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stun runner
Oct 3, 2006

by mons all madden


Okay, so the current system might have a few kinks that need to be worked out, but I'd say it's overall much better than having some government bureaucrat standing between you and your doctor.

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Radd McCool
Dec 3, 2005

by Y Kant Ozma Post


The problem is that words really don't have any meaning to people like that. They're symbols that queue up poo poo in the person's head. Explain why gub'mint bureaucrats aren't evil and all they'll hear is '[BADTHING] isn't [VALUEJUDGEMENT_for_BADTHINGS]' and think you're stupid.

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

This avatar was paid for by the Silent Majority.

i think kaltag is like a combination of grover and fraternite

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

This avatar was paid for by the Silent Majority.

Radd McCool posted:

The problem is that words really don't have any meaning to people like that. They're symbols that queue up poo poo in the person's head. Explain why gub'mint bureaucrats aren't evil and all they'll hear is '[BADTHING] isn't [VALUEJUDGEMENT_for_BADTHINGS]' and think you're stupid.

if [poor], then [lazy friend of the family]

Danthrax
Jul 11, 2006
The Jews invented and successfully promoted Socialism, Communism, human rights and democracy so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong


Gazaville Slugger posted:

GBS trip report: feelin' queasy:



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startin' to see spots

I wonder which congressional district this guy represents.

MacBook Air Gamer
May 6, 2007

Here I go, deep type flow.
Jacques Cousteau could never get this low.


Gazaville Slugger posted:

GBS trip report: feelin' queasy:



fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff








startin' to see spots

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004



stun runner posted:

Okay, so the current system might have a few kinks that need to be worked out, but I'd say it's overall much better than having some government bureaucrat standing between you and your doctor.

These quotes are making me angry. It's like people see UHC as being kafkaesque when in actual fact is, theres no one between you and your doctor, he just gets paid by the government for treating you.

ARGH.

The worst part is that I know theres absolutely nothing I can say that will change their minds. It's just hopeless.

Muddy Terrain
Dec 23, 2004

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Xachariah posted:

These quotes are making me angry. It's like people see UHC as being kafkaesque when in actual fact is, theres no one between you and your doctor, he just gets paid by the government for treating you.

ARGH.

The worst part is that I know theres absolutely nothing I can say that will change their minds. It's just hopeless.

let it burn...
just burn america to the ground and start over

dm
Jun 5, 2004

There is no alternative.


Raptop posted:

I think we should do something effective like killing health care lobbyists.
you'd be better off going for the execs and board members.

GreenFuz
Aug 30, 2000

by Peatpot


for every one you kill seven will take its place

yaay
Aug 4, 2006

to Accursed 2 leave armour

dm posted:

you'd be better off going for the execs and board members.

I hope its years of corporate lobbying and right-wing media brainwashing are reflected in the godawful opinions in that thread because god loving drat you guys dont have a hope of improving america if any significant portion of america's population naturally hold that opinion

e: union thread is good too

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

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yaay posted:

I hope its years of corporate lobbying and right-wing media brainwashing are reflected in the godawful opinions in that thread because god loving drat you guys dont have a hope of improving america if any significant portion of america's population naturally hold that opinion

a very significant portion of america believes in bootstraps

yaay
Aug 4, 2006

to Accursed 2 leave armour

Gazaville Slugger posted:

a very good portion of america believes in bootstraps

do they know when you try to do that you mostly fall over right

seizure later
Apr 18, 2007


the socialism thread about healthcare in gbs has produced g_mangler, perhaps the greatest poster of all time.

baquerd
Jul 2, 2007
I'M A FUCKING IDIOT



yaay posted:

do they know when you try to do that you mostly fall over right

Yeah, but the point is if enough generations of your family do it, eventually one gets lucky and then you're set, at least until you pop out a Paris Hilton.

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

This avatar was paid for by the Silent Majority.

g_mangler is actually probably not a troll

Darkwing_Duck
Aug 22, 2002

Boldly going where no beer has gone before.

stun runner posted:

Okay, so the current system might have a few kinks that need to be worked out, but I'd say it's overall much better than having some government bureaucrat standing between you and your doctor.

as opposed to now when no one gets between you and your doctor


except the nurse, the gp you had to see to get the referral to the doctor, the insurance adjuster, the auditer claiming youre abusing your benefits, the manager who drops you from the insurance when you use too much, and the loving GRAVEDIGGER WHEN YOU DIE

randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden


Darkwing_Duck posted:

as opposed to now when no one gets between you and your doctor


except the nurse, the gp you had to see to get the referral to the doctor, the insurance adjuster, the auditer claiming youre abusing your benefits, the manager who drops you from the insurance when you use too much, and the loving GRAVEDIGGER WHEN YOU DIE

don't forget that in the south you can also add in the pharmacist if he thinks jesus wouldn't have prescribed those drugs

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.


