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Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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ZenMastaT posted:

I used to make models when I was younger like a lot of other guys in this thread, and I'm just now thinking of getting back into the hobby. I was strictly a beginner back then - no painting or anything of the sort so I'm thinking of starting with something on the easier end, maybe a WWII aircraft or something.

If I take to the hobby though, I was hoping to eventually build some helicopters. Do any of you have experience with that? Specifically, I've been trying to find a model of the MH-53 Pave-low, but I haven't seen anything. Helicopters look pretty complicated so I figured I'd hold off, at least initially. Also, I'd love to see more photos of all of your finished work, as sort of an inspiration to begin. A picture of a pave-low below, for reference:



MH-53E Sea Dragon in 1:48: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=MH12703

CH-53E Super Sea Stallion in 1:48: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=MH12209

You could try to convert these if you want a larger model (these things are pretty big in that scale), but I don't know of a conversion kit that would facilitate that.

There is, however, a 1:72 MH-53J Pave Low III made by Italeri. I can't seem to find it for sale on any model sites any more, so it must be out of production right now. I'd suggest checking eBay if you're interested in it. Here's some pictures of a finished one: http://arcair.com/Gal6/5601-5700/gal5640_MH53_Yilmaz/00.shtm (by the way, if you want inspiration you can't go wrong with ARC's massive gallery, including pictures from some of the best modelers in the world)

Regarding air compressor discussion, I bought the "no brand" green boxy thing that Hobby Lobby carries and I'm quite satisfied with it. It has no tank, which means it runs on demand, but it is very quiet. I added a drier/filter and it has served me well with my Iwata Revolution CR. I don't recall how much I paid for it but I did use a 40% off coupon. :v:

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Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Shachi posted:

Does anyone have any info on the "Masters" brand of AB?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fine-Detail-DUA...=item2ea974c2e0

Not only is the price somewhat attractive, it's a 1" to hairline spray range which seems kind of nice.

I know when picking between the Iwata Revolution or Eclipse there is a significant paint range that one does that the other cannot. Anyone got any suggestions on what I should get between those?

EDIT: Never mind about the Master AB I asked about. I did a bit of searching and found a lot of "you get what you pay for, dumbass." My question between the Revo and the Eclipse still stands. I'll be using the thing for general use; laying basecoats, detail work, washes, etc.

Dual action is the way to go, no matter what particular model or brand that you get. Beyond that, consider how much detail work you think you'll be doing. A gravity feed cup airbrush is best for detail work because the paint flow is easier to control. This doesn't mean that you can't do large area painting with it, just that it may take longer and the cup doesn't hold as much paint as a bottom-feed bottle.

I have a Revolution CR (gravity feed cup) and I've used it for both detail work and laying down a base coat on an entire model. Looking at Iwata's specs, the main difference I can see between the Revolution and Eclipse lines is that they specifically state that the Eclipse is capable of dealing with thicker, heavier paints. For working on models, however, you're going to want to avoid thickness and thin the paint down with water (for acrylics) or thinner (for lacquers). It might mean you have to lay down multiple coats but the control is worth it.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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ZenMastaT posted:

Would any of you know what paint (applied by paintbrush) most closely resembles US Navy gray? My helicopter model thing recommends gunship gray, but some reviews and online galleries show that this is a ridiculous color which is too dark and wrong.

Also, if I'm planning to paint something for the first time, sans airbrush, are there any general tips or is painting everything solid gray hard to gently caress up like I hope it is.

What you need is the 'FS' number for the particular shade.

Check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Standard_595

You'll find that any paint maker that makes colors for painting military hardware will have a full assortment of FS shades, including that particular shade of grey. This is just a guess, but I'm leaning towards FS36320:

http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=36320 "Dark Ghost Gray"

You might want to consider having fun with some weathering techniques, because this is definitely a "dirty bird". :v:

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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ZenMastaT posted:

Thanks again for all your advice guys. I picked up some Tamiya acrylic paints that look like they should do the job alright - it turns out I may be able to drum up an airbrush and a compressor from a relative in the near future so if I don't lose patience by then I may go that route. For now I'm satisfied with the challenge of just putting the thing together.

Speaking of which, I have been running into a rather stupid problem that I can't seem to come up with a solution for. While joining the two main halves of the body of the helicopter together I find it difficult to get glue down in all the right places before it dries. I'm using a touch-N-flow applicator along the inside of the seams where the two halves will meet but because I'm trying to go around the entire helicopter's body in one go the glue either dries before I can join the body together properly or the touch-N-flow runs out of glue in its reservoir.

