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fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

coolusername posted:

Does anyone have recs for fantasy or sci-fi books in the flavour of “two bitter enemies grow to like each other very reluctantly” where there’s a lot of tension for a solid chunk of the book and it doesn’t resolve very quickly? This Is How You Lose the Time War, Shards of Honor or The Locked Tomb trilogy for examples, tho it doesn’t have to end explicitly romantically.

It’s just a lot of books I’ve found advertised in that niche so far have jumped right into the “I hate them… but their abs are so tight!” by page 10 or the enemy bit is just overinflated sports rivalries, where I’m looking more for page 100 stabbings.

Just remembered that Tim Powers does this a lot as well

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Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

I've got one or two spare credits on Audible, so I was looking for a good sci-fi audiobook or two. Feeling something a little pulpy, I've been listening to most of the Star Wars High Republic audiobooks, so maybe even a standout standalone Starred War. Hell, I've finally been getting into Star Trek a bit with DS9, so maybe some of that flavor too.

tuyop
Sep 14, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Waffleman_ posted:

I've got one or two spare credits on Audible, so I was looking for a good sci-fi audiobook or two. Feeling something a little pulpy, I've been listening to most of the Star Wars High Republic audiobooks, so maybe even a standout standalone Starred War. Hell, I've finally been getting into Star Trek a bit with DS9, so maybe some of that flavor too.

Monday Starts on Saturday by the Strugatsky brothers is like DS9 if the station was a governmental department of wizards in a near future socialist country. The first forty pages are a bit tricky as the magical realism kicks off but it becomes an episodic romp through contradictions in magic and technology that’s essentially Star Trek. The audiobook has an outstanding performance of the different wizards, particularly a like, continental philosopher scoundrel wizard.

Gideon the Ninth is also a pulpy breeze and a great time. The audiobook is excellent and the narrator nails Gideon’s tone without sounding overly obnoxious.

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
Looking for books like The Book of the New Sun or the movie The Green Knight, where myth and dream are part and parcel of existence. Not surrealism or magical realism exactly, and while I like House of Leaves a lot it's not the right flavor. Piranesi is closer to the vibe.

Related question, is Ouroboros in that vein? Or A Maggot by John Fowles?

Maigius
Jun 29, 2013


I'm looking for a not modern day thriller. Could be sci-fi, fantasy, or historical (say end of the Vietnam War at the latest), but with a more cerebral hero. Three Miles Down by Harry Turtledove sort of fit what I'm looking for.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

regulargonzalez posted:

Looking for books like The Book of the New Sun or the movie The Green Knight, where myth and dream are part and parcel of existence. Not surrealism or magical realism exactly, and while I like House of Leaves a lot it's not the right flavor. Piranesi is closer to the vibe.

Related question, is Ouroboros in that vein? Or A Maggot by John Fowles?

Mythago Wood might be what you're looking for.

yaffle
Sep 15, 2002

Flapdoodle

Selachian posted:

Mythago Wood might be what you're looking for.

Seconding Mythago Wood, it's a great book, the sequels less so.

Kuule hain nussivan
Nov 27, 2008

Thirding Mythago Wood. A very unique book.

Tea Bone
Feb 18, 2011

I'm going for gasps.
I asked something similar a year or so ago but don't think I got any responses so trying again.

I'm looking for books about late 19th/early 20th century innovation.
If it's about World's Fairs that's a bonus.

One already read Devil in the White City, Bill Bryson's One Summer: America 1927 and At Home.

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
Empires of Light by Jill Jonnes (Also maybe consider her other books, which I haven't read)

The Path Between the Seas and The Great Bridge by David McCullough

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Tea Bone posted:

I asked something similar a year or so ago but don't think I got any responses so trying again.

I'm looking for books about late 19th/early 20th century innovation.
If it's about World's Fairs that's a bonus.

One already read Devil in the White City, Bill Bryson's One Summer: America 1927 and At Home.

It's only a B- read, but Erik Larson's Thunderstruck is also in this wheelhouse.

Rand Brittain
Mar 24, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."

regulargonzalez posted:

Looking for books like The Book of the New Sun or the movie The Green Knight, where myth and dream are part and parcel of existence. Not surrealism or magical realism exactly, and while I like House of Leaves a lot it's not the right flavor. Piranesi is closer to the vibe.

