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Carecat
Apr 27, 2004



Buglord

Post One - General info, guns and gear
Post Two - Technical information
Post Three - Retailers and purchasing advice

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Full dictionary

BB Ball Bullet
Airsoft BBs are 6-8mm plastic spheres. Due to confusion the community wants to differentiate them from airgun ammo by suggesting that the name stand for Ball Bullet.

AEG Automatic Electric Gun
This is the most popular type of airsoft gun for skirmishing use. It is powered by battery and operates through a series of gears and a spring-powered piston.

GBB Gas Blow-Back
The gas blow back mechanism powers many airsoft pistols. The BB is launched from the gun using an expanding gas stored in a reservoir, while the same gas reloads the gun ready for the next shot.

HOP-UP (HOP)
A device installed in most airsoft guns to increase range. The HOP unit is present in most airsoft replicas. A small piece of rubber is pushed inside the back end of the barrel through a hole in the top. When the gun is fired, the rubber grips the top surface of the BB, putting back-spin on it. As the BB leaves the barrel, the spin creates an imbalance in the aerodynamics of the projectile. This imbalance initiates "The Magnus Effect", causing the BB to stay in the air longer and travel a noticeably farther distance. In real terms, this device can more than double the effective range of a gun, even though the projectile is actually moving more slowly through the air.

Joule
A Joule is simply a measurement of energy in all its forms (kinetic, magnetic, inertial, etc...). With relation to Airsoft, it is used as a measure of the kinetic energy of BBs as they leave the muzzle. This muzzle velocity and the weight of the travelling BB give us the means to calculate the energy of the BB in Joules.

FPS Feet Per Second (a measure of velocity)
The speed of BBs during flight is often measured in feet per second. This speed is measured to obtain the energy output of the gun before most skirmishes.

Lo-Cap / Low-Cap Low Capacity
Lo-Cap magazines are the ones that are usually supplied free with AEGs. These magazines typically hold between 50 and 100 shots in a vertical stacked, spring loaded magazine. There is no winding involved and these magazines tend to feed more reliably, but they hold less ammunition per mag than other types.

Mid-Cap Medium Capacity (usually refers to airsoft magazines)
Mid-Cap magazines usually work the same way as Lo-Cap magazines (vertical stacked BBs, no winding mechanism, but hold roughly double the ammunition of a Lo-Cap mag. The track that the BBs follow inside the mag is longer and contains a longer spring to push the BBs in to the AEG.

Hi-Cap / High-Cap High Capacity (usually refers to airsoft magazines)
An ingenious mechanism powers hi-cap magazines. This mechanism allows a magazine that normally holds 50 shots to hold several hundred. These either use a battery powered mechanism or a wheel that needs to be wound in order to keep upward feeding pressure on the BBs.

WTF?

Airsoft is a hobby that started in the Far East due to restrictive gun laws on real firearms. Airsoft guns are realistic, 1:1 scale versions of (mostly) real world guns that fire 6mm or 8mm plastic bbs. Most people use airsoft for skirmishing, collecting or target shooting. Or prancing around pretending to be a real soldier.

Where can I play airsoft?

Airsoft sites are similar to paintball sites and generally run a skirmish once every two weeks. A map of all sites in the UK can be found here http://www.airsoftmap.co.uk/.

Generally sites are walk-on without booking required but if you wish to rent equipment you must book in advance. Renting a gun costs about 1/10th of the full purchase price and sites generally provide older (cheaper) reliable Tokyo Marui guns like the FAMAS and AK.
Sites will have a group of regular players and almost everyone will bring their own equipment. People will not care what you skirmish with, the more hardcore will tend to own fairly expensive guns and equipment but with the recent explosion of cheap Chinese guns there is much more variety than before.

Most players are there for a good time and don't take defeats very seriously. Attitude will get you far more respect than the cost of your gear.

You can use private land but it has to be secluded or you may have to explain yourself to the police.

Types of skirmish

Standard - No restrictions on what you can use or how much ammo you can carry.
Milsim - Limited magazine and ammunition allowance.
Themed - Equipment suitable for a certain period required, WW2, Vietnam etc.

Airsoft VS Paintball

There are many similarities between airsoft and paintball, The key differences:

1. There is no visible way to confirm a hit on a player - Trust is placed on players to call out that they have been hit (Backed up by marshalls watching the game).
2. Paintballs have more power behind them than a BB but are less dangerous due to the large size. If a paintball breaks against you the transfer of energy is a lot more painful than a BB but high power (400-500fps) BBs have penetrating properties on unprotected skin and can cause bleeding.
3. Airsoft guns outrange paintball guns (Generally)
4. Airsoft guns can usually take more external accessories - Scopes, flashlights, rail systems etc... are all commonly used on airsoft guns (Some high end paintball guns are blurring this difference).
5. Paintball has higher running costs due to the high price of paintballs.
6. Airsoft guns are a lot more realistic looking than paintball guns (With some exceptions) and use magazines rather than a hopper.
7. Airsoft guns have a higher ammo capacity, an AK hicap can carry 600 rounds, M16 hicap 300 and the player can easily carry several thousand rounds on them.

Is airsoft legal?

Varies between country to country! See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_issues_in_airsoft
You should check the laws carefully as some countries will legally treat a normal power airsoft gun like a real firearm.

UK

To buy or import into the UK you either have to buy VCRA compliant two-tone guns or have a membership at a reputable site. A UKARA membership by attending a UKARA supporting site is the most straightforward way to do this.

