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Quickshanks
Oct 3, 2011

So damned good.

Yeah this is definitely one of my dumber purchases, and I didn't even get it dirt cheap like you'd think, because gunbroker bidders are idiots. In fact I paid way too much. It had three things going for it though, that all together managed to tip me over the edge: A. it came with some stags that went way too well with the scuzzied up finish. B. it was at the shop right down the street from me, so I could at least go and make sure the internals and rifling were still jake before committing.



And C, well...



Six rounds of 9mm +P++ in a donut shaped clip that loads all six exactly as fast as it'd normally take to load one chamber, plus a finish I care about scuffing or wearing even less than your average posurp Glock makes for a pretty classy pocket carry. I look at it now and then and wonder what the gently caress I was thinking, but it's growing on me. Like melanoma.

I'll probably leave the stags on it for now, though.

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tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

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Fun Shoe

One more picture. I broke in the Sunday Gun!



Dirty Cowshorties are nothing. Dirty Cowboys are snappy and fun. Magtech 44 magnums are a little hurty where the grip is open at the back, but any factory 44 magnum is hurty, so I'll just wear gloves when I wanna get all silly with this thing.

But it's just so pretty. So now I have my pretty Sunday Gun stocks, and I have my comedy option Sledge Hammer stocks, and I have the boring but comfortable (especially with hotter 44 magnum loads) stock stocks.

Is this... normal?

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

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tarlibone posted:

One more picture. I broke in the Sunday Gun!



Dirty Cowshorties are nothing. Dirty Cowboys are snappy and fun. Magtech 44 magnums are a little hurty where the grip is open at the back, but any factory 44 magnum is hurty, so I'll just wear gloves when I wanna get all silly with this thing.

But it's just so pretty. So now I have my pretty Sunday Gun stocks, and I have my comedy option Sledge Hammer stocks, and I have the boring but comfortable (especially with hotter 44 magnum loads) stock stocks.

Is this... normal?

You are headed toward normal. Let me know when you double the amount of grips and have at least four different holsters for that thing.

Quickshanks
Oct 3, 2011

So damned good.

Man. somebody really needs to breed / genetically modify a tagua palm so it will produce nuts big enough that they can be used to make grips.

If anyone doesn't know what i am talking about, there is a kind of palm tree in South America / Panama that produces these huge rear end, ridiculously dense, and nigh invincible nuts. I think they start out green, but when baked or dried or whatever, the "fruit" of the nut turns into an extremely dense, extremely solid, ivory white material that has an entire Panamanian art form developed around them -- carving them into little figures just like Chinese netsukes but not out of actual ivory. They even call the material "vegetable ivory." Of course, it doesn't quite measure up to actual ivory, but it comes closer than literally any other faux ivory or substitute material i have ever handled.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363345390158 example

When I heard the stuff existed, just to see how it compares and to have maybe as a desk toy, I bought a half dozen on ebay with the bark still on for barely like 15 bucks for the whole lot. Decided I would save some money and sand them down myself to the solid white material. As i was about 80% done, the remaining bark started to form these beautiful swirly patterns and I decided i would be crazy not to just stop right there.



It is super satisfying as a desk toy, just to roll about in my hand as I work. Pushes many of the same buttons a good pair of ivory grips does. Every time I do I think how tragic it is that they aren't just a little bit bigger and about all the wild avenues in the custom grips industry it would open up if they were. Even if they were still only big enough to make the pocket pistol size grips like for a Colt Mustang or SIG P238 or whatever, they would make for one of the top tier grip materials in my opinion -- better than any faux ivory, any hardwood, or even giraffe bone or stag. If I ever end up with some kind of derringer or something with super tiny grips (like an NAA mini revolver, which would be a perfect candidate now that I think about it), I would be asking every custom grip maker i could if they would make me a a tiny set of grips out of a customer supplied tagua nut.