Related question, is Ouroboros in that vein? Or A Maggot by John Fowles?

This is exactly the kind of person who should read The Night-Bird's Feather.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

regulargonzalez posted:

Looking for books like The Book of the New Sun or the movie The Green Knight, where myth and dream are part and parcel of existence. Not surrealism or magical realism exactly, and while I like House of Leaves a lot it's not the right flavor. Piranesi is closer to the vibe.

Related question, is Ouroboros in that vein? Or A Maggot by John Fowles?
Maybe Little, Big by John Crowley?

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

tuyop posted:

Monday Starts on Saturday by the Strugatsky brothers is like DS9 if the station was a governmental department of wizards in a near future socialist country. The first forty pages are a bit tricky as the magical realism kicks off but it becomes an episodic romp through contradictions in magic and technology that’s essentially Star Trek. The audiobook has an outstanding performance of the different wizards, particularly a like, continental philosopher scoundrel wizard.

Gideon the Ninth is also a pulpy breeze and a great time. The audiobook is excellent and the narrator nails Gideon’s tone without sounding overly obnoxious.

Turns out Gideon is just free with Audible Plus, so I can check that one out in the about month or so I've got left in my 3 month 99 cent each promo. Which version of Monday Starts on Saturday do you rec, the one with Ramiz Monsef or Nathaniel Priestley?

tuyop
Sep 14, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Waffleman_ posted:

Turns out Gideon is just free with Audible Plus, so I can check that one out in the about month or so I've got left in my 3 month 99 cent each promo. Which version of Monday Starts on Saturday do you rec, the one with Ramiz Monsef or Nathaniel Priestley?

Nathaniel Priestley

Mr. Nemo
Feb 4, 2016

I wish I had a sister like my big strong Daddy :(

coolusername posted:

Does anyone have recs for fantasy or sci-fi books in the flavour of “two bitter enemies grow to like each other very reluctantly” where there’s a lot of tension for a solid chunk of the book and it doesn’t resolve very quickly? This Is How You Lose the Time War, Shards of Honor or The Locked Tomb trilogy for examples, tho it doesn’t have to end explicitly romantically.

It’s just a lot of books I’ve found advertised in that niche so far have jumped right into the “I hate them… but their abs are so tight!” by page 10 or the enemy bit is just overinflated sports rivalries, where I’m looking more for page 100 stabbings.

The first fifteen lives of Harry August, great book anyways.

Picayune
Feb 26, 2007

cannot be unseen
Taco Defender
Ooh, yeah, Claire North is good times and that book is particularly good.

fatelvis
Mar 21, 2010

Anyone got recommendations for stuff like there is no Antimemetics division? I've read a few things along these lines, and I guess what I like is the idea of a bureucracy/organistion trying to understand/control something otherworldly/lovecraftian.

Other stuff that seemed to have the same vibe to me:
laundry files by charles stross - looking for a bit less comedy though
second book of the southern reach trilogy by jeff vandermeer
blind lake - robert charles wilson
x-files/fringe
control video game

Mr. Nemo
Feb 4, 2016

I wish I had a sister like my big strong Daddy :(
Any Rome-heads here?

I’m reading Augustus by John Williams. Both Cicero and Livy are characters in it and I’ve never read any of them.

Can you link them to a specific edition you’d recommend? Amazon or other easy buy appreciated.

Lewd Mangabey
Jun 2, 2011
"What sort of ape?" asked Stephen.
"A damned ill-conditioned sort of an ape. It had a can of ale at every pot-house on the road, and is reeling drunk. It has been offering itself to Babbington."

Mr. Nemo posted:

Any Rome-heads here?

I’m reading Augustus by John Williams. Both Cicero and Livy are characters in it and I’ve never read any of them.

Can you link them to a specific edition you’d recommend? Amazon or other easy buy appreciated.

I've always been partial to Penguin editions for this kind of thing -- lots of notes for context and good scholarly intros.

Livy is fascinating to read, since he starts with the earliest history of Rome, and is in fact basically our only literary source for a lot of it. Important to remember that he didn't really know what he was talking about, since the details were already vague by his time, so you're learning as much about what Rome at his time thought about their origins as you are about the actual origins.

