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Apr 18, 2007
the socialism thread about healthcare in gbs has produced g_mangler, perhaps the greatest poster of all time.

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Apr 18, 2007
g_mangler is the best poster and i want him to become property of lf.

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Apr 18, 2007
how are you gentlemen

all of your private court rooms are belong to us

welcome to your own stupidity make your time

ha ha ha

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Apr 18, 2007

Whilst farting I posted:

When I was 18, I left my mothers house with nothing but the clothes on my back. I refuse to put my "race" or "ethnicity" on any application, and have not needed a face to face interview for my college acceptance. My 4.0 says enough.

On top of all this, I'm Hispanic. My father was a Mexican citizen.

You know nothing about what it means to come from nothing and to make something of yourself.

I am done arguing. If any of you want to make a real difference, join the military (or peace corps), go to college, get perfect grades, become a doctor, and donate all of your money away and help people all you like. Until you do that, you have nothing to say to me.

that guy is genuinely more frustrating than rush n attack because rush n attack is a nobody and this guy wants to be a loving doctor

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Apr 18, 2007
i really like grey's anatomy

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Apr 18, 2007
most episodes the patients just end up dying it's pretty accurate

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Apr 18, 2007
doctors also have sex with each other all the time

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Apr 18, 2007
obama bad president

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Apr 18, 2007
america bad country

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Apr 18, 2007
western "civilization" indeed

*doesnt give a poo poo about its citizens*

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Apr 18, 2007
i actually support this measure and obama if it was all his idea in the first place because this will drive the usa in to a spiral of self-destruction and suffering from which it will never recover. all hail the collapse of the great satan.

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Apr 18, 2007

Pro-PRC Laowai posted:

but deep down you know that it will pass, politicians will laugh at the idiots who continue to elect them, and the populace will remain complacent, choosing rather to cope than do anything about it.

i don't think it can cope. this will divide america entirely in to the poor and the rich. there will be no middle class because their premiums will be too insurmountable. then society will collapse either in violent rebellion or violent oppression. either way, america is dead and i'm pleased :)

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Apr 18, 2007
america is the rest of the worlds big brother show where we all watch it to see how it can get worse each year by doing more and more stupid poo poo and making the people living in it suffer and who know they will suffer but continue anyway in the hopes of getting lucky and amassing some money

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Apr 18, 2007

Zombie Apocalypse posted:

yeah but we have all the nukes money and unhealthy levels of aggression/xenophobia so the rest of the world is probably hosed

if america started to decline in any serious way they would probably threaten other countries to give them provisions, yes. if it first striked everyone else, aside from annihilating itself from retaliation, there would be massive losses but there would probably be some form of society left in countries outside of the americas.

cool countries like the ones depicted in seminal videogame fallout 3

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Apr 18, 2007

Data posted:

what do you think iraq, afghanistan and iran are about

THE WAR ON TERROR

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Apr 18, 2007
i wish i was france so i wouldn't feel out of place rioting in the streets. at the moment it's just me smashing up cars and setting things on fire ineffectively because of the rain

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Apr 18, 2007

Zombie Apocalypse posted:

actually i think this is what is stopping most americans from doing anything

"i'll join in, but you start first"
"no you!"

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Apr 18, 2007

Rabbi Vole posted:

welp. got to the couple about 25 minutes in where the husband was denied for a marrow transplant and died

yup, sobbing everywhere. at least this is cathartic

i imagine i'm the last one around here who hasn't seen sicko but please, show this poo poo to everyone you know

my dad refuses to watch it because 'michael moore is too melodramatic/a jackass'

it's his best film and the one i insist to people that they watch if i know they haven't watched any michael moore documentaries.

