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HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

madprocess posted:

It's not like FLAC is really significantly smaller.

FLAC and ALAC are about 50% smaller, on average. That's significant.

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HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

sephiroth669 posted:

Holy poo poo. I swear I had this idea back when I was in high school or something. I used to think it would be really cool if you could like take some super ultra dpi scan of a record's surface and reproduce the sound from that. Could'a been rich :(

Works okay for old mono recordings.

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

eddiewalker posted:

"I don't think optical would give you any benefit. Coaxial might, but sound cards aren't really fantastic when it comes to digital"

Let's break this down: -computers- suck at -digital-

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f5/compass-thread-new-428729/index49.html#post6164407

I tried arguing with a logical explanation, but for some reason he's a highly regarded poster.

The exact same thing happened to me in the Zero DAC thread over there last year. Apparently there's a significant difference between a $20 TOSLINK cable and a $150 one. God forbid you bring up DBT!

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

Spoondrift posted:

I'm playing devil's advocate somewhat here, but I'm pretty sure the whole "digital = no chance for imperfection" idea is patently wrong. A DAC is like any other circuit in that it has no inherent understand of bits. Voltages representing bits go in and an analog signal voltage comes out. Imperfections in those voltages going in will change the output.

Bits are zeros and ones. If there isn't voltage, that's a zero. If there is, that's a one. Either there is voltage or there isn't.

Not to mention your point doesn't even stand if you're talking about optical. Either there's light or there isn't. As long as the light is getting to the other end unobstructed, it doesn't make a difference if it's through a $5 fiber cable or a $500 one.

Plus, if some of the bits weren't making it down the tube, it wouldn't change the tone of the sound, it would create a lot of high pitch static and cutouts.

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

Spoondrift posted:

The DAC has no notion of "1". The DAC has no notion of "0". The DAC is an analog circuit that turns voltages into other voltages.

What? Of course the DAC has a notion of 1 and 0... It's a digital to analog converter.

S/PDIF transmits 20-bit data via biphase mark code. When using coaxial, 0.5-1v represents a 1, anything below that is a 0.

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

Spoondrift posted:

A resistor ladder is a digital-to-analog converter that clearly has no notion of bits and clearly produces a different output voltage depending on variations in the input voltages.

I'm totally open to opposing arguments here but all I'm getting is "...but it's DIGITAL!"

But the DACs used in the amplifiers we're talking about aren't resistor ladders...

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

blugu64 posted:

What will the people who sell audiophile grade cables say to wireless streaming! (audiophile grade wireless cards and antennas)

They're already selling something like this to gamers.

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

King Hotpants posted:

:siren: MOD CHALLENGE! :siren:

2. Take a picture of yourself doing or holding at least five pick-related things. No two can be the same.

Oh, and if someone else completes one of these challenges before you do, you get banned. Hooray!


Here I am picking which shirt to wear.


Here I am picking my nose!


Here I am picking a lovely flower. :3:


Here I am picking some rocks, like some sort of convict on a chain gang!


Here I am air picking my mother loving air guitar like some sort of air rockstar! :black101:

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

King Hotpants posted:

Time has expired. timb, if there are any forum upgrades you are lacking, I'll give you a free one in exchange for your hilarious hard work.

Thanks! I'm all upgraded, however I would like to get an custom title for someone else. Can I PM you the details?

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

eddiewalker posted:

Are you arguing whether metal corrodes? I just pulled this out of my trash. It's only a year or so old, but quit making a reliable connection due to corrosion.


(I didn't solder that. It's ugly but was functional before it met the elements.)

Do you live on a houseboat or something? What the gently caress...

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

fishmech posted:

If I could only find some way to combine audiophile bullshit with a cult I'd be the richest rear end in a top hat on earth.

Steve Jobs beat you to that.

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

qirex posted:

Needle tracking in zero gravity requires too much force and I don't want to burn up my 180 gram records.

Just read it with a laser.

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006
I want to start a forum where we ONLY allow DBT.

I swear, we're like Audiophile Atheists.

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

longview posted:

Looks like they took one of the FE-5680As you can get for $50 on ebay and put it in a box.

If you're doing super sensitive studio work it might make sense to have a common reference clock to synchronize digital equipment, but an atomic clock that costs $6000 is pretty drat overkill.

poo poo, I should get a cheap rack mount enclosure and try to sell these for like $3000.

