy, science fiction, or any other genre, but I'd prefer it be a fictional story.

"Place" could be a country, a city, a space station, an army, whatever. But I think it'll be satisfying to read about someone getting something into good working order, along with any political savviness they have to use to make it happen.

Lyndon B. Johnson biographical series, The Years of Lyndon Johnson by Robert Caro, is occasionally great for this because as terrible as LBJ often was, his entire method of politics got poo poo done. There's genuinely thrilling moments of good governance in there.

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
I'm curious to read anything on the art of translation, with considerate thoughts about the differences between languages. My translator relative recommended I look at her copy of the Translation Studies Reader.

Also, any fun one volume histories of movies and/or television?

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Burning Rain
Jul 17, 2006

What's happening?!?!

FPyat posted:

I'm curious to read anything on the art of translation, with considerate thoughts about the differences between languages. My translator relative recommended I look at her copy of the Translation Studies Reader.

I enjoyed David Bellos' Is That a Fish in Your Ear? Translation and the Meaning of Everything. He's one of the most highly regarded French to English translator who's done Georges Perec among others - which includes re-translations of Ismail Kadare's work from the French translation (in collaboration with the author), so the book has a lot of reflections on that as well.

Burning Rain fucked around with this message at 09:56 on May 4, 2023

BioTech
Feb 5, 2007
...drinking myself to sleep again...


FPyat posted:

I'm curious to read anything on the art of translation, with considerate thoughts about the differences between languages. My translator relative recommended I look at her copy of the Translation Studies Reader.

Through the Language Glass by Guy Deutscher is a fun read, it raises a variety of topics and might help you find which ones interest you.

Bandiet
Dec 31, 2015

FPyat posted:

I'm curious to read anything on the art of translation, with considerate thoughts about the differences between languages. My translator relative recommended I look at her copy of the Translation Studies Reader.

There’s a cool essay collection called On Translation, ed. Reuben A. Brower. It has short-ish contributions from a wide variety of mid-century translators explaining their general approach to translation as well as special problems in the specific language they work with. Including Nabokov, Lattimore, the Muirs, Achilles Fang, and others.

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Aug 18, 2006
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FPyat posted:

I'm curious to read anything on the art of translation, with considerate thoughts about the differences between languages. My translator relative recommended I look at her copy of the Translation Studies Reader.


I feel like I recommend this every 10 pages or so but it's super worth it. Le Ton Beau de Marot by Douglas Hofstadter. It's not a technical study about translation, it's more philosophical and romantic (if that's the right term) in nature.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

sbaldrick posted:

So I’m really tired of the grim dark, rapey turn fantasy has taken recently (GRRM, Abercrombie, the Malazan books, I’m currently reading the most recent Kagen book and if he talks about rape in the creepy way he has again I’m going to throw my phone across the room).

What are some good less creepy fantasy novels, assuming I’ve read most of the major stuff.

Grace of Kings and the rest of the Dandelion Dynasty series (4) is what all other fantasy should aspire to imo

PsychedelicWarlord
Sep 8, 2016


ahobday posted:

Does anyone have any recommendations for books about a person who takes over as the ruler of a place, and does a good job? I don't really mind if it's historical, fantasy, science fiction, or any other genre, but I'd prefer it be a fictional story.

"Place" could be a country, a city, a space station, an army, whatever. But I think it'll be satisfying to read about someone getting something into good working order, along with any political savviness they have to use to make it happen.

Matrix by Lauren Groff for the nun version of this

Kenning
Jan 11, 2009

I really want to post goatse. Instead I only have these🍄.



I'm looking for fiction that is set in a particular time and place, that gives a good feel for that time and place, where the action and narrative voice is tied to that time and place. Examples of this that I've enjoyed include The Good Earth by Pearl S. Buck, Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe, and Kidnapped by Robert Lewis Stevenson. I'd love to find more things situated in China, or even something out there like ancient Sumeria or something, but really any time and place is of interest. I prefer non-aristocratic characters as a rule, since I find regular people more interesting and relatable.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Kenning posted:

I'm looking for fiction that is set in a particular time and place, that gives a good feel for that time and place, where the action and narrative voice is tied to that time and place.

This may not be precisely on point, but I've found that reading the Nero Wolfe books *in order of publication*, because each is set very precisely in Manhattan in the year of publication, and because there are about forty of them, give a *really* interesting picture of the growth and change of Manhattan, and by extension America generally, over time from the 30's to the 70's. The Travis McGee books by John D. McDonald provide a similar effect for coastal florida in the 60s, 70;s, and 80;s.

Bandiet
Dec 31, 2015

Kenning posted:

I'm looking for fiction that is set in a particular time and place, that gives a good feel for that time and place, where the action and narrative voice is tied to that time and place. Examples of this that I've enjoyed include The Good Earth by Pearl S. Buck, Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe, and Kidnapped by Robert Lewis Stevenson. I'd love to find more things situated in China, or even something out there like ancient Sumeria or something, but really any time and place is of interest. I prefer non-aristocratic characters as a rule, since I find regular people more interesting and relatable.

Are you interested in Dublin, 16 June 1904 … ??

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

Kenning posted:

I'm looking for fiction that is set in a particular time and place, that gives a good feel for that time and place, where the action and narrative voice is tied to that time and place. Examples of this that I've enjoyed include The Good Earth by Pearl S. Buck, Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe, and Kidnapped by Robert Lewis Stevenson. I'd love to find more things situated in China, or even something out there like ancient Sumeria or something, but really any time and place is of interest. I prefer non-aristocratic characters as a rule, since I find regular people more interesting and relatable.
At the risk of being obvious, I'd say The Egyptian.

e: Ooh, Baudolino might be a great pick for this, being about medieval mystification from medieval point of view.
e2: Actually, The Name of the Rose fits as well.

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StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

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Kenning posted:

I'm looking for fiction that is set in a particular time and place, that gives a good feel for that time and place, where the action and narrative voice is tied to that time and place. Examples of this that I've enjoyed include The Good Earth by Pearl S. Buck, Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe, and Kidnapped by Robert Lewis Stevenson. I'd love to find more things situated in China, or even something out there like ancient Sumeria or something, but really any time and place is of interest. I prefer non-aristocratic characters as a rule, since I find regular people more interesting and relatable.

The Far Pavilions by MM Kaye, perhaps?

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