Also, even better still, it's my understanding that it is far and away one of the most environmentally conscious mediums. I mean, the poo poo literally grows on trees. Instead of cutting down a tree to make it, the tree gives the poo poo away, and instead of helping to deplete a rain forest, like cocobolo or whatever, it it helps the opposite because the more thriving, wild trees there are in the forest, the more the locals can gather and sell, so it's actually in the local's best interest to protect the trees for once instead of cut them down.


I guess the only drawback is maybe that if the material gets wet, the surface instantly gets this kind of gross wrinkly feel for some reason -- which I learned after I let my baby niece play with mine, got it back all sticky, and then washed it under a tap, ,but I immediately brought it back to buttery smooth with a light sanding with some 5000 grit wet and dry. I would imagine some kind of protective coating would also eliminate the issue.

Quickshanks fucked around with this message at 09:24 on May 17, 2021

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



I know it would break up the pattern a bit, but I wonder if you could cut one of those into slices and then trim and arrange the slices to make a grip. Then bed the whole thing in a light layer of epoxy, maybe put another thin layer over the top to seal it.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"




That brings up an interesting point - Are there woods currently being harvested for firearm grips that really shouldn't be? I have zero issue with a grip being made out of a piece of wood that's just sitting there. But stuff that is currently depleting a finite supply isn't great, if it's happening at all.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

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Fun Shoe

That question might be more loaded than you think. Just a couple years ago, a lot of guitar manufacturers had to switch from using rosewood for fingerboards to power pao ferro and other dark woods that weren't ebony or rosewood. The reason? Suddenly it was bad to harvest rosewood according to... I don't even know.

I just know it was a whole thing, the supply chain got messed up, and I think even right now the standard Fender non-maple fingerboards necks are pao ferro. They may have changed that though.

Then, just as quickly as it began, it all ended. I'm pretty sure they're back to using rosewood.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"




tarlibone posted:

That question might be more loaded than you think. Just a couple years ago, a lot of guitar manufacturers had to switch from using rosewood for fingerboards to power pao ferro and other dark woods that weren't ebony or rosewood. The reason? Suddenly it was bad to harvest rosewood according to... I don't even know.

I just know it was a whole thing, the supply chain got messed up, and I think even right now the standard Fender non-maple fingerboards necks are pao ferro. They may have changed that though.

Then, just as quickly as it began, it all ended. I'm pretty sure they're back to using rosewood.

Truth be told, I'm pretty partial to pao ferro.



While I don't consider myself active enough to deserve the label of environmentalist (one of my deceased uncles was in Green Peace in the 80's when they were drat near a terrorist group), I'll err on the side of protecting the environment whenever possible.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

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Fun Shoe

Here is an article that gives a decent overview to the rosewood issue from a few years ago that I was talking about.

Basically, Brazilian rosewood's exportation had been heavily restricted since 1992, and those restrictions were similar to ones for ivory. Then in 2016, the people in charge of such things noticed that other trees are also called rosewood, and illegal logging was still a thing, so they set up a permit system. Those permit requirements suddenly applied to massive amounts of raw materials and finished products that had never been restricted before, and shortages followed.

Companies like Fender have apparently permanently reduced the amount of rosewood they are using in their product lines. Pau ferro is a popular go-to option because of its similar properties to rosewood.

Styles Bitchley
Nov 13, 2004

FOR THE WIN FOR THE WIN FOR THE WIN

Trees are easy. Forests....ecosystems....not so much.

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Apr 25, 2015


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Captain Log posted:

Truth be told, I'm pretty partial to pao ferro.



While I don't consider myself active enough to deserve the label of environmentalist (one of my deceased uncles was in Green Peace in the 80's when they were drat near a terrorist group), I'll err on the side of protecting the environment whenever possible.