Cicero of course is writing about things closer to his own time but with a massive political agenda, which again is part of the interest in reading him.

On a different note, if you like the genre of fictional Roman emperor's memoir, try Memoirs of Hadrian by Yourcenar.

tuyop
Sep 14, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

fatelvis posted:

Anyone got recommendations for stuff like there is no Antimemetics division? I've read a few things along these lines, and I guess what I like is the idea of a bureucracy/organistion trying to understand/control something otherworldly/lovecraftian.

Other stuff that seemed to have the same vibe to me:
laundry files by charles stross - looking for a bit less comedy though
second book of the southern reach trilogy by jeff vandermeer
blind lake - robert charles wilson
x-files/fringe
control video game

Kind of cosmic police procedurals:

Kraken by China Mieville is about a London cult policing unit investigating the theft of a giant squid. Gets weird!

The City and the City by Mieville again is about a murder investigation in a city that’s actually two cities but the residents aren’t allowed to acknowledge each other.

Quarantine by Greg Egan is about a detective investigating the disappearance of a disabled woman in a cyberpunk future where the planet has been isolated from the universe strangely.

Maybe:

Heads by Greg Bear is about a scientist on the moon trying to create absolute zero. Some frozen heads get put in his test chamber to keep them frozen and make the experiment less costly. Turns out things get weird when you play with absolute zero!

BioTech
Feb 5, 2007
...drinking myself to sleep again...


fatelvis posted:

Anyone got recommendations for stuff like there is no Antimemetics division? I've read a few things along these lines, and I guess what I like is the idea of a bureucracy/organistion trying to understand/control something otherworldly/lovecraftian.

Other stuff that seemed to have the same vibe to me:
laundry files by charles stross - looking for a bit less comedy though
second book of the southern reach trilogy by jeff vandermeer
blind lake - robert charles wilson
x-files/fringe
control video game

You might like The Tomorrow World, by Tom Sweterlitsch
Basic idea is X-Files meets Sliders, but at the same time something unstoppable is drawing closer.

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007



fatelvis posted:

a bureucracy/organistion trying to understand/control something otherworldly/lovecraftian.


Declare by Tim Powers

Rieux
Jan 15, 2010
Call-out to poetry nerds. Recently started to get interested in John Donne. While it's easy to find most of his poems online for free, I'd like to find a decent collection I can read in book form, and preferably with some commentary if possible.

I poked around online already but, as expected, there are so many anthologies out there it's hard to say if one is better than the others. I also worry about accidentally ordering some garbage copy/pasted public domain plundering trash from Amazon. If you have any recommendations, I'd appreciate it.

I also came across Super-Infinite: The Transformations of John Donne by Katherine Rundell, which was an accalimed biography that came out a couple of years ago--I'm thinking of ordering it from my bookstore, so any thoughts on that or other biographies of Donne would be helpful.

fatelvis
Mar 21, 2010

tuyop posted:

Kind of cosmic police procedurals:

Kraken by China Mieville is about a London cult policing unit investigating the theft of a giant squid. Gets weird!

The City and the City by Mieville again is about a murder investigation in a city that’s actually two cities but the residents aren’t allowed to acknowledge each other.

Quarantine by Greg Egan is about a detective investigating the disappearance of a disabled woman in a cyberpunk future where the planet has been isolated from the universe strangely.

Maybe:

Heads by Greg Bear is about a scientist on the moon trying to create absolute zero. Some frozen heads get put in his test chamber to keep them frozen and make the experiment less costly. Turns out things get weird when you play with absolute zero!

Cheers - cosmic police procedural is a solid description of what I'm looking for! City and the city was pretty cool, I forgot I had read that as well. I'm gonna check out your other recommendations.


Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

Declare by Tim Powers

Also a solid recommendation for what I'm looking for... that I've already read :) I should have put it on the list.


BioTech posted:

You might like The Tomorrow World, by Tom Sweterlitsch
Basic idea is X-Files meets Sliders, but at the same time something unstoppable is drawing closer.