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The VCRA (Violent Crime Reduction Act) came into effect as of the 1st October 2007, thus meaning that RIF (Realistic Imitation Firearms) can only be purchased by registered members of an airsoft skirmish site (accessories and ammunition are not covered by the VCRA). Only those people over the age of 18 can purchase Replica Imitation Firearms. IF (Imitation Firearms), however, are still legal and may be purchased by anyone 18 or over and used by any age, regardless of membership status. These usually take the form of "Two-Tone" guns - normal Airsoft guns, that have around 50% of the gun painted or manufactured in bright colours in order to mark them out clearly as Imitation Firearms and not Realistic Imitation Firearms.

US

American federal laws require minimum 6 mm (approx. 1/4") orange tips to be present on all "toy guns" (including airsoft replicas) transported within and imported into the United States. Some states (such as California) have enacted state legislation that does impose criminal penalties for the removal of any required markings.

Canada

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According to the Canada Firearms Centre[1], airsoft guns that closely resemble real firearms are classified as replica firearms and can only be imported by companies possessing a Business Firearms License. It is unlawful to sell or transfer replica firearms without this license. Airsoft guns imported into the country by private citizens are at risk of being seized and destroyed at the border by customs agents. The few Canadian airsoft retailers that exist, take advantage of this fact and the prices are high in comparison to other countries.

Power limits



(FPS limits with 0.2G bb)
UK - 328
US - 400 AEGs, 10 ft engagement, 450 for support (drum/box magazine light machine guns), 50 ft engagement, and 500 for sniper rifles (semi-auto/bolt action rifles) 100 ft engagement.
Germany - 240 (Full auto) 241+ (Semiauto/bolt action)
Japan - 328
Hong Kong - 460

Sites will usually give 5% allowance to account for measurement inaccuracy.
Stock guns produce anything between 250-350, the majority being below 320.

Skirmish sites may have a much lower FPS limit than legally required.
If importing a gun keep in mind that customs may wish to know the power at which your gun fires.

Common sense

Transport guns unloaded.

Transporting an airsoft gun in public is a criminal offense in most countries unless done for an acceptable purpose. Actually displaying the gun can be a firearms offense. You don't need a two hundred dollar Pelican case, get a cheap rifle bag. The box the gun came in isn't a great one to use as they usually have large pictures of guns on them.

Does it hurt?

Only really if you get on bare skin or take hits to clothing at very close range. If you wear long sleeves, gloves and a facemask/helmet you can charge around as much as you want.

Is airsoft safe?

Do not trust safeties, these are toys after all. To make a gun safe remove the magazine and any rounds that might be in the chamber AND feed tube, for an AEG or other unusual guns this may require firing a few times.
Eye protection is an important part of airsoft. A BB to the eye is very likely to blind you and they ricochet very well off hard surfaces. All skirmish sites require eye protection, a lot also require full face protection, a good idea as being shot in the face is particularly painful
Beware that BBs can fragment on direct hits on hard objects.





Skirmishing is combat at a professionally run location, the equivalent of a paintball field. If you know paintball then airsoft skirmishing is very similar to woodsball (unless it's an urban site).

Renting

Almost every skirmish site rents guns and equipment. Overall this should still be cheaper than paintball due to the much lower cost of ammunition. The guns available are mostly unglamarous old Tokyo Marui weapons, FAMAS, G3, M16 or AK. These will get the job done even though you might lack a bit of range. Choose what ergonomically suits you best.

Safezone

The safezone is a walled area with tables, lockers and other facilities. The most important thing about the safezone is it's an area where weapons should never be loaded as eye protection is not required to be worn. When you enter the safezone you must remove magazines, clear the weapon (fire several shots on electrics) and put it on safe. You also need to put on eye protection when leaving the safezone for the skirmish area, not after. Safezones normally have a connected firing range where weapons can be tested.

Urban skirmishes

Everything changes in urban. Full face protection is required, camouflage is almost pointless, average contact range reduces to 5-20M and firerate becomes more important than the power behind the shot. Short, pointable guns like SMGs are far better suited to this than long guns. The maximum FPS allowed can be much lower than woodland site.





Automatic Electric Guns
Detailed information

Electric-powered airsoft guns typically use a rechargeable battery to drive an electric motor, which cycles an internal cylinder/spring assembly in order to launch pellets. Automatic and semi-automatic operation is possible which gives these guns the popular name "automatic electric guns" or AEGs. These are the most commonly used skirmishing gun.

The good
* Loads of different types of guns.
* Tons of accessories, varies slightly depending on the model.
* Practical. AEGs are jack of all trade workhorses.

The bad
* M16 variants dominate the market, less parts are made for other major types.
* Trigger delay due to gears in nearly all guns.
* Difficult and fiddly to work with internals.
* Has both electrical and mechanical parts, complicating potential failures.
* Frequent sizing differences between similar models.
* Battery life can be major concern with smaller guns.



Springer
Detailed information

The most common and most basic form of airsoft gun, uses a spring that must be cocked by the user to power the shot. Cheap and very much single-action only. After every shot you have to pull the slide or cocking handle to load a new round. Springers are very reliable and need little maintenance, however cheap springers quality, power and realism are usually lacking. Springers can make good backup weapons.
Newcomers to the sport may think that all springers are pistols but sniper rifles and shotguns are much more common in skirmishing.

The good
* Tend to be very reliable.
* Can be extremely quiet.
* Usually have simple internals.
* No batteries or gas needed.

The bad
* Rate of fire is always low due to the mechanism.
* Generally overpriced despite being less complex than AEGs.
* Range and accuracy not really better than an upgraded AEG.
* Few upgrades available except for sniper rifles.