Love these hogue Pau Ferro grips for the 686+

Dr_0ctag0n fucked around with this message at 03:04 on May 18, 2021

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



Captain Log posted:

That brings up an interesting point - Are there woods currently being harvested for firearm grips that really shouldn't be? I have zero issue with a grip being made out of a piece of wood that's just sitting there. But stuff that is currently depleting a finite supply isn't great, if it's happening at all.

Tons. And tons and tons and tons. Any kind of tropical or exotic wood is high up the list of poo poo that's very likely to be harvested unethically at best, and disastrously (in an environmental sense) far too often.

Even the more common North American trees are just getting hosed by it. Short version is that burl wood (the knotty bits) sells for quite a bit to people who carve things, and burl poachers will go out onto public lands and either fell trees just to grab the burl (usually a couple feet of trunk near the ground) or cut chunks of burl right out, killing the tree in the process.

Here's a California Redwood that's been hit, for example.



That' tree's still alive, but chances are it's loving dead in a bit.

It's not something restricted to national parks or thousand+ year old redwoods either. I've got an acquaintance up in Canada who has come across more than one maple tree felled by burl poaches just this year.

It's one of those things where it's possible to get burl wood (exotics, etc) ethically and without loving up forests, but as a consumer you have to at least be willing to ask the question of where the wood was sourced from.

Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 02:29 on May 18, 2021

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

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Fun Shoe

This is one of the reasons I'm a fan of dyed & laminated designs. The colors don't have to have super-high contrast, either. I love the charcoal ruby boot grips on my Model 63.




Not gonna lie, though. I love the natural patterns, too. I wonder if they have some good curly maple grips in blueburst... and why do I always go to guitar tops for ideas?

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



Check out Fordite if you’re into colors and patterns.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

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Fun Shoe

Pretty! I forgot that was a thing.

Heather gems would also make nice stocks.

flightless greeb
Jan 28, 2016



Do these look like the right grips for a Model 19 no dash? https://www.ebay.com/itm/203364101665?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Also I may have quite a bit of content for this thread soon!!

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

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Fun Shoe

They look good to me. I think I liked that set for my 10-6, but I got my 629 some Sunday Best instead.

Did the Model 19 ever come with the puny service panel grips as standard?

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

DRINK MORE MOXIE




tarlibone posted:

Pretty! I forgot that was a thing.

Heather gems would also make nice stocks.



Fordite most definitely is a thing for handgun grips and stocks!

And for wheelgun content:

Quickshanks
Oct 3, 2011

So damned good.

Man. I got to learn to stay the gently caress off ebay. This is getting ri-goddamn-dicalus.





https://www.coltforum.com/threads/dan-chesiak-r-i-p.381560/

Quickshanks
Oct 3, 2011

So damned good.

tarlibone posted:

But for that matter... why not just have a full grip out of micarta that fills in the void behind the trigger guard, totally eliminating the need for an adapter? Did Tyler or anyone else make those?

Late response, but I suspect or feel like the shape of the "factory" Pachmayr Ruger Speed Six rubber grip with the finger grooves is basically intended to exactly replicate the basic silhouette of factory round butt grip plus a Tyler T grip. The finger grooves are all basically the same size and shape.

If you mean did Tyler ever make full "target" size micartas for revovlers then yeah and I have a few decent sets. They are only about as ergonomic as any of the later, non-coke swell S&W target stocks, but they aren't completely terrible.


It's a shame he didn't give them more of a palm swell style contour because in addition to being more ergonomic, it would have also made for a much more interesting grain pattern since you'd see more of the transitions between layers.

While on the subject, here is some more Old Yeller on stainless doesn't-deserve-to-look-so goodness.

Someday I wanna pair that with one of these:



Also here is some jigged boners just to show them off.

Quickshanks fucked around with this message at 08:35 on May 29, 2021

Quickshanks
Oct 3, 2011

So damned good.

