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randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden
i would have canceled the appointment on the spot and told them why.

At best you were giving money to a lovely person. But more importantly, if someone's that stupid are you really willing to trust their abilities at actual medicine?

but i'm gonna go ahead and guess this was the only dentist you're allowed to use because freedom

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randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden
is the bill even still active or did they just kinda give up and shelve it when the dems hosed up in the mass election?

randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden

Willie Tomg posted:

well gently caress there goes the next 90 minutes or so

randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden
it'd be fun to make a memorial in front of the white house of how many people have died for lack of health care since obama took office and throw it directly at his feet for cowardice and lack of leadership but even trying anything of the sort would get you gassed and tazered and beaten to poo poo for terrorist unauthorized disturbing the peace and even if someone did it's not like it would ever make any kind of media anyway

randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden
The president never wrote a bill and submitted it to congress, and he never pressured anyone to a more progressive stance, because he was too busy coming down on the democratic leadership in congress to immediately cave any time anyone ever attacked any point of the senate bill from the right. At no point has he ever endorsed anything resembling full-on socialist health care.

The mandates were in the bill written by max baucus. A democrat.

randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden
All you really need for that is the chart that shows how much we spend personally and how much tax money gets spent on health care, the one that shows we spend more in taxes per person than any other country on health care, and also that individuals spend more per person than any other country pays.

Then you just handwave a bit and say if we spent as much per person on healthcare as france or england, what would be left over. then divide that among however many people actually work in insurance and health care.

If we actually did it that way and divided it evenly it would probably make their janitors millionaires.

randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden
aren't dentists usually selected from the group of "people who couldn't get into medical school"

randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden
Getting doctors to dump a ton of medicare patients on their rear end seems like a nice preemptive move to cut support for anyone trying to wave the medicare for all flag

randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden
And that's why temps and contractors are the fastest (only) growing job sector right now because the employer gets all the benefit of their labor with none of the quaint outdated notions of benefits or rights. That's been going on for years, along with the expansion of barely part time for the lower classes of labor like retail.

Right now they still offer plans because up to now it has been a requirement to compete for and retain workers. It's an artifact of the postwar economic boom when there was a shortage of labor. Look outside, who the gently caress needs to actually compete anymore to attract labor?

The democrat's plan will just give them an excuse and an easy scapegoat. Congress isn't even well informed about what's in any of the bills they're working over, so do you really expect the average worker to know that the law doesn't say they're forced to go buy their own poo poo in the "exchange" market when their boss cancels the policy and says so (while keeping the 20k he was spending on each worker's policy).

Long term high unemployment with no end in sight and the expected celebratory premium doublings willa has been predicting upon passage of the bill will shake up the current employer/employee/insurance balance in a lot of ways, but I doubt many of them will be beneficial to the worker.

randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden
it depends on if he's saying that because he supports the actual content of the bills before congress over single payer. If he's just saying "wait and see what the feds do first" then it makes a lot of sense, rather than starting a huge political war trying to create and pay for something without seeing what, if anything is coming from the feds.

randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden
Canadians should start agitating for palin's health care theft to be investigated and billed, with interest

randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden
if only he had the integrity to stand by his statements that drug addicts should be executed

randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden
who actually keeps track of that poo poo did they put cameras in or something to watch amnd mke sure you're all SERIOUS BUSINESS all day every day?

randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden
oh so dont crash your train and you can do whatever you want then still?

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randomnoise
Dec 20, 2004

by mons all madden
the funniest/saddest thing is watching people shilling for HSAs as the solution to people's health care woes like it's some kind of benefit or plan or literally anything but "a savings account you have sitting around waiting for when you get hosed for living in a failed nation"