Gas Blow Back
Detailed information

Gas blow backs use gas to power firing of the BB and cycling the slide. GBBs are mostly pistols with some SMGs and rifles. GBBs have the most realism of all airsoft guns with noise and recoil. GBBs obviously require gas to power their operation and are demanding for maintenance due to complex internal mechanisms. Stripping a GBB is not recommended for newcomers to airsoft as they contain a lot of small parts. Full auto GBBs are available and are awesome(ly impractical).

There has been a surge in the number of GBB rifles but they are still fairly impractical to use outside of Milsim.

The good
* Very realistic shooting action.
* Normally higher quality replicas.
* Fast trigger response.

The bad
* Reliability tends to be poor.
* Low capacity magazines (Generally 30 rounds max)
* Poor performance in cold weather.
* Expensive magazines.
* Magazines have to be refilled with both BBs and gas.
* Magazine seals fail over time and need protective maintenance.

Non Blow Back
Detailed information

Non Blow Back guns are very similar to GBBs but do not have moving slides. This gives an improvement in reliability and decreases gas usage. They fire quite well and have better accuracy. Their cheaper price makes them a good secondary weapon for the airsofter on a budget.

The good
* Reliable.
* Efficient.

The bad
* Low capacity magazines.
* Poor performance in cold weather.
* Expensive magazines.
* Magazines have to be refilled with both BBs and gas.
* Magazine seals fail over time and need protective maintenance.



Automatic Electric Pistols

Automatic Electric Pistols, abbreviated AEPs, were first introduced by Tokyo Marui in 2005 with their Glock 18C (followed later by a Beretta 93R model). They were the first handguns to incorporate an electric powered system that is capable of fully-automatic operation. In cold weather AEPs are considered better sidearms than gas powered pistols as they suffer no decrease in power.

Almost everything about the AEP is the same as an AEG, just smaller.

The good
* Around 2/3 the performance of a regular AEG.
* High capacity magazines.

The bad
* Not quite as much range as AEGs.
* No real upgrades, few accessories.
* Very low battery life, a few hundred shots at most.

Electric Blow Back
Detailed information

AEP's retarded older brother. EBBs have little power, there is almost no recoil and the batteries run out quickly. A EBB may be used as backup but almost anything is an upgrade.

Launchers

Launchers work like shotguns in airsoft, instead of firing a shell out of the gun the shell itself contains many small barrels and gas and releases dozens or hundreds of BBs. Intimidating but not very practical.

Classic

More of a classification of weapon design than actual age (as Escort still produces guns) classic guns are gas powered rifles that use an external gas supply. These are speciality items and you shouldn't buy one unless you know what you are doing!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_airsoft
http://www.classicairsoft.org/forum/index.php





BBs

Most BBs sold by proper airsoft stores are fine but if you want to be safe Excel is considered the standard decent BB. Don't buy paintball BBs whatever you do. Crap BBs are generally yellow or other bright colours (exception being tracers BBs).

The different weight of BBs give different performance. It's unlikely you're going to notice much performance difference between 0.2g-0.4g.
0.2g is the minimum weight that should be used, it's also the most common.



Gas

Always do some research on what gasses your gun is safe to use with. It used to be that HFC134a was always the recommended gas but quality has improved making green gas generally safe to use.

HFC134a - The most common gas. Safe for all GBB guns.
American Eagle Winter - More powerful than HFC134a. Roughly 10fps weaker than HFC22.
HFC22 AKA Green Gas - Propane with added silicone. Powerful gas, however will put extra strain on internals and decrease life and reliability of gun. You can use regular propane if you get a bottle adaptor and some silicon oil.
ET-1000 - Similar to green gas, Taiwanese gas.
CO2 AKA Red Gas - Used gas in old guns/upgraded guns. Requires CO2 adaptor to be used on normal guns. More powerful than green gas and so virtually requires an upgraded gun.



Magazines

Lo-cap
Low capacity magazine. Feeds BBs via a spring making it reliable and silent but slow and cumbersome to refill.

Mid-cap
A locap with extended capacity. Harder to fill than a locap and can be less reliable.

Hi-cap
High capacity magazine. Feeds BBs by a clockwork gear mechanism and requires the mechanism to be wound up to function. More likely to jam and BBs inside rattle with movement, very easy to refill. Hicaps are only for AEGs and AEPs.

Electric hi-cap
Hideously overpriced. If not sound operated then it's totally worthless.



Batteries

Battery compatability is complicated due to the many different types and sizes of battery.

The common airsoft voltage is 8.4v, 9.6v is also acceptable in modern guns. Higher voltages require larger battery packs due to an increase in the number of cells.
The minimum available mAh is about 800mAh, maximum around 4500mAh. Higher mAh usually means the cells are physically larger. 1 mAh is roughly equivalent to a single shot.

Stick - Long thin battery for some stockless or skeleton stocked guns.
Mini - Thin rectangular batteries with a small connector.
Large - Bigger versions of minis with a large connector.

There are also custom battery shapes for specific models of gun or battery containers.
Try Cheap Battery Packs for custom made shapes. I've used them several times.

NiCd batteries have the potential for problems with memory and will decrease in performance as the battery runs down.
NiMh batteries don't have memory issues and will drop off very quickly but don't take well to fast charging.
Lithium Ion Polymer batteries need special charges, unusual shapes and unusual voltages. You should research before considering these.



Frequently you can, and in some cases should, get real gear instead of replica. If you are buying replica it should cost at least 50% less than the real version.



BDU

You can pick up dirt cheap BDUs suitable for woodland use from army surplus stores. Otherwise go for whatever you like, mostly people wear what they think is fashionable.