Also, as I expected, these are indeed the good stuff:



My best guess is someone commissioned these as a raffle prize to give away at some club meet or at some Ohio gun show for people who signed up as members of the Ohio Gun Collectors rear end.. And then I can only assume the guy who won them didn't actually have a 1911 to put them on, because they appear to be unused.

Personally I am just amazed that someone went to the trouble of commissioning a pair of custom scrimshawed ivory grips from Dan Chesiak (founder of Nutmeg Sports and former head of the Colt Custom Shop), but the only thing they bothered to get him to put on them is a boring logo and a really boring sketch of a plaque with some arbitrary anniversary dates on it. I mean it is kind of like hiring Michelangelo to whitewash your fence.

The dude put the Bad rear end in Bas Relief.
https://www.nutmegsports.com/ivory_grips_fr.htm


(those are carvings not scrimshaw)

Quickshanks fucked around with this message at 08:49 on May 29, 2021

Final Blog Entry
Jun 23, 2006

"Love us with money or we'll hate you with hammers!"

My Pre-10 has been wearing these handsome micartas for a few years



And one day I'll finally buy a 1911 to put these things on



Nice finds Quickshanks, always impressed by the hidden treasures you manage to snag

flightless greeb
Jan 28, 2016



I intimated about it and even posted some of the guns in other threads but here are 3 of the 4 revolvers I've recently picked up:

S&W 2nd Model Hand Ejector ~circa 1915-17



.455 Webley 6.5" bbl revolver made for a British contract by S&W during WWI. Even found a cache of .455 Webley to shoot out of it so now I'm on the hunt for an actual Webley revolver as well. This one appears to have the original grips on it which the last one of these I owned didn't. It is absolutely beat to poo poo but appears to be still in acceptable functioning mechanical condition. Album: https://imgur.com/a/pJY6ddH

S&W Victory ~circa 1942-45



This is the one I was excited to show this thread. I bought it basically because of the grips - I can't tell if M. SQT is a misspelling of an abbreviation for Master Sergeant or something else. Note the backwards S in LEWIS. Album: https://imgur.com/a/tlq6pjf

Heres the other side:



and lastly but not leastly a S&W Model 19 No Dash ~1960



This marks my 3rd 4" Model 19, which really overall is my favorite revolver, proportionally. Album here: https://imgur.com/a/8PirAi0 I started with a Model 19-5 I bought for $550 used in 2007 (https://imgur.com/a/3nXq1) then when that was gone I eventually upgraded to a Model 19 No Dash for $600 in 2013 (https://imgur.com/a/F5jOF). Like a fool I sold that off and then got incredibly lucky finding this one for $375 out the door at a store up in Washington earlier this month. It needed work (the cylinder had trouble turning on a couple of chambers) and came with ugly but practical rubber Pachmayer grips but I met a random guy off the S&W forum who helped me get it working and then found these diamond target grips on ebay for $75 which have some pretty big chips out of them but whatever, the gun isn't in anything like pristine condition so I think it fits.

I realize now that while I really love the look of target grips, they're just a tad big for my hand size - I'll keep them on here because 4" Model 19 + Target Grips is such a perfect visual combo to me but I'll probably end up shooting the 4th revolver I bought recently more, if it turns out to be in good shape (picking it up on Monday).

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

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Fun Shoe

Altamont makes some thinner-profile grips that fit the target category fairly well. I think the Bateleur series might work. Most of them are out-of-stock at the company website, but you can often find them on eBay.

Very nice revolvers. Thanks for the wheelgunporn!

flightless greeb
Jan 28, 2016



Thanks for the tip about ebay - I've found some altamonts I'm interested in on gunbroker but I'll keep an eye out there as well. I'm thinking I'll leave the grips on the 19 alone since it probably isn't going to get shot a ton and instead focus most of my 38 thru this next gun. As I mentioned (threatened?) I've bought an unconscionable number of revolvers in the last month, so heres another one.