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Apr 18, 2007

JonoT45 posted:

^^^the last part of sicko is about cubas uhc system which is dirt poor and yet they are healthier than americans
oh yeah thats because america has 50000000x more people

the part in cuba is the most :unsmith: thing when they all got the treatment they needed and they just broke down

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Apr 18, 2007

BureaucraticModel13 posted:

Almost everybody in this thread underestimates rich people's power and capacity to undermine everything you stinking socialists think and do. With little exception people don't get to sit on a mountain of cash because they're stupid, and the people that are stupid don't get to sit there very long. And pro tip. Come between them and their money and they can get downright inhuman.

SOCIALISM IS BAD BECAUSE:

1)SOCALISM = EQUALITY = Bringing everyone down to a base GOVERNMENT APPROVED/DECIDED level.

For the bottom rung of society this is very, very good. As for everyone else, including you... I just hope you're not TOO rich.

How? I'll tell you how. Because 'they earned it.'

I can't believe we're having this conversation! Are you people serious! What 'moral entitlement' do they need, your approval? What right do you have to keep your computer? There are lots of people out there that could use it better than you ever could. Oh, you only have one? Well then you can share it, between you and four homeless, that's fair, right?

This whole empathy thing is starting to get stupid. When President Obama says 'everybody's going to have health care and a couple of millionaires are going to pay for it' I seriously thought it was calumny. We're going to take people's money away because they're rich? Where's their empathy? Are we going to exempt black people from this ordeal because of disparate impact? Surely when we say rich we mean to say Rich & White.

2)SOCIALISM = THIEVERY

Wow... just wow. Where do you get that exactly? That is NOWHERE in the Constitution. You'd literally have to cut and paste individual words from the overall word selection found in the Constitution to get it to say anything like that. Discount Rhino you make me sick. Let me reword your post for you...

There you go. That is the most you can legitimately say. Anything more is nonsense.

3)SOCIALISM = FOOLISHLY OPTIMISTIC/SINGLE SIDED ARGUMENTS = IRAQ, ECONOMY FLAVORED

Just last week I passed the Life and Accident/Health insurance test for my state and I can tell you, for every little obligation the government passes DE JURE onto health insurance companies, the more impossible it is for them to offer cheap, simple catastrophe insurance for real emergencies. I hear that some states require PHEROMONE TREATMENT clauses in every policy. IN EVERY POLICY. How is that fair? What if I just want catastrophe coverage, all of the sudden I'm paying XX dollars more a month because I am involuntarily compelled to pay for YEEECH.

4)And ultimately that's what it all boils down to... The socialists want to INVOLUNTARILY COMPEL me to pay for someone else's pheromone treatment. And tomorrow it'll be their sex changes, and their abortions, and on the other side of the coin I'll have to pay for people that have more children than they can afford, not to mention a generally healthy person like me virtually EXISTS in insurance terms to compensate for the ADVERSE SELECTION that this legislation unduly caters to.


I don't believe I'll be responding to this thread, right now I have to get some sleep, and if when I wake up and the thread is ten pages longer then I'll just drop the issue. I could spend days talking and not 'convert' any of you. Instead I'll leave you with this note. Someday I plan on being very rich. It might not happen, I'm certainly not entitled to it happening, but if it does it'll be because of great works. I cannot do great works in Europe because they'd take more than half my money, and certain states in America are pushing the envelope in this department. Make fun of me all you want, but note that that British Billionaire Richard Branson has most of his money in complicated overseas trusts. He is the only great British person I've heard of (that wasn't a politician) and he opted out of their system. That's why SOCIALIZED is a bad word in America. See how spiteful even intensely patriotic people can be when you want to steal their money.


P.S. about pre-existing conditions:
If you absolutely refuse to read the whole thing, at lest read the seventh and eighth paragraphs.

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Apr 18, 2007

Prince of PURRsia posted:

no it didn't

no it just let a rigged election slide and rolled over in complacency

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Apr 18, 2007
huh? you rigged the election and took away our right to elect our own officials? oh well *belly folds down between legs. is burgin'*

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Apr 18, 2007

Prince of PURRsia posted:

In fairness (and i say this not as an apology), it's a lot easier not to give a poo poo after a decade of peace and prosperity when you don't figure planes are going to fly into any buildings and REALLY gently caress things up.