Replica or real?
Replicas are of average quality, they tend to fade quite quickly and have no resistance to night vision. If you are ever going to play night games watch out what powder you use as a lot contain UV brightening agents that make you light up in night vision.

I am told you should avoid 5.11 due to a drop in quality of their clothing



Boots

Hiking, mountain or real tactical boots all work. Make sure they are comfortable and can cope with your climate at it's extremes. Safety toe caps are always a bonus.

Replica or real?
The advice with boots has always been not to cut corners, be prepared to spend some money. Real hiking boots are less expensive than the ones designed for tactical use and totally capable. Oakley and Converse make some nice boots if you feel you lack The Tactical. They don't cost too much.



Eye Protection

There are three levels of protection, glasses, goggles and full face masks. All give the same eye protection but also give more face protection, very important in CQB. Some sites will require full face masks but most will allow glasses or goggles at your own risk. The largest problem with not having full face is the risk of taking a shot to the tooth, which can break or chip them so you might want a gumshield.

Fogging of your lenses can be a big problem so get some motorcycle helmet anti-fog solution.

Need glasses? You can get Wiley prescription ballistic sunglasses:
http://www.opticsplanet.net/wileyx-rx-sunglasses.html

Replica or real?
Proper Wiley and Oakley ballistic sunglasses/goggles cost about twice as much as the no name ones. You might as well buy some real ones rather than rely on questionable quality control. Guarder make some great cheaper glasses.
Buying replicas without research? Try shooting them with your AEG, if they are decent they won't give a poo poo.

Mesh
Some masks come with a screen of mesh instead of solid lenses. This stops BB sized fragments but won't stop anything smaller. They have an advantage of being lighter and not fogging up but there has been questioning if a chipped piece from a ricochet may make it through. The chance off this happening is microscopic but it has been claimed, not with any eye injury so far.



Gloves

With all the wooden structures it's nice to avoid splinters or the pain of being shot in a finger. Proper tactical gloves are great and won't get in the way.

Replica or real?
Get a real pair of tactical gloves from Oakley or Hatch. They cost about $30 and have great quality, real tactical gloves are tons better quality than cheaper pairs.



Load carrying equipment

Oh god where to start. The current popular piece of gear are Plate Carriers, these are slightly bulkier versions of the old style of assault vests with compartments to hold ballistic plates. With no need for heavy ballistic plates these make great items for carrying all your gear. The MOLLE system currently used allows a great amount of flexibility in your choice of carried pouches.

Replica or real?
Most real vests cost a poo poo load and go a long way beyond what you actually need. There are quite a few decent replica vests but check reviews, Pantac for example make a lot of nice bits. Cheap replica vests tend to be pretty bad.
You can get much cheaper old style assault vests but quality is unpredictable and you are stuck with very specific pouches. Don't buy a vest from army surplus, they are guaranteed to be cheap poo poo.

Carecat fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Sep 12, 2010

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Apr 27, 2004



Buglord

Post Two - Technical information

BULBASAUR posted:

Warning, blowhard ahead: I have been airsofting for almost a decade, but for the last 2-3 years I dropped out of the mainstream. During this time many new companies have come out with an explosion of airsoft products. Alas, I am not familiar with most of them from first hand experience.


Honestly, the best and most economical ways to up your accuracy, tighten your groupings, and shoot further, is to replace your hop up and inner barrel. It really makes a huge difference. You can shoot your gun before and after installation and smile at the results. Precision barrels will up your FPS very slightly (my experience has been 5-15FPS) and your shots will fly straighter, further, and much more consistently (which is much more important than all the other stuff). A hop up replacement will also help with these things, but not as much.

A good precision barrel will cost you between $40-$60 (the longer it is, the more it costs). A hop up replacement will cost you about $8. These are also easy to install. If you are scared of taking your gun apart you won't have to get into the gearbox with these upgrades. In the end, you get what you pay for. The more budget barrels seem to have higher tolerances and so you will get mixed results with them. Spend an extra $30 and you'll have a barrel that will last you forever with guaranteed results.

As for the "random flyer shots", chances are that the ammo you are using is more a culprit than your barrel. Not all bb brands are equal and the heavier the bb the less likely it will be affected by wind.


Besides the things I mentioned above, the cheapest ways to up range is getting a bigger spring. This, however, will strain your gearbox more and worsen your ROF. The best thing to do in such situations is to help boost your FPS by all other means. Here are some cheap and effective ones:

-Clean your barrel regularly. Its free and it keeps you shooting at 100%
-Higher voltage battery. If you have a 8.4v, switch to 9.6v or to a 7.4v Lipo. You will see an increase in trigger response, range (+ 5-15 FPS), and ROF. Don't go any higher unless you know what you are doing.
-Tight seal nozzle. These things run about $6-$10 and reduce the amount of air that escapes from your gearbox before it pushes your bb. There is a slight boost in range and consistency. Requires an opening of the gearbox.
-New cylinder/piston head or cylinder. Cost about $10-$15 each and basically do the same thing as above. Piston heads with bearings also reduce FPS loss due to spring twisting and act like a spacer for your spring. Must open gearbox.
-Spring guide with bearings. These are a tiny bit longer than a standard spring guide and act like a spacer (compressing your spring a tiny bit more and giving you something like 5-10 extra FPS as a result) and reduce FPS loss from the twisting of the spring. Again, you must open your gearbox.
-Do all of the above with a full tune up kit (FTK). Unless you are using Tokyo Marui your gears and piton don't require any replacement. Again, you get what you pay for. Expect to pay $50-$60 and have to take the entire gearbox apart.

Your guide to buying a precision barrel
There are a lot of companies out there with a number of different dimensions. I'll try to point you in the right direction.

