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Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild

Loztblaz posted:



Oh hey it's my telescope!

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Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild
Last weekend I drove up to Philadelphia to see Galileo's telescope at the Franklin Institute. Pretty cool exhibition, highly recommended for anyone with an interest in not only astronomy, but also history, navigation, geometry, etc.

Now I want a medieval astrolabe, bad.

Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild
Something hit Jupiter and left a black spot, and it's cloudy here! Dammit.

Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild
I gave it a shot tonight but the seeing was horrible. I could barely see the 2 bands, let alone any detail.

Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild

Loztblaz posted:

I was clouded in during the transit, but not before or after, oh well.

Astronomy!

Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild
Oh shi guys



Going to a dark, dark place tonight!

Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild
Well, the forecast was a lie! I had about an hour and a half of clear sky and then it clouded over. But I did get some good observing in. Uranus, Neptune, some galaxies, a couple of globular clusters, plus a failed attempt to locate some comets.

I also saw what must have been the rocket that NASA launched from Wallops Island. For about 2 minutes there was a faint oval of light in the southeastern sky.

Armageddon posted:

I got a laser colmination tool, which I must say is very handy...

Collimate the laser, too. Mine was way off when I got it. Basically, hammer 4 nails into a block of wood to make 2 Xs, rest the laser in the notches, then shine it at the wall and rotate it. If the dot moves, you can adjust the beam with screws that are probably hidden under the label. It makes a big difference. Also, don't trust the factory mirror center spot; it's probably off too. If you pull the primary mirror, you can accurately mark it.

Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild

micron posted:

Another few questions:

Does anyone have any opinion on the "intelliscope" scopes from Orion? For the price of an 8" Orion intelliscope scope I could go up to a 10" regular Orion Dob scope. How much performance wise is a 8" vs 10" and what would you guys do? I can see the use of it but I don't know which is more cost effective.

I've got the 12" Intelliscope, and frankly, I haven't plugged the Intelliscope system in in a year. A Telrad to get you to the right part of the sky and then the 9x50 finder scope in concert with a decent sky atlas is 100% as effective and so much less hassle. Personally, I find it to be more fun as well.

edit: I would take the additional aperture of the 10" over the 8". Assuming pi=3*, the 10" has 75 sq in of aperture vs 48 for the 8". That's a big jump.

* cuz astronomy isn't a science or anything

Bolkovr fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Dec 3, 2009

Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild

micron posted:

I just picked up an 8" intelliscope for 206.50 on ebay (think I did pretty good). I have not picked it up yet but what should I look at or for before payment is made on a used scope? Like what should I inspect etc besides normal broken parts and such?

The mount is melamine-covered chipboard (IKEA furniture, basically). Check it for chips and water damage. Rack the focuser in and out. Shine a light in the tube and look down the tube at the mirror. General dust and such is fine, but big scratches or corrosion are a deal-breaker. You'd probably pay more than $200 to get it recoated. Make sure you get all the parts: tube, mount, the 2 knobs, Intelliscope and cable, finder scope, 26mm and 10mm eyepieces and the collimation cap, which is a plastic piece that fits in the focuser and has a tiny hole in it and reflective foil on the inside. You use that to align the optics, which is really important and also fairly confusing. The manual (which you can download from Orion if you don't have it) talks about it, but you can also google 'reflector collimation' and read up on it. It will make your brain hurt until it clicks and then it becomes easy.

Before it gets dark, take the scope outside and put the 26mm eyepiece in it. Point the scope (not at the Sun!) at a distant treetop or cell tower or whatever. Then using the knobs on the side of the finder scope, adjust the finder scope to also point whatever the main scope is pointing to. Then put in the 10mm and readjust it. That will align the telescope and finder scope. (I point this out only because it's counter-intuitive and trips up a lot of people, myself included, when they first get a telescope)

Neptune is very close to Jupiter right now in the southern sky, so grab a PDF chart and go find a planet.

Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild

INTJ Mastermind posted:

This might be a stupid question, but how big exactly is say a Orion XT-6 or XT-8? Online pictures don't really give me a sense of scale.

Also, how does a Dobsonian mount work? Do I put it on a tripod? Place it on the ground or on a table? If I put the XT-6 on the ground, how high up will the eye piece be? Comfortable enough to view from sitting in a chair? Does the ground have to be perfectly level for this to work?

I'm 5'9". My XT8 comes up to my armpits fully assembled and pointing straight up. The XT6 will be just about the same height.

You will generally put a Dob mount on the ground. With an 6" or 8" you can either kneel on the ground or sit in a chair. I used to stick my XT8 on a milkcrate to get the eyepiece up so I could use it standing up more comfortably. Obviously, if you're viewing something near the horizon you'll be down lower than viewing something at the zenith.

micron posted:

Any opinions on a truss style Dob scope? I see a 8" meade lightbridge for sale about an hour away from me.

If it's used and a good deal, sure, go for it. But if you're buying new, a truss 8" has few benefits over a regular tube 8" unless you only have a Smart Car or something.

Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild
Anyone else unable to shake the impression that Tycho crater is actually the Moon's south pole and the rays are lines of longitude?

Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild
It would be hard to go wrong for $30, but a 60mm scope is really going to be limited to the Moon, planets, and only the brightest deep-space objects, like star clusters. You could probably see several of the brightest nebulae from a reasonable dark area. Galaxies would be barely detectable.

But as a cheap way to get started, go for it. If it's complete and in good shape, you can always pass it on for what you paid for it.

Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild

Jekub posted:


Cygnus Core (Reprocessed) by tmarkuk, on Flickr

There are waaaay too many stars in this picture. It's hard to reconcile the view through the eyepiece from suburbia with long-exposure photographs sometimes.

Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild

Prathm posted:

:science:

That's what I did. They're still no good. Luckily they were cheap, so no great loss.

Are the fields-of-vision perfect circles?

Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild

AceSnyp3r posted:

and it sounds like the Zhumell Z8 is a better deal than the XT8, so I'll probably go with that.

Confirming that the Zhumell is nicer than the Orion.

Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild
Don't underestimate shipping it. The sheet metal tube is very thin and without the mirror cell (you need to remove the mirror and cell for shipping) it's pretty flimsy. You'll need half-moon inserts for the box you ship it in to fully support it. The box the mirror will ship in must be very strong as the mirror is heavy. As for the scope itself, the XT10 is nice. I've got an XT12. But unless you're confident in your relative's packing ability, I would spend the extra $150 on the new scope. You get a better focuser and bearings, but won't have the locator computer.

Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild

Inept posted:

I usually use my scope in fairly light polluted skies, and visible guide stars are few in my area. I figured a finder scope might help in that regard.

I also found a program called Skeye that turns your phone into a Pushto guide. My hopes for it aren't too high though as it uses the magnetometer in your phone, which gets confused by things that screw up magnetic waves, like say a big steel tube.

I love the RACI finder that came with my Orion XT12. From my corner of suburbia, the stars visible in it match exactly what's shown in the Sky & Telescope Pocket Sky Atlas.

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Bolkovr
Apr 20, 2002

A chump and a hoagie going buck wild
If you're in OK City, Astronomics, one of the biggest telescope retailers in the US is in Norman.

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