Smith & Wesson Pre-Model 27



Manufactured some time between 1954-55 it has all the neat older features, being a 5-screw with recessed cylinder and a pinned barrel. Lock-up is good and end shake is nearly non-existant. I took a bit of a gamble on it on gunbroker for $750 since the ad didn't have very good photos plus the seller mentioned the front sight had been filed down. I couldn't tell if it was original finish from the ad but it certainly looks to be in person.

Amazing how just changing your angle a little can make the bluing look completely different:



The ad also mentioned he thought the stocks had been sanded down:



Looking at them in person I don't think thats the case, they just seem like smooth target profile grips to me. They aren't numbered on the inside so I don't think they're sanded down original coke bottles or anything like that.





Recessed cylinder above, with S prefix serial.

Some wise friends indicated they thought the barrel might have been cut down as well since normally the front sights on these guns have two pins? That'd be something I'd be interested in having confirmed either here or thru a letter if necessary. The gun has a 5" barrel as is and if it's cut down it appears to be fine work. The balance and heft of this thing are really something. My first revolver was a 6" Model 28 and I never really cared for it - something about it seemed too bulky and silly when all I was shooting was 38s. Maybe I've matured since then or maybe 5" and a premium blue finish make all the difference but so far, I really like this thing. Front sight in question:





Barrel crown:



Full album here: https://imgur.com/gallery/G31ufud

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

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That's amazing.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

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Fun Shoe

Nice pictures! I'll check out the album when I'm off my phone. One thing about your post bothers me, though.

flightless greeb posted:

As I mentioned (threatened?) I've bought an unconscionable number of revolvers in the last month, ...

Did you, though? I mean, is that even a thing?

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

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tarlibone posted:

Nice pictures! I'll check out the album when I'm off my phone. One thing about your post bothers me, though.
Did you, though? I mean, is that even a thing?

Yeah, I'm gonna go with "no" on that. I don't even know how many revolvers I own at this point. Nowhere near Sixgun Strumpet levels, but definitely more than I "need" in the strictest sense. But "need" is a funny word. I have a handful of cowboy guns for general familiarity, cowboy shoots, and just because they're fun. I have a handful of "service" revolvers; same reasons as above except insert IDPA and IPSC instead of cowboy shoots. I have a handful of snubs for the same reason as I have service revolvers, plus they're easier to carry. I have a 6" .38 for bullseye matches. And I have a .44 Mag for hikes in bear country. I probably missed some, but that's at least eleven revolvers right there.

But then are we talking about unconscionable inventory numbers, or unconscionable purchases?

flightless greeb
Jan 28, 2016



I've purchased five revolvers in one month which is certainly unsustainable rate of purchase, if not also unconscionable.

poeticoddity
Jan 14, 2007
"How nice - to feel nothing and still get full credit for being alive." - Kurt Vonnegut Jr. - Slaughterhouse Five

flightless greeb posted:

I've purchased five revolvers in one month which is certainly unsustainable rate of purchase, if not also unconscionable.
After one time waking up to a note saying the following:

Drunk PoeticOddity posted:

[PoeticOddity],
You bought two handguns on the internet.
Smooches,
-Drunk [PoeticOddity]
I made a rule for myself that I would never buy a firearm until I'd shot the last firearm I bought.
This rule has been frustrating at times, especially when something went back in stock for the first time in months immediately after another purchase, but I'd guess that it's prevented over $5K in impulse purchases since I implemented it.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

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Fun Shoe

Picking up my wife's Future-Gun today (relative to my preferences), I saw an Uberti 45 LC trio. One was a convertible style with an open top, the other two were standard SAA clones, all in 45 LC. One was color case hardened, another looked like matte brass and blued steel. It was of course cheaper, and I really wanted it, but do I want to get into a caliber that, even at the best of times, will be hard to find ammo for? I think they also make these in 357, and I've been wanting another 357.