First, if you are shooting stock or below/around 1J (so <325ps) you will want to get a "Tanio-Koba Hop Twist Barrel". These help guns at lower FPS dramatically, but are useless for at a higher FPS. Why? The barrel has reverse rifling. This means that the air around the projectile is spun instead of the projectile. An air cushion is created which reduces friction and gives higher accuracy. At a higher FPS the opposite occurs. If you are shooting >325FPS then go with a precision barrel without "Hop Twist".

There are lots of manufacturers that make barrels and the ones known to be worth their salt are: Systema, Prometheus, PDI, Laylax, Firefly, and Deep Fire. Madbull and Classic Army are newcomers and naturally have mixed reviews. I have no experience with Madbull, but Classic Army seemed to be on par with a equal diameter Systema. Again, you get what you pay for.

Contrary to popular belief, precision barrels don't make your guns jam. Using terrible bbs and never cleaning your barrel will. This said, there are a number of different inner diameters for these barrels. Most commonly: 6.01, 6.03, 6.04, 6.05, and 6.08mm. In general the tighter the barrel the better it performs... to a point. Around 6.03-6.04mm things get complicated. Systema, on their website, says that it won't make anything tighter than 6.04mm because it starts to have negative effects. Indeed you will find many mixed comparisons between 6.01, 6.02, 6.03, and 6.04mm barrels. I have been convinced by a number of case studies that ~6.03-6.04mm have the best results and won't go tighter.

In the end its up to you. Just be aware that beyond 6.04 things get debatable and getting a brand with mixed reviews might get you a 6.02mm or 6.08mm barrel instead of the advertised 6.04mm.

Your guide to buying 'hop up'
If a brand is known for making good precision barrels, they are usually respected for their hop up rubber. You can also add Angel, 9ball, and G&P to the list. There are three kinds of hop up, hard, soft, and super soft (these are often quantified with numbers, but who cares). You want super soft hop for guns shooting stock to about 320 fps, soft for 320-400fps, and the hard stuff for things shooting higher than that. Why? Faster bbs will wear the softer hopup more. Harder hop grips the bb less and gives it less spin (which is good at long ranges).



This list is out of date. Updated information would be appreciated!

-HIGH END-

* Tokyo Marui
Used to be the most important airsoft manufacturer due to inventing the AEG. Marui guns are still considered fairly reliable but they have fallen behind on quality and pricing.
Guns of note: MP5 range, M16 range, G36.

* Western Arms
Considered to make the best GBB guns available, helped by their Magna Blowback System that allows the gun to be fired at any angle.
Guns of note: Beretta range, SVI range.

* KSC
Makes some of the best full auto GBB guns available.
Guns of note: Beretta 93R, Steyr TMP, Glock range.

* Maruzen
Makes GBB guns, some full auto SMGs, sniper rifles and gas shotguns.
Guns of note: APS-2, M11 Ingram.

* Marushin
Makes shotguns and various gas guns.
Guns of note: WW2 rifles.

* Classic Army
Used to have a big problem with reliability but improved tons with their Armalites.
Guns of note: M15A4 range, MP5 range.

* Tanaka
Oddball company that makes unusual weapons.
Guns of note: K98.

* TOP
Make AEG support weapons, light and heavy machine guns. Expensive but a prized possesion.

* ICS
Comparable to CA, smaller range. Don't seem to be making anything new.

* G&G
Used to make just parts, now also make some AEGs. Quality is quite high but reliability varies a lot.

* G&P
Sells a billion types of M4.

* STAR
Pretty good, makes the less popular types of guns like the L85 and FAL.

* VFC
Makes a handful of seriously k-rad guns

* Systema
Well known maker of custom gun parts, particularly gearboxes and springs. Has some crazily expensive AEGs.

-BUDGET-

* WELL
The maker of the first low-cost AEG, WELL guns are generally the poorest quality ACMs. Almost all of their guns use 6.2mm bushings and shoot well below what other guns of similar cost shoot. They use plastic

bodies, and generally aren't as good as other choices.

*Double Eagle
Double Eagle guns are a mixed bunch, with some really good and really bad models. They have definitely been improving, and now produce some of the best ACMs on the market. Older DE products should probably

be avoided. They are some of the leading pioneers in cheap AEGs, and have come out with some interesting designs such as an original AEP and a clone of the v7 gearbox.

*CYMA
CYMA produces some of the best (if not THE best) cheap AEGs. Featuring externals and performance comparable to Tokyo Mauri and great reliability, their products are greatly anticipated and well thought of.

Their first guns, the CM027 and CM028, changed the way people think about low-cost AEGs.

*AIM
A Taiwanese company, AIM guns are generally better quality and more expensive than other low-cost AEGs. They currently only have one product out, but are producing a wide variety of other guns that should be interesting to compare to other models.

*Jing-Gong
Although the release of their first ACM was shaky to say the least, JG has improved their product line tremendously to produce some of the best quality ACMs on the market, along with CYMA. Featuring amazing

externals and internals, sometimes better quality than even Tokyo Marui, at great prices, and shooting harder than some of the highest quality AEGs on the market, JG is up there with CYMA as one of the highest-quality producers of low-cost AEGs.

*Both Elephant
Although not as high of quality of other low-cost AEGs, both internally and externally, Both Elephant guns are generally of unique design and are very cheap. Their guns are perfect for projects, wall-hangers, or someone who wants a decent gun for not much money.

*A&K
Not much is known about A&K, other than that their manufacturing capacity is far less than other ACM companies. They currently produce only one type of gun, the S-System.

*D-Boys
Originally Boyi, D-Boys ares affordable and fairly high quality.

