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Brain Issues
Dec 16, 2004

lol

Palladium posted:

grado stuff has the quality of a small shoddy chinese manufacturing workshop, except made in USA

at least that's what i heard from a chinese audio objectivist video

People need to start giving credit where credit is due to Chinese manufacturing. US manufacturing is crap now for the most part, unfortunately. It's not just Grado.

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Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
isn't the non-rebranded-Chinese Grado stuff literally just made by some dudes in a shoddy basement

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Yeah it's one of their pride points that they've used the same methods to make their stuff since they started making headphones, and the tradition story is catnip to people who want to believe they're supporting a small upstart company fighting the big corporations and not a company so big they're getting brand deals to make Pokemon headphones.


For what it's worth I like Grados enough but I'd never buy anything but their cheapest ones because if you're trying to get balanced sound and not hilarious treble out of Grados you might as well just buy Sennheisers and save yourself a few hundred. Also "we make our own products" has become this weird thing for a bunch of headphone companies. You see Meze do this too, everyone's aping old AKG even though it just means you own your own factory and if that's what matters, so do a bunch of Chinese headphone manufacturers.

RIP Paul Walker
Feb 26, 2004

I use my old SR60’s (the originals I bought in 2002 or so) for setting up vocal EQ for podcasts and training videos. If I can get it sounding good on those, it’ll sound like butter on everything else.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
dammit i kinda want those pokemon phones

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
I like Grados in that I’m collector scum(TM) and think a set of SR-80-whatevers are nice to have in the stable if you’re a weirdo that likes having a different variety of headphones, but lmao at making them or one of their more expensive siblings your only/“endgame” headphones

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


They’re also not really budget any more, at $80 they were a fun novelty but now they start at $100 they’re up against the budget planars and better closed backs.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

njsykora posted:

They’re also not really budget any more, at $80 they were a fun novelty but now they start at $100 they’re up against the budget planars and better closed backs.

apropos of which: what are the choice reasonably priced planars of today? Is it still the Sundara?

Mr. Mercury
Aug 13, 2021



Pretty much, though the QC is hit or miss

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Ok Comboomer posted:

apropos of which: what are the choice reasonably priced planars of today? Is it still the Sundara?

Hifiman do the HE400 which I consider the entry level planar, but I do love the Sundara for $300. It feels like the industry has moved all planar development to IEMs now though where it's the new-ish hotness, the last planar headphone to come out that I felt had any hype around it was the Moondrop Venus but that's $500 so still out of Sundara territory. Then Audeze is still doing stuff but they still haven't figured out what tuning is.

Mr. Mercury posted:

Pretty much, though the QC is hit or miss

Yeah I got told when I got my Sundaras last year that the pads would disintegrate within 6 months but 14 months later they're not even showing signs of wear. QC is always a lottery.

RIP Paul Walker
Feb 26, 2004

Ok Comboomer posted:

apropos of which: what are the choice reasonably priced planars of today? Is it still the Sundara?

I’m liking my he400i+atom amp+ combo, sounds clean and effortless. Take that with a grain of salt tho - All my money has gone towards the speaker setup, I’ve never been *that* into headphones.

Mr. Mercury
Aug 13, 2021



njsykora posted:

Yeah I got told when I got my Sundaras last year that the pads would disintegrate within 6 months but 14 months later they're not even showing signs of wear. QC is always a lottery.

Oh, I was more referring to the random channel death, but the 2020 pads are much improved from the old ones

e. if it hasn't happened within a year you're probably fine fwiw

Mr. Mercury fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Mar 7, 2023

Godzilla07
Oct 4, 2008

Ok Comboomer posted:

apropos of which: what are the choice reasonably priced planars of today? Is it still the Sundara?

I'd say the Sundara is worth saving up for. It's the one headphone Hifiman has figured out how to make reliably, and after demoing a lot of more expensive stuff, anything after Sundara is where diminishing returns start setting in hard. The Sundara also responds very well to EQ in a way that the old standard in that price bracket, the Sennheiser HD6X0, doesn't. With EQ and an amp you can pump in the sort of bass shelf that many popular music genres need for enjoyment, e.g. hip-hop, electronic, pop. The comfort can be kind of a pain though since the earcups don't have much room, and the headband does not have cup swivel.

njsykora posted:

Hifiman do the HE400 which I consider the entry level planar, but I do love the Sundara for $300. It feels like the industry has moved all planar development to IEMs now though where it's the new-ish hotness, the last planar headphone to come out that I felt had any hype around it was the Moondrop Venus but that's $500 so still out of Sundara territory. Then Audeze is still doing stuff but they still haven't figured out what tuning is.