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006
You see, over time, due to solar flares and cosmic background radiation, a hard drive's magnet platter slowly becomes demagnetized, thus fidelity loss in audio tracks.

A true audiophile will rip the CDs to WAV and then compress those into a RAR with a checksum and store it on a DVD-RW which is kept in a lead-lined safe. The checksums and RAR are stored on separate DVDs and kept in separate vaults, mind you.

This needs to be a thing. Let's all go over to Head-Fi and convince them.

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006
No, you're a music enthusiast. Audiophiles are gullible by their very nature.

Even though the -phile suffix means "to love something" it still has negative connotations for post people. Pedophiles, audiophiles, japanophiles.

People who like "Barely Legal" porn aren't pedophiles, they're just young pussy enthusiasts.

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

Jerry Cotton posted:

Speaker positioning is extremely important, though, I'm not arguing against it. Speakers are almost always the weakest link after the actual recording, anyway. I don't think I'll ever have speakers that give me the same sort of detail (as in "bits I didn't hear before") that I can get through my headphones.

Basically this. I spent around $800 on a high end pair of Sennheisers and a nice USB/TOS DAC/Amp (Audio-gd Compass).

The amp is actually Chinese, but very nice. It has socketed op-amps, which allows you to easily fiddle with it to get, for lack of a better term, the sound temperature, to your liking. I ended up re-soldering a few connections because at the end of the day it's still made in China with lovely flux-core solder. I also replaced the volume potentiometer to get rid of balance issues at lower volume levels, in addition to static.

I maybe put a few hours work and $15 worth of parts in. I figure this is the best I'm going to get without getting into crazy audiophile territory.

You see people on Head-Fi comparing all these different amps, but what they don't realize is there's only so many ways to make a semi-conductor based amp. It's really all about using quality parts and workmanship.

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006
When it comes to car enthusiasts, I hear poo poo like crisp highs and good low frequency response and poo poo bandied about by idiots with a Sony head unit from Walmart.

Audiophile terminology catches on with people because it makes them sound like they know what they're talking about. You see the same thing with computers too.

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

Ron Burgundy posted:

I can't believe the states still don't have hard wired earth pins, or at least one way keyed plugs :australia:

We do.

On polarized non-grounded devices one pin is larger than the other.

Obviously devices with a ground pin can only go in one way.

The only time you see non-polarized plugs is on lamps or electronics that will fix the polarity on their own.

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006
Why do you need four tone arms?

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

Combat Pretzel posted:

If that's true, it's a plus.

But anyway, if the encodings are transparent, there's economically nothing gained by keeping bit-perfect FLACs. Because it's sure as hell a pain in the rear end, whenever I have to do a full backup of my poo poo, and it's only around 35GB of compressed music. It'd be 3-4x that in FLAC.

Transcoding into every new codec of the month is also silly. If the current contemporary codec did well/transparent enough, you can keep the file in that format. Says already enough that MP3 is still prevalent, even after AAC been made mainstream years ago thanks to Apple. Don't even begin hoping that CELT goes anywhere, IETF RFC or not. Vorbis didn't manage, either.

I rip everything to ALAC so I have a 1:1 copy of my CD collection. Storage space is cheap and if you're doing full backups instead of incremental ones then you're doing it wrong.

I also don't think any of us are re-transcoding our collections every month or whatever; there's actually software that will transcode on the fly when you sync your portable device. In fact, iTunes will even do it. That's how ubiquitous it is now.

Hell, I don't even have to sync my iPhone anymore with iTunes Match. I keep a FLAC copy of my collection on a master system and the rest of my computers and devices just stream a 256 AAC version from the cloud.

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006
What do you think the SegaCD is for? :smugdog:

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

Egg in soup posted:

8-bit perfect reproduction. :smuggo:

I prefer routing through an NES, it really widens that 8-bit sound stage, you know?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqlg9Mv0dgI

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006
Yeah, I rip everything to ALAC. If I'm syncing an iPod then iTunes will transcode it to 256kbps AAC on the fly. If I'm listening on my iPhone it's all coming from iTunes Match, so I'm getting Apple's 256kbps AAC masters streamed directly to my phone. That means I use even less data and I can still have my lossless files at home.e

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HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006
It makes me angry that these old dudes spend tens of thousands of dollars on audio gear and most likely can't hear for poo poo anyway.

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