*Kart
It is unknown whether Kart is its own company or working with CYMA or Double Eagle, but their first release, an M14, was almost immediately outclassed by the release of the Double Eagle version, which was both cheaper and better.

Carecat fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Sep 12, 2010

Carecat
Apr 27, 2004



Buglord

Post Three - Retailers and purchasing advice

UK

To buy or import into the UK you either have to buy VCRA compliant two-tone guns or have a membership at a reputable site. A UKARA membership by attending a UKARA supporting site is the most straightforward way to do this.

quote:

The VCRA (Violent Crime Reduction Act) came into effect as of the 1st October 2007, thus meaning that RIF (Realistic Imitation Firearms) can only be purchased by registered members of an airsoft skirmish site (accessories and ammunition are not covered by the VCRA). Only those people over the age of 18 can purchase Replica Imitation Firearms. IF (Imitation Firearms), however, are still legal and may be purchased by anyone 18 or over and used by any age, regardless of membership status. These usually take the form of "Two-Tone" guns - normal Airsoft guns, that have around 50% of the gun painted or manufactured in bright colours in order to mark them out clearly as Imitation Firearms and not Realistic Imitation Firearms.

US

American federal laws require minimum 6 mm (approx. 1/4") orange tips to be present on all "toy guns" (including airsoft replicas) transported within and imported into the United States. Some states (such as California) have enacted state legislation that does impose criminal penalties for the removal of any required markings.

Canada

quote:

According to the Canada Firearms Centre[1], airsoft guns that closely resemble real firearms are classified as replica firearms and can only be imported by companies possessing a Business Firearms License. It is unlawful to sell or transfer replica firearms without this license. Airsoft guns imported into the country by private citizens are at risk of being seized and destroyed at the border by customs agents. The few Canadian airsoft retailers that exist, take advantage of this fact and the prices are high in comparison to other countries.



USA

Ensure that the weapon will be delivered with an orange barrel and covered trademarks. Some retailers will ship with a replacement barrel and removable trademark covering.

UK

quote:

If a gun is stopped, they will write to you requesting confirmation that you are eligable to import.
The letter will contain the information you have to provide in order to satisfy them that you are covered by the defence.

So long as you have a valid site membership you can import as normal, just wait for the paperwork/phonecall.
You may have to do a velocity declaration to declare the airsoft gun is under the legal power maximums, as these are set for airgun there is no chance you are anywhere near these. I had to do one on a replica ACOG sight



Using http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=170598 as a reference.

USA

UK

quote:

Airsoft Armoury
6mil
Airsoft World
Combat South
Elite Airsoft
Fire Support - Good but low stock - Carecat
Wolf Armouries - High prices, bad customer service - Carecat
Zero One
Landwarrior
Actionhobbys

Japan/China

quote:


The big four:

WGC Shop
Redwolf Airsoft
UNcompany
Dentrinity

Good for high-end guns, accesories, gear and parts.
Guns are shipped via express mail only, so higher shipping costs and a higher chance to get inspected by customs.
Very reliable retailers - Carecat

Airsoft Global

War4 Unknown reliability.

GunsNGuns

Gunner Airsoft
RSOV

Basically the two most important stores for chinese guns and accesories. Shipping is not the fastest.

ebay Banned

Basic shop for chinese gear (BDUs, vests, helmets, holsters, etc.) and accessories.
Shipping is not free, but included in the price. Good for small orders. Has some problems with slow shipping and not giving people tracking numbers.
You can get combined shipping for orders over 3-4 kilos.
I've bought from them without problem. A lot of low quality items, be cautious - Carecat

KH Mountain

Good service, good prices (sometimes better than Gunners with a discount).
I've bought from them without problem - Carecat

Mainly a gear store: they have all the basic stuff in BDUs and cheap vest, but also WWII clothing and Flye gear. Sometimes they have chicom rigs for 15$.

Dragon Red Airsoft

Not so cheap, but it gets pretty good when you make bulk orders.
I've bought from them without problem. Some very good replicas available - Carecat

ehobby Asia

Very expensive shipping for guns but very cheap for small stuff. If you just want a pair of goggles or some replacement ball bearings for your grenade, this is the shop to go to.

RATech

For GBB rifles.



AEG

Sniper
Tokyo Marui VSR-10 - Affordable sniper with good performance and accuracy, excellent.

Carecat fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Jul 16, 2009

GC_ChrisReeves
Dec 16, 2004



"You're going to be...amazing."

My JG M4A1 is arriving today.

Oh and just throwing Landwarrior and Actionhobbys out there for UK retailers I've had very good dealings with.

Forti
May 5, 2009



Seconding the above. Excellent service on LW, and really cheap and fast on AH.

I have a question about the Importing to the UK post. Is that al thats needed? I keep getting warned about importing guns, that they'll just be spirited away by customs and never seen again.
This sucks as Chinese sites have great guns for cheap.

GC_ChrisReeves
Dec 16, 2004



"You're going to be...amazing."

Forti posted:

I have a question about the Importing to the UK post. Is that al thats needed? I keep getting warned about importing guns, that they'll just be spirited away by customs and never seen again.
This sucks as Chinese sites have great guns for cheap.
I also want to know this, there are so many loving cheap guns on sites like UNCompany that I honestly wonder what I'm doing dealing with AirsoftWorld. (Who jacked up the price of the M4 I'm buying by a tenner after I emailed enquiring about it.)

I mean. UNCompany do $40 for a KJ Works Ruger Mk1 NBB. $49 for a full-auto JG Glock 18c GBB. That's 25-30 each! They sell for triple that over here, plus postage.