Here is a link to a review of the kit I am building if that gives you a better idea of what I am talking about : http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/it/kit_it_1065.shtml

I ended up joining the body together with less glue than I would have liked - then adding more glue to the exterior of the seam after the two halves were already joined. This resulted in some "glue marks" or whatever you call them where you can see evidence of dried glue on the exterior. Is this the type of thing that is just expected or am I too clumsy?

You'll find that the touch-n-flow works best if you put the two parts together and then touch the seam to let the liquid cement flow into it. Hold the parts together tightly during this and wait until it seems to have set up. Alternatively, you may need to clamp it together if it won't hold together at rest-as in, if the plastic is warped so that you have to actually force the seam together, which is reasonably common. You can also hold it together with strategically placed masking tape.

The 'dried glue' marks that you speak of will disappear with paint, don't worry about them. That's just something the liquid cement does when it evaporates off the plastic.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Well, when I got my touch-n-flow it came in a kit with some Tenax-7R and also included was a 'needle bottle' which is basically a plastic bottle with a tiny metal tube coming out of the cap. This allows you to easily fill the touch-n-flow's tube because it fits inside.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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That T-34 looks great. Nice to see some activity in here!

Up next for me:

http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=61093

I'm planning to do some weathering on it such as the 'salt crust' method I mentioned earlier in the thread; WWII Japanese planes generally looked very beat up and didn't get repainted much at all.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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With regard to mixing paints, I got a Badger Paint Mixer and never looked back. It's cheap, runs off two AA batteries, and mixes the gently caress out of any paint.

Quick Google search turned it up for $6.38 at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Badger-Airbrush-Paint-Mixer/dp/B000BROV02

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Mr. Despair posted:

Well I'm glad I found out about this thread. I've built a few things, and while most of it isn't really amazing, I still have fun doing it. Most of the following is hand painted (the stug III, Skyline, and Porsche are exceptions though). I have a paasche, but it doesn't get much use.


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Except for 1/32 scale planes. Ugh. (I'm not a fan of airbrushing, so bigger things can get to be a pain, thankfully only the navy Phantom is mine, would have gone crazy doing 3 of them).

Tanks are pretty sweet for that same reason though.


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I rebuilt this turret 4 times, since I kept dropping it. :ohdear:


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Cars, motorcycles, and mechs are pretty fun too though.


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Wish I could find a nicer Flanker kit though.


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I'm working on a Zvezda KA-58 right now, but I'm still trying to decide how to paint it to look cool... flat black just isn't exciting enough.

Great stuff, thanks for posting it. What's the build quality like on Zvezda kits? I've considered getting some of their 1/72 stuff before because they model a lot of planes that just aren't available from anyone else.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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I thought you guys would appreciate this:

http://www.finescale.com/en/How%20To/Articles/2010/01/DESKTOP%20WALLPAPER%20Erin%20Lantzs%20132%20scale%20F-16.aspx

It was in the last issue of FSM. The article talked about the painstaking process of masking off all those sections of different colors, which resulted in one of the most amazing paint jobs I've ever seen. I have to think that the military probably wouldn't do this for real because it would be too much of a pain in the rear end, although maybe they could get robots to paint it that way.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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I've been working on the new Hasegawa 1:48 F-22 Raptor and I have to say I am very impressed. It was expensive, but the quality is absolutely top notch as I've come to expect from Hasegawa. The details are crisp, the molding is excellent with little to no flash, and the instructions, while complex, are easy to follow. So far I've got the two side weapons bays and the landing gear bays put in, and that's already taken me a few hours because of the intricate and delicate missile launcher mechanisms in the weapons bays.

I don't know how Hasegawa got such an accurate molding of a plane that is still so classified. I went to an air show recently and they had on F-22 on the ground but it was all buttoned up and cordoned off about 50 feet out with armed Marine guards circling it. :cop:

Once I get the cockpit done (which is also highly detailed and very nice) I'll post some pics. Anyway, highly recommended if you're looking for a new project or you like the F-22. It also includes Sidewinder and AMRAAM missiles, which is atypical for Hasegawa as they don't usually include stores.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Jumpingmanjim posted:

I want to make that one but the paint job looks demanding. How do you do it? can you make a stencil or something?

I'm not sure yet. If you look at a picture of a real Raptor the edges of the darker gray areas are soft, so I may try to just airbrush it freehand. Ultimately, it's pretty subtle. Another option would be masking with silly putty, but any sort of masking you do is going to leave a sharper edge.

:ninja: edit: I'm going to try to finish the cockpit tonight. Pictures hopefully forthcoming!

Powdered Toast Man fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Nov 16, 2010

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Maybe we should start doing model pledges like the Warhammer guys do with their figures.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Nebakenezzer posted:

And give out new avatars to those that fail, presumably :v:

You presume correctly, sir!

Anyone have any tips for painting seamless, nice-looking jet intakes?