I feel like this is more of a function of how much easier it is to develop IEMs versus headphones. The Chinese IEM manufacturers (Thieaudio, Moondrop) are now discovering how hard it can be to get headphones right. The Venus seems like it's tuned well but the ergonomics are all wrong, a la Audeze, and the Void kinda can't compete with the Sennheisers in that price range. I'm very curious about the Moondrop e-stat, as Topping has developed an energizer to go along with the Moondrop e-stat, and energizers are the real pain in the rear end about e-stats.

I will say that Audeze are learning about tuning. I thought the MM-500 I demoed, while not for me, was generally good if you like a sort of warm-neutral tuning a la HD650/6XX though it's way too expensive. And the Maxwell, while designed as a gaming headset first, had good tuning.

I'm sure Audeze will maintain their classic tunings for audiophiles:

https://twitter.com/ResolveReviews/status/1631355705163923456?s=20

RIP Paul Walker posted:

I’m liking my he400i+atom amp+ combo, sounds clean and effortless. Take that with a grain of salt tho - All my money has gone towards the speaker setup, I’ve never been *that* into headphones.

Every time I see someone on headphone forums get really picky about slam, dynamics, and soundstage, I want to yell "it's time to get speakers!"

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Yeah I neither have the money nor space to have a decent speaker setup, also being a night worker I'm not usually listening at civilised hours. Hence headphones.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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njsykora posted:

Yeah I neither have the money nor space to have a decent speaker setup, also being a night worker I'm not usually listening at civilised hours. Hence headphones.

iLoud micro monitors are small, cheap, sounds amazing and works well on low volumes. First hand experience

Palladium fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Mar 8, 2023

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Palladium posted:

iLoud micro monitors are small, cheap, sounds amazing and works well on low volumes. First hand experience

there’s better for the money with passives + an amp/receiver and better bang for buck with other monitors/computer speakers

iLouds are cool but they really make sense as travel/field monitors for pros that need them or for a really space constrained production desktop. Somebody on a budget/looking to fill a room with sound could go with a pair of JBL 305 for bigger or Audioengine A2+ for smaller and spend $50-$100 less.

RIP Paul Walker
Feb 26, 2004

Palladium posted:

iLoud micro monitors are small, cheap, sounds amazing and works well on low volumes. First hand experience

Even cheaper option for low volume night listening is the Bose Companion 2*, especially if you buy them used. I’ve got electrostats, 5 subwoofers, and everything managed by Dirac in the living room and still like mine in my tiny office after 12 years. Bose does funny things with DSP and bass response that does a great job tricking your brain into thinking you’re hearing deep bass. I’ve tried the iLouds and they sound “better” but not as well-rounded.

*the DSP is tuned for desk use, so have them on a hard flat surface like a desk or dresser for best bass performance.

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


I've found that some decent calibration removes a lot of the need to crank the volume but then again I use a cinema amp with a separate sub for music so it will auto level itself.

Also audiophiles hate the idea of someone listening to music on a cinema amp, and to make it worse I cast to it to do it :twisted:

Animale
Sep 30, 2009
Spotify Connect on my Denon receiver is just so easy.

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer
Oh yeah 90% of my "streaming" is just to my Onkyo receiver via Chromecast. CD Quality through Chromecast is plenty :sun:

Learn this one weird trick audiophiles don't want you to know!

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

I’ve started streaming to my tv instead of my receiver because I get album art

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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i play youtube from my phone by LDAC BT to my Topping D50S like a maladjusted individual

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Palladium posted:

i play youtube from my phone by LDAC BT to my Topping D50S like a maladjusted individual

Me too, do you notice sync issues? I don't

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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redeyes posted:

Me too, do you notice sync issues? I don't

yes there's wee bit of audio lag with respect to the video if i listened carefully but otherwise my brain filters it out

steckles
Jan 14, 2006

qirex posted:

I’ve started streaming to my tv instead of my receiver because I get album art

I started with a home made raspberry pi streamer but then switched to my TV for album art. Then I had too much album art and if using the Spotify app, it would tell you facts and stuff and that was distracting, so I eventually got a good deal on a Cambridge Audio CXN V2. It’s got a tiny little screen for just the right amount of album art and the TVless vibes are correct again. Thanks for listening to my journey.