30 (sans postage, customs) for a fuckin' G18c!

GC_ChrisReeves fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Jul 11, 2009

Carecat
Apr 27, 2004



Buglord

Forti posted:

Seconding the above. Excellent service on LW, and really cheap and fast on AH.

I have a question about the Importing to the UK post. Is that al thats needed? I keep getting warned about importing guns, that they'll just be spirited away by customs and never seen again.
This sucks as Chinese sites have great guns for cheap.

It's unhelpfully vague. The rough guideline is that the site should be a proper insured site and require you to have skirmished three times over a period longer than three months but shorter than a year before you can be a member. Then just your membership details that they can phone the site and confirm is enough to have your gun released.

DethMarine21
Dec 4, 2008


I've used Precision Airsoft for cheap shipping on the East Coast.


Also I have a question. I have a WE Dragon (yeah I know), and it works fine except for one small problem. I have the hop-up set so that each shot travels perfectly straight, but within the last few feet of travel the BBs curve sharply to the left, every time. Anybody have any idea what could be causing this?

nevermind, someone must have installed the hop-up wrong, it's working fine after a disassembly

DethMarine21 fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Jul 17, 2009

Ghosts
Mar 10, 2008

by angerbotSD


http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/ProductDetail?prodID=27168
&
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/ProductDetail?prodID=21444

Should I pull the trigger on my first Airsoft purchase? Or are there better GBB AR-15s for around $2-300?

Crunkjuice
Apr 4, 2007

That could've gotten in my eye!
*launches teargas at unarmed protestors*

I THINK OAKLAND PD'S USE OF EXCESSIVE FORCE WAS JUSTIFIED!


Ghosts posted:

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/ProductDetail?prodID=27168
&
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/ProductDetail?prodID=21444

Should I pull the trigger on my first Airsoft purchase? Or are there better GBB AR-15s for around $2-300?

I hope you realize how utterly outgunned you are going to be when you play against people with hicap magazines. I played against a guy with one of these and i just laughed when we had a firefight, as i had at least 7 midcaps + 4 hicaps left at that point, and the dude was trying to conserve ammo as he only had two mags left.

If there was a way to put a freaking tank in the stock and still have spring fed magazines, then these things would be cool as hell, but right now they are just a gimmick. Also, if your just starting out, a pistol isn't the most necessary thing in the world. Put the money for both of those into a good TM or CA or KWA AEG, and play a few rounds with it before you make purchases that you might not need.

GC_ChrisReeves
Dec 16, 2004



"You're going to be...amazing."

GBBs are cool as hell, but you are kind of restricted to locaps. You really don't have the range or accuracy of real guns, whether you are going gas or electric and unless you're a solid-snake wannabe you are probably going to end up pelting thousands of rounds out at your average airsoft day, most of which without result, so while you think you might have enough ammo with a bunch of 50 round mags firing single shot, I could carry 1680 rounds in 4 hicaps (at least I will when i get the order in!), so someone like me could shoot at you all day barely needing to reload.

If GBBs offered any real performance benefit then maybe, otherwise I'm with crunkjuice, your money is best spent on a CA, ICS or something.

Gas sidearms do seem practical enough in their own right though.

GC_ChrisReeves fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jul 11, 2009

kersonan
Feb 11, 2007


I have that exact M4, its great fun to shoot but not a starter gun by any stretch.

the mags are very heavy, even the second gen ones, and their limited capacity puts you at a disadvantage unless your playing Milsim locap rules. lugging it and all its mags around all day sucks, mines even worse as I have a metal M203 fitted as well.

Also consider maintenance of them, they require more tools and stuff to keep running well, AEG's generally only need few tools.

Def a good choice as a second gun though, cant beat the price vs the true WA/WE ones.

elgrapadora
Jan 27, 2009


Does any other airsoft company make a P90? I know ECHO 1 does but other than that.
EDIT: Found TM's offerings, how do they compare?

elgrapadora fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Jul 12, 2009

OpiaTool
Jul 18, 2001



elgrapadora posted:

Does any other airsoft company make a P90? I know ECHO 1 does but other than that.
EDIT: Found TM's offerings, how do they compare?

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2211560

Theres a link to hte last thread. If you go to page 59, we talked about the different p90s at the bottom and on into page 60.

Good info about TM P90s there.

elgrapadora
Jan 27, 2009


OpiaTool posted:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2211560

Theres a link to hte last thread. If you go to page 59, we talked about the different p90s at the bottom and on into page 60.

Good info about TM P90s there.

Thanks, from what I gather, the ECHO 1 seems like a better choice for a slightly lower cost. So I think i might get that and one hi-cap mag. Other than that, Im pretty set.

INTERNETRACECAR
May 25, 2005
Rabbit Injected!

Borrowed the RS SVD today for a couple rounds.

Holy fuckin' poo poo.

Granted, it's got a couple upgrades (M140, G&P 40 degree bucking and a V nub), but there's nothing more satisfying than placing a bb in a guy's chest from 200 feet away, then moving over a hair to pick off his pal in the same way.

The ONLY drawback is that it's pretty goddamn heavy. I'm used to lugging around my CA M14, which is no lightweight, but this thing will give you a hell of a workout. It's also front-heavy due to the length and construction of the barrel.

Still gonna buy the gently caress out of one.

TOMSOVERBAGHDAD
Dec 26, 2004

Switzerland is small and neutral!

I played in my first skirmish this weekend, a small MILSIM. There was about ~20 people on the US team, and there were around 10 as Viet Cong. It was certainly a great time - I borrowed a friend's M4 and acted as a support gunner because I've never done any kind of Airsoft before. Managed to get a few guys, and managed to get hit by a few guys too. There was a dude out there that had a Echo1 M249, and that thing positively tore people up. I'm going to buy one of those suckers now that I'm sure that I actually like the game.