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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I believe this is relevant to our interests, gentlemen:

http://www.funlol.com/15983/Build_your_own_chopper.html

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Yeah, I've sliced my fingers with an X-Acto knife more times than I can count. It's especially bad when you're trying to trim flash or ejector pin marks off a fiddly little part held between your fingers. Fortunately I have superglue handy already to help close up those wounds!

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Really any compressor will do as long as you can regulate the PSI and put a filter/drier on it. The main factor is noise; small compressors made specifically for airbrush purposes are generally much more quiet than a compressor made to run air tools and fill tires.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Hypnotized posted:

Thanks guys. The weathering was done with a silver ink pen. Then I did a couple flat black washes over the plane to sort of dull it a bit.

That's a great idea; hadn't thought of it before. Some of these WWII planes got a lot of paint chipped off during use (Japanese planes in particular are famous for this because they didn't bother to repaint them), and opinions vary on the best way to capture that. I've mentioned salt weathering before but I've never tried it myself.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Confirming that Testors is poo poo. I can still remember how amazed I was the first time I unboxed an Hasegawa kit. I had no idea such detail was even possible, and it's worth every penny.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Working on something that I'm really excited about. When I get it fully assembled I'll post a pic before prime/paint.

http://www.amazon.com/1-4105-Battlestar-Galactica-BS-75/dp/B00398AE4C/ref=pd_bxgy_t_text_b

The detail on it is very nice, and it's going together pretty well, too. It's a nice size, too...about a foot long, I guess? I'm planning to do some battle damage on the hull when I paint it.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Jumpingmanjim posted:

Isn't it recommended that you paint on the sprue then assemble it? Or am I thinking of another Galactica model?

Edit: yes it says on the first page of the instructions to paint the basic colours on the sprue before assembling.

They can say whatever the gently caress they want, but I'm not going to paint parts on sprues. Bear in mind that these instructions are coming from people who put lovely adhesive decals-stickers, really-in the package. The plastic is good quality but I won't be using those.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Jumpingmanjim posted:

Rejoice, for the Bin Laden Raid cash ins have just started arriving

http://dragon-models.com/html/4628poster.htm

http://www.italeri.com/Kit.aspx?PROD=01960

What is this "stealth helicopter" bullshit? That's not a real bird, is it?

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Midjack posted:

I'm remembering all the Stealth Fighter and Stealth Bomber models we had in the mid-80s and I'm sure we'll see the same stuff here. Dragon had the first good models of both if I remember right, that 1/144 two-pack.

Yeah, and the "Project Aurora" ones from more recent times.

To be honest, I think the F-117 looks even weirder than the fake ones. It's a very strange-looking plane.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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That is an excellent tank. Great work on the weathering.

Work, marriage (newlywed), and various other things have kept me from modeling lately but I'm hoping to get back to my Galactica model and have something to post soon.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Very nice weathering and such on that Ma.K model. I'm also a huge Wallace & Gromit fan so the sheep is awesome. :haw:

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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TaurusOxford posted:

Oh, sorry about that. Thanks for the link.

I do some Gundam and I use these for lining: http://www.sakuraofamerica.com/Pen-Archival

My only comment is that they don't always give you a very dark black against lighter colored plastics, so you might have to go over the lines more than once.

As far as paints are concerned, Gundam models are generally polystyrene just like regular models, and so basically any model paints are going to work just fine. As with any plastic models it's a good idea to wash your parts and prime before painting.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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This is why the kits from Dragon and such with turned aluminum barrels are so superior. I can't believe they would even make something like that in two pieces.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Tamiya is hit or miss in my experience. Their newer kits are generally very good but some of the older ones that haven't been updated are honestly crap. Then again, I'm talking about aircraft here because that's what I do. It's a shame Hasegawa doesn't do armor (except for MK), because in my opinion they have the best detailing and engineering on the market.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Nebakenezzer posted:

As someone who likes the 1/72 scale in armor I'm going to try some of Hasegawa's kits soon. I'm building my first dragon kit (Challenger 2 Iraq) right now; aside from a few mistakes (like leaving out the headlights) it's quite impressive. It's quite a change from the WW2 stuff I've built so far.

Hasegawa makes absolutely fantastic 1/72 airplanes. So, you could get something from the same time period as one of your armor pieces and set it down next to it, since it would be in the same scale! Maybe even make a little diorama? :dance:

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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The Finemolds Star Wars products really are nice. I like the stands they include with them, too.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Uh. A diorama of a railway car being unloaded at a concentration camp? Seriously? That's rather disturbing.

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Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

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Ahhh, weird German planes. Not to mention the stuff they had on the drawing boards that never even got made, good lord. (http://www.luft46.com)

Also, Morgenthau that Bf-109 is the poo poo. Right on!

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