YerDa Zabam
Aug 13, 2016



Now you got me thinking about a Pi, with a square screen just for cover art. Seems that 4" is the largest though.
I guess a larger 16:10 could display a cover-flow type interface quite nicely, hmmm

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

Adolf Glitter posted:

Now you got me thinking about a Pi, with a square screen just for cover art. Seems that 4" is the largest though.
I guess a larger 16:10 could display a cover-flow type interface quite nicely, hmmm
Square might be hard to find but you can get some really nice 4:3 displays out of older iPads, 9.7" 2048x1536 and they use Embedded Displayport so they're really easy to connect to a PC. It's possible to rig up an adapter to normal DisplayPort, or there are easy to find controllers that'll give you a HDMI input to feed from a Pi or whatever. Amazon, eBay, Aliexpress, etc are full of bundles of a display plus controller, they're popular among retro emulator enthusiasts.

steckles
Jan 14, 2006

Adolf Glitter posted:

Now you got me thinking about a Pi, with a square screen just for cover art. Seems that 4" is the largest though.
I guess a larger 16:10 could display a cover-flow type interface quite nicely, hmmm
Now that I think of it, a 12" square screen for showing cover art that you could stick on a vinyl stand would be extremely stupid but I'd totally buy one.

You could sell a subscription service to provide 300dpi images of covers for it so that audiophiles with ten grand worth of streaming gear could more closely replicate the vinyl experience.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Plex does it for me for free already.

Wayne Knight
May 11, 2006

I would love to set up a raspberry pi with the Plexamp image and a screen, but I have yet to find an enclosure that wouldn’t look like poo poo on a shelf.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Wayne Knight posted:

I would love to set up a raspberry pi with the Plexamp image and a screen, but I have yet to find an enclosure that wouldn’t look like poo poo on a shelf.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004847475818.html

8in 4:3 with HDMI/VGA etc for under $100

spookygonk
Apr 3, 2005
Does not give a damn


I have a case from an old Mac Classic and one of these (7" or 8") would fit nicely in there.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Godzilla07 posted:

Every time I see someone on headphone forums get really picky about slam, dynamics, and soundstage, I want to yell "it's time to get speakers!"

especially when the audio gods has blessed us with the LSR305 and the 305p for nearly 10 years

steckles
Jan 14, 2006

I picked up a MiniDSP DDRC-24 a while back and finally had a chance to get Dirac set up this weekend. Pretty striking difference with a big improvement in the soundstage and the few muddy low frequencies that plagued the room are gone now and I also added a bass boosted profile for low volume listening. I'm happy, but honestly spending hundreds of dollars for an, in the grand scheme of things, incremental improvement in sound quality borders on worthy of ridicule.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc422iIvCcY

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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tweaking for onboard lmao

when a spectacularly good combo DAC + HP amp such as the topping DX1 is like what, $100?

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Palladium posted:

tweaking for onboard lmao

when a spectacularly good combo DAC + HP amp such as the topping DX1 is like what, $100?

The extra LOL is that it has NEC TOKIN capacitors on it. Ie quite well known by PS3 modders to be a somewhat frequent cause of failure in original PS3s

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

Humphreys posted:

The extra LOL is that it has NEC TOKIN capacitors on it. Ie quite well known by PS3 modders to be a somewhat frequent cause of failure in original PS3s

Lol what were they tokin

movax
Aug 30, 2008

Humphreys posted:

The extra LOL is that it has NEC TOKIN capacitors on it. Ie quite well known by PS3 modders to be a somewhat frequent cause of failure in original PS3s

The POSICAPs? Those are extra low ESR bulk caps used on ASIC / CPU logic rails typically; I was putting those into designs around the 2009-2010 timeframe.

Wonder how they are doing now…

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Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Humphreys posted:

The extra LOL is that it has NEC TOKIN capacitors on it. Ie quite well known by PS3 modders to be a somewhat frequent cause of failure in original PS3s

i like the tweako crowd obsessing at electrolytic DC filter capacitors that aren't even in the critical signal chain, when crossovers in passive speakers are built around capacitors with a manufacturing variance of +/- 5% or even 10%

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