Do you mean The Gone World? I really liked that one as well.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
They just confused the title with Sweterlitsch other solid novel, Tomorrow and Tomorrow

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
After looking at books by Michael Crichton, Neal Stephenson, Arthur Hailey, James Clavell, James Michener, and Tom Clancy, what would be some other novelists where a big deal is made of the amount of research that went into composing the books in the same way?

tuyop
Sep 14, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

FPyat posted:

After looking at books by Michael Crichton, Neal Stephenson, Arthur Hailey, James Clavell, James Michener, and Tom Clancy, what would be some other novelists where a big deal is made of the amount of research that went into composing the books in the same way?

Umberto Eco comes to mind

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

FPyat posted:

After looking at books by Michael Crichton, Neal Stephenson, Arthur Hailey, James Clavell, James Michener, and Tom Clancy, what would be some other novelists where a big deal is made of the amount of research that went into composing the books in the same way?

Thomas Pynchon

Mary Renault

Patrick O'Brien

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Edward Rutherfurd.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

FPyat posted:

After looking at books by Michael Crichton, Neal Stephenson, Arthur Hailey, James Clavell, James Michener, and Tom Clancy, what would be some other novelists where a big deal is made of the amount of research that went into composing the books in the same way?

Ready Player One.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

YOU HAVE MY POST!

FPyat posted:

After looking at books by Michael Crichton, Neal Stephenson, Arthur Hailey, James Clavell, James Michener, and Tom Clancy, what would be some other novelists where a big deal is made of the amount of research that went into composing the books in the same way?

Maybe Andy Weir? I remember all the promos for the Martian highlighting his research (despite the fact that the original windstorm premise was completely impossible).

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

3D Megadoodoo posted:

Ready Player One.

mods????

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





FPyat posted:

After looking at books by Michael Crichton, Neal Stephenson, Arthur Hailey, James Clavell, James Michener, and Tom Clancy, what would be some other novelists where a big deal is made of the amount of research that went into composing the books in the same way?

Dan Brown

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


wheatpuppy posted:

Maybe Andy Weir? I remember all the promos for the Martian highlighting his research (despite the fact that the original windstorm premise was completely impossible).

Project Hail Mary has a lot of fun science in it too

Digital Flower
Sep 5, 2011

Opopanax posted:

Project Hail Mary has a lot of fun science in it too

Parts of it also feel like reading a screenplay to a Roland Emmerich film. I like the first contact stuff.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Dan Simmons is who I was trying to remember before. The Terror is loaded with some painstakingly researched stuff and it's actually presented in an interesting way.

Bandiet
Dec 30, 2015

Rieux posted:

Call-out to poetry nerds. Recently started to get interested in John Donne. While it's easy to find most of his poems online for free, I'd like to find a decent collection I can read in book form, and preferably with some commentary if possible.

I poked around online already but, as expected, there are so many anthologies out there it's hard to say if one is better than the others. I also worry about accidentally ordering some garbage copy/pasted public domain plundering trash from Amazon. If you have any recommendations, I'd appreciate it.

I also came across Super-Infinite: The Transformations of John Donne by Katherine Rundell, which was an accalimed biography that came out a couple of years ago--I'm thinking of ordering it from my bookstore, so any thoughts on that or other biographies of Donne would be helpful.

I'm fond of the Everyman's Library one (complete poems) because it retains the original spellings. Their hardcovers are also great quality for the same price as most new paperbacks. Penguin and Oxford paperbacks always have lots of notes too, I'm sure their Donne selections are good. (Oxford doesn't number their endnotes in the main text, which can be annoying.)

mrfreeze
Apr 3, 2009

Jon Arbuckle: Master of pleasuring women

Can anyone recommend some excellent books on either Antarctic exploration especially if it’s people surviving some really hosed up situations, massive historical weather events, or mountain climbing? I’m trying to figure out a gift for Xmas and have no clue what is actually good.

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yaffle
Sep 15, 2002

Flapdoodle

mrfreeze posted:

Can anyone recommend some excellent books on either Antarctic exploration especially if it’s people surviving some really hosed up situations, massive historical weather events, or mountain climbing? I’m trying to figure out a gift for Xmas and have no clue what is actually good.

"Eiger Dreams" by John Krakaur - A collection of short essays about mountain climbing
"Touching the Void" by Joe Simpson - mountain climbing goes very wrong
"Into the Heart of Borneo" by Redmond O'Hanlon - A fat English academic tries to find the Bornean Rhino using books from the 19th century as a guide, eats worms.

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