The "OMG government bureaucrats, just like the DMV" line is always funny when you live someplace with a really efficient DMV.

stun runner
Oct 3, 2006

by mons all madden


VideoTapir posted:

The "OMG government bureaucrats, just like the DMV" line is always funny when you live someplace with a really efficient DMV.

the government can't do anything

*receives mail, drives on freeway, calls fire department, uses internet, air traffic controllers stop planes from crashing into me*

Jay B. Bulworth
Sep 3, 2008

Obscenity?


stun runner posted:

the government can't do anything

*receives mail, drives on freeway, calls fire department, uses internet, air traffic controllers stop planes from crashing into me*

*drops a piece of paper in a box that gets put in a specific box on the other side of the country a couple days later for <$0.50*

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.


I once dropped a piece of paper in a box in Fairbanks, AK and had it get to another box in Atlanta, GA the next day for <$.50

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

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VideoTapir posted:

I once dropped a piece of paper in a box in Fairbanks, AK and had it get to another box in Atlanta, GA the next day for <$.50

yeah, but how long did you have to wait in line to do it?

that's what this is really about. do you want to have to stand? in line? that's un-American.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.


Gazaville Slugger posted:

yeah, but how long did you have to wait in line to do it?

that's what this is really about. do you want to have to stand? in line? that's un-American.

I didn't, but I did have to drive to the post office.

randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden


I AM AN AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE SHITHEEL

this morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy.
I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility.
After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issed by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the department of labor and the occupational safety and health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to ny house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it's valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post on freerepublic.com and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right



I'm pretty sure I missed a few. I wonder what kind of fun could fall out from cleaning it up a bit and tossing it at a few newspapers comments sections
edit: needs some consumer product safety commission somewhere at least

randomnoise fucked around with this message at Jul 24, 2009 around 20:21

Jay B. Bulworth
Sep 3, 2008

Obscenity?


randomnoise posted:

I AM AN AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE SHITHEEL

this morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy.
I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility.
After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issed by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the department of labor and the occupational safety and health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to ny house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it's valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post on freerepublic.com and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right



I'm pretty sure I missed a few. I wonder what kind of fun could fall out from cleaning it up a bit and tossing it at a few newspapers comments sections
edit: needs some consumer product safety commission somewhere at least

i walked on the sidewalk

stun runner
Oct 3, 2006

by mons all madden


haha that's a great idea, i'd love it to be cleaned up

you could add GPS too

Muddy Terrain
Dec 23, 2004

by Y Kant Ozma Post


so why have the talking points about health care plummeted to "When has the government ever done anything effectively at all?"

Radd McCool
Dec 3, 2005

by Y Kant Ozma Post


OneArmedScissor posted:

so why have the talking points about health care plummeted to "When has the government ever done anything effectively at all?"
I think it's that if the government isn't part of the solution, but government is the problem, then cooperation and mutual dependence aren't the way society works, and if free markets are the solution, then people like you and me are the highest order of human for our potential has been unleashed by capitalism and democracy, our founding FATHERS have taught us to be independent, we SONS of liberty must now SURPASS THE FATHER and create our own families or something

I honestly can't figure this poo poo out, I've gone to try parsing it in terms of feelings 'n' poo poo and do I get it sorted out that way? Not yet

Are these people just stupid? It can't be that simple when half this bullshit is really quite elaborate

randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden


Jay B. Bulworth posted:

i walked on the sidewalk
yeah I guess you could take the kids to a CITY park CONSERVED BY FIAT

stun runner posted:

haha that's a great idea, i'd love it to be cleaned up

you could add GPS too
Also include the VA, military, and medicare when mentioning health care. I might work on it a bit more actually. It might make a nice youtube style commercial with all the federal logos flashing every time BIG GOVERNMENT is ruining your life with SOCIALISM

Muddy Terrain
Dec 23, 2004

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Radd McCool posted:

I think it's that if the government isn't part of the solution, but government is the problem, then cooperation and mutual dependence aren't the way society works, and if free markets are the solution, then people like you and me are the highest order of human for our potential has been unleashed by capitalism and democracy, our founding FATHERS have taught us to be independent, we SONS of liberty must now SURPASS THE FATHER and create our own families or something

I honestly can't figure this poo poo out, I've gone to try parsing it in terms of feelings 'n' poo poo and do I get it sorted out that way? Not yet

Are these people just stupid? It can't be that simple when half this bullshit is really quite elaborate

in other words, the personal and private interfere with the empirical in this vale of tears we call life.

news at 11

Alctel
Jan 16, 2004

I love snails

quote:

Obama is a radical leftist. An ideologue. So is most of GBS from what I've read.

quote:

It's really simple. Socialism is anti-freedom. Freedom is what has made america great. Therefore socialism is anti-american.

You want to live in a socialist utopia? Go check out the DPRK. Let us know how it is if they ever let you leave.

(from http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...40&pagenumber=9

Look up g-mangler's post history, he is an honest to god freeper)

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

This avatar was paid for by the Silent Majority.