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tarlibone posted:

Picking up my wife's Future-Gun today (relative to my preferences), I saw an Uberti 45 LC trio. One was a convertible style with an open top, the other two were standard SAA clones, all in 45 LC. One was color case hardened, another looked like matte brass and blued steel. It was of course cheaper, and I really wanted it, but do I want to get into a caliber that, even at the best of times, will be hard to find ammo for? I think they also make these in 357, and I've been wanting another 357.

I scratched that itch by getting a Blackhawk convertible with .45LC and .45ACP cylinders.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

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Fun Shoe

infrared35 posted:

I scratched that itch by getting a Blackhawk convertible with .45LC and .45ACP cylinders.

I remember that! Didn't you have issues with how the 45 ACP cylinder was cut? Someone here did. I know they ended up making it right.

I do load for 45 ACP. I wonder if I can find one of those Blackhawks used for a not insane price. I mean, I really want a SAA in a big boy caliber. I even though about a Super Blackhawk so I can try out those crazy-hot 44 mag rounds, but I gotta level with ya--full-power 44 magnum out of my 629 are not comfortable. I can only imagine how much "fun" it would be to fire those really hot ones. But I feel like I want one in 44 mag just so my levergun can have an old-timey buddy, you know?

So that means I need a 357 SAA because I love that caliber, a 44 mag one to go with my R92, and a 45 LC/45 ACP convertible because peer pressure.

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tarlibone posted:

I remember that! Didn't you have issues with how the 45 ACP cylinder was cut? Someone here did. I know they ended up making it right.

Bought mine used through gunbroker and have had zero issues with it. Fired it with both cylinders, but mostly .45ACP since I have like 500 rounds of that versus like 50 rounds of .45LC.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

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Fun Shoe

Man.

I also saw a 642 and 442, and I've been thinking of selling my Taurus 605. I do like it, but the hammer can snag on stuff, and it's steel, which is nice except if you want to carry it in a pocket. And, I'm never shooting 357 with it, because I've done that, and loving ouch. Good price on the 642 and 442. They're a little light, but that's the point.

I want all the revolvers.

Capn Beeb
Jun 29, 2003

Enter the woods, find a friend!


flightless greeb posted:

Smith & Wesson Pre-Model 27

Full album here: https://imgur.com/gallery/G31ufud

Yo holy poo poo nice nice nice

Styles Bitchley
Nov 13, 2004

FOR THE WIN FOR THE WIN FOR THE WIN

tarlibone posted:

Man.

I also saw a 642 and 442, and I've been thinking of selling my Taurus 605. I do like it, but the hammer can snag on stuff, and it's steel, which is nice except if you want to carry it in a pocket. And, I'm never shooting 357 with it, because I've done that, and loving ouch. Good price on the 642 and 442. They're a little light, but that's the point.

I want all the revolvers.

I like my 642 but if I were buying now I would put probably look at the LCR instead. Better trigger, replaceable front sight, more caliber options.

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

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Styles Bitchley posted:

I like my 642 but if I were buying now I would put probably look at the LCR instead. Better trigger, replaceable front sight, more caliber options.

Same; it's a hair bigger but WAY easier and more comfortable to shoot.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

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Fun Shoe

I might look at getting an LCR. I do like the triggers.

And on that note...



My friend alerted me to the fact that the Decades channel--#24.5 in your St. Louis area channel selector, #1 in your heart--is showing Sledge Hammer!.

I put the dress-up stocks on my Sunday Gun.

Crossposted because.

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Quickshanks
Oct 3, 2011

So damned good.

Every now and then i will forget and then remember again that I bought a bunch of ivory handled butter knives at an Alabama flee market for like a buck each.



At first I thought it was weird that they were just stainless steel and not sterling or something when the handles are so needlessly opulent but then it occurs to me the fact they call it Firth Stainless might mean they were made when stainless steel was still a new and novel thing and possibly super expensive at the time. Like the slab of precious aluminium at the apex of the washington monument.

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