I remember having a conversation with a leftist journalist friend of mine in October '00 where we agreed whoever would be elected in 2000 would be a one-termer, that it would be Gore, and that the best chance for real reform progressives would have would come in '08.

Haha? :shobon:

lol did people really think there was going to be a decade without america waging a war?

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Apr 18, 2007
so is there absolutely no chance obama will veto this, or does he not even have an option at this point? i only want to know because i told one of my friends that obama was a piece of poo poo and he said that obama had no accountability to do with this (although he blamed bush for everything he did during his terms) and because i don't particularly care about the american political system i just had to say "well if obama does something then i'll say he's slightly better than bush"

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Apr 18, 2007

GunnerJ posted:

facebook owns for allowing me to fully realize the insanity, ignorance and inhumanity of my fellow americans, even people i have known to be close friends


all part of a big gay argument after i posted this

delete all of those people from your friends list immediately

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Apr 18, 2007

Swordfish posted:

So I have cancer and am currently getting great care at MD Anderson because my wife is a hotshot lawyer and we pay through the nose for great insurance. If I were to get terminal and we somehow lost our insurance, what would be the best way for me to commit suicide?

assassinate as many rich people as possible. they're all parasites and demons of industry so as long as you know they're rich you're doing the world a favour

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Apr 18, 2007

frest posted:

that dude needs to be deleted IRL with a gun... permanently...

unplug them from the matrix

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Apr 18, 2007
just got done watching sicko again. still awesome.

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Apr 18, 2007

Risky posted:

I re-watched it myself in light of the intensity health care reform is getting these days. I know there are Michael Moore haters that love to pick apart his movies as misinformation but specifically what parts of Sicko do they try to denounce (other than the last 15 minutes of the Cuba stuff). I am a nurse so I see first-hand how bad patients get treated. For the most part a good chunk of the movie is very true of how horrible our health insurance system is.

i'm not sure whether sicko has been denounced or not, and maybe they just try to ignore it's there like all of the other facts and figures that are given to them to prove that uhc is good.

it's his best film and it's a subject that really works well with how he goes about making his documentaries because it doesn't appeal to just having leftists sensibilities it appeals to basic human compassion which he excels at

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Apr 18, 2007

Paint Eater posted:

they were on that poo poo literally within the half hour of the film being screened

i'd never read any backlash about it because i didn't go out looking for it, but i thought as a documentary it presented facts very well that couldn't reasonably be jumped on and i hadn't seen any retaliatory documentaries in response to it like there have been to his other stuff

i never had any doubt however that people supporting insurance companies and the lobbyists would have jumped up and down screaming about it

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Apr 18, 2007
it's also really brilliant in that the entire cuban bit and the parts before with the 9/11 workers and helpers needing aid and not getting it directly conflicts with the right's want to keep their precious insurance company and not wanting to be viewed as making GBS threads all over american heroes

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Apr 18, 2007
democrats? spineless!?

you can hate Republicans all you want, but at least they have loving conviction.

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Apr 18, 2007

Unoriginal Name posted:

why would you spout opponent talking points :bang:

because he incorrectly believes that if he is seen to be agreeing with them then they will agree with him and not just think he's a worthless friend of the family

oh wait, it's actually because he is one of them

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Apr 18, 2007

DaveWoo posted:

republicans: "a public option is socialism!"

democrats: "okay, no public option, we'll do co-ops instead"

republicans: "co-ops are socialism!"

democrats: "co-ops aren't a necessary part of health reform"

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Apr 18, 2007
democrats: "healthcare isn't a necessary part of health reform"

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Apr 18, 2007

Optimus_Rhyme posted:

seriously I hope everyone votes Palin 2012 so we can end this country quickly.

Dear America: Hurry up and become a 3rd world country already!

"become"