Radd McCool posted:

Are these people just stupid? It can't be that simple when half this bullshit is really quite elaborate

yes

yaay
Aug 4, 2006

to Accursed 2 leave armour

Alctel posted:

(from http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...40&pagenumber=9

Look up g-mangler's post history, he is an honest to god freeper)

he can't not be a troll come on

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.

yaay posted:

he can't not be a troll come on

g_mangler posted:

I don't buy the discrimination argument. Simply put, straight people can't marry someone of the same sex, neither can gay people. Straight people can marry someone of the opposite sex, and so can gay people. So i really don't see this as in "equal rights issue."

Suppose "gay" marriage is legal, is it only for "gay" people to marry the same sex, or is it ok for hetero people to marry the same sex for financial, immigration, or other reasons? Suppose "gay marriage" is legal. If someone not "gay" is not allowed to marry someone of the same sex, isn't this in fact real discrimination? I.e., "gay" people would have the right to marry the same sex as well as the opposite sex while "straight" people can only marry the opposite sex. This to me would be de facto discrimination based soley on sexual orientation. Is the government going to form a "gay police" where before they issue a marriage license, you have to have gay sex in front of them to prove you are in fact gay?

In other words, "gay marriage" would need to be "same sex marriage" open to anyone, gay, straight, transgender, in order to not be dicriminatory by it's very nature. This opens a pandora's box that I think a lot of governments don't want to open. This along with religious objections is what's holding it back.

I personally don't give a poo poo who wants to marry whom, however I am generally against the soul sucking institution known as marriage. I'm certainly no homophobe as my past sexual history has encompassed both genders. I just think gay people should REJOICE that they aren't allowed to marry that way you don't have to listen to your "partner" badger, whine, and complain you into a lovely marriage. I personally hate being married and one day I will escape.

One last thing, rioting is not a good way to make a point and calling people morons because they don't share your beliefs isn't very tolerant. I've a hard time with the left anymore. It seems tolerance has been replaced by bigotry and facism when they don't get their way.
what an interesting fellow

Optimus_Rhyme
Apr 15, 2007

are you that mainframe hacker guy?



VideoTapir posted:

The "OMG government bureaucrats, just like the DMV" line is always funny when you live someplace with a really efficient DMV.

the irony is that in Ontario they moved the privatize parts of the DMV (well MTO in Canada).

Even better is that the act to privatize the DMV offices was called the Road User Customer Service Improvement Act of 2000. You can watch the union they were replacing bitch here

Optimus_Rhyme fucked around with this message at Jul 24, 2009 around 21:03

Fiend
Dec 2, 2001


yaay posted:

he can't not be a troll come on

g_mangler posted:

I'm not against gay marriage. I've even had gay sex!!! OMFG!!!! Yes I have. I'm hetero mostly but have been bi in the past. You see I am not a cookie cutter right winger. I try to think on my own.

stun runner
Oct 3, 2006

by mons all madden


quote:

I personally don't give a poo poo who wants to marry whom, however I am generally against the soul sucking institution known as marriage. I'm certainly no homophobe as my past sexual history has encompassed both genders. I just think gay people should REJOICE that they aren't allowed to marry that way you don't have to listen to your "partner" badger, whine, and complain you into a lovely marriage. I personally hate being married and one day I will escape.

this is depressing

seizure later
Apr 18, 2007


g_mangler is the best poster and i want him to become property of lf.

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DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.


quote:

It looks like we can chalk up a victory for the good guys. Stocks soared this week, as Congress gave up trying to enact so-called health-care reform ó and the massive new taxes to pay for it ó until after their August recess. That means itís dead.

Last week I wrote that if ďit gets rejected, then stocks could move a lot higher once they see that itís still possible for the government of this country to do the right thing every once in a while.Ē Thatís just what has happened.

Let me remind you whatís a stake here. Itís even worse than I wrote about last week. I said that the ďsurchargeĒ tax to finance this government takeover of private medicine would raise the top income tax rate to 45%. Thatís bad enough, but what I didnít mention is that the ďsurchargeĒ would affect capital gains taxes, too. The rate on long-term capital gains is now 15%. If Obamaís plan is enacted, it would jump to 25.6%.

I canít think of a surer way to destroy the stock market ó whatís left of it ó than to raise taxes on capital gains. Isnít it already hard enough to make money in stocks?

So donít be surprised that stocks have taken off on the good news that this particular piece of political madness has been consigned to the dustbin of history where it belongs.

Itís especially good news because thereís more and more evidence that the economy really is coming back to life. It would be a shame to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Most important this week, earnings season is shaping up to be absolutely terrific. Forty percent of the companies that are going to report this season have now done so. On average, earnings have surprised on the upside by 11%. That makes this, at least so far, the best earnings season in more than two years ó by a substantial margin.

death to the investor class, death to capitalists, death to america

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