All in all, I had a lot of fun and am certainly going to do this kind of thing again. The only thing that bothered me was that some people were too serious business about airsoft - call your goddamn hits, you pansies.

It's also impossible to play with glasses, so I'm just going to get fitted for contacts after all.

Forti
May 5, 2009



TOMSOVERBAGHDAD posted:

It's also impossible to play with glasses, so I'm just going to get fitted for contacts after all.

I have this same problem. I think these were mentioned in the last thread, so I'll repost them here: http://www.opticsplanet.net/wileyx-rx-sunglasses.html

Prescription ballistic lenses: for pansies like me that don't enjoy the idea of contacts.

El Topo Magnifico
Dec 31, 2006

You are seven years old.
You are a man now.


I have a stock AK 47 Beta Spetsnaz, it's treated me well over the years.

Now I'm thinking of getting an M14, but the prices are all over the place.

Does spending $100-$175 sound reasonable? I'm looking for a decent AEG.

Crunkjuice
Apr 4, 2007

That could've gotten in my eye!
*launches teargas at unarmed protestors*

I THINK OAKLAND PD'S USE OF EXCESSIVE FORCE WAS JUSTIFIED!


I just want to get it out of the way, but if people read this thread, then read this.

Buy quality and you don't have to buy again. I have kept a detailed count of bags of BB's that i've put through my CA scar (serial number 88 too), and im over 400,000 right now, and its still kicking rear end. I've replaced gearbox parts when poo poo breaks, and have kept it in as good of shape as i can. Its gonna last me for another few years, and i have no plans on getting a new gun. Beginner guns are cheap in price, because they are not as high quality as the tried and true brands like TM, CA, ICS, and new to the quality market KWA.

Spring the extra money, it will be worth it if you think you are gonna stick with the hobby for a long time.

GC_ChrisReeves
Dec 16, 2004



"You're going to be...amazing."

Katze Kuchen posted:

I have a stock AK 47 Beta Spetsnaz, it's treated me well over the years.

Now I'm thinking of getting an M14, but the prices are all over the place.

Does spending $100-$175 sound reasonable? I'm looking for a decent AEG.

As far as I've heard via reviews and such, by far the best Chinasoft M14 around is the CYMA M14. The Kart, UTG and AGM ones fall behind in quality by quite a way.

The only problem apparrently is that I heard that the factory that made the CYMAs was raided by the cops and shut down or something, so getting your hands on one might be tricky.


I have also heard that the G&G M14, while maybe a touch higher-priced than you may be willing to pay ($250) is as good if not better than the TM version, both being better than any Chinasoft. All this info I'm getting is second hand from forums and such, so take it with a pinch of salt, but I think it might give you a start at least.

I wouldn't have one because they are heavy cunts, but if you don't have noodle arms like me then you'd probably be fine.



EDIT:
Speaking of noodle arms, My JG M4A1 has arrived This is the third AEG I've owned after a JG HK416 and a JG G3

And it shoots like a loving laser.

GC_ChrisReeves fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Jul 13, 2009

Cazic Thule
Mar 13, 2008

Denizens of Fear, your master commands you to come forth to his aid!!

So ever since I was young I have dreamed of collecting BB/Airsoft guns. I have just moved to USA from Australia and can now start working on that dream.. some 20 years later.

I want a pistol (1911 style) and rifle (like the m24 style) most of all. Will eventually want to buy an MP5, M4, M16, Mac 11 with silencer.

Anyway, I'm really just looking to shoot targets etc in my backyard for fun so I'm not too sure what is best for that.

Can anyone recommend me something in a pistol/rifle, entry level to start me off having some fun, and maybe also higher end for upgrading later? Wondering what brand/type (GBB etc) to get for my needs.

Thanks.

Cazic Thule fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jul 13, 2009

ChauchetRedemption
Sep 11, 2001

Were not accustomed to occupying defensive positions. Its destructive to morale.

I had to leave all my toys at home...

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

One day I will be happy
every day


I got into college in Japan, so it looks like I won't be anywhere where I'll have access to real firearms for a long time, which is beginning to tempt me to pick up an airsoft gun so I can at least do handling drills or something... I don't suppose anyone has heard anything about good airsoft stores in Tokyo? Is there some sort of Japanese airsoft mecca or something that every airsofter dreams of going to some day?

Crunkjuice
Apr 4, 2007

That could've gotten in my eye!
*launches teargas at unarmed protestors*

I THINK OAKLAND PD'S USE OF EXCESSIVE FORCE WAS JUSTIFIED!


LimburgLimbo posted:

I got into college in Japan, so it looks like I won't be anywhere where I'll have access to real firearms for a long time, which is beginning to tempt me to pick up an airsoft gun so I can at least do handling drills or something... I don't suppose anyone has heard anything about good airsoft stores in Tokyo? Is there some sort of Japanese airsoft mecca or something that every airsofter dreams of going to some day?

Airsoft is huge in japan, being as thats where it originated. I don't know specifically of any stores in tokyo, but i know they are there and are pretty awesome from what i understand. I'd love it if you could take some pictures of whatever store you go to and write up a report about it.

s0beit
Sep 23, 2008
I WISH GRANDMA HAD DIED SO I WOULDN'T HAVE TO TALK TO LIBERALS


I bought a crap D-Boys RK-74u a while back, since then its gears have grinded to a terrible hault.

i am just wondering if a replacement motor on a $200 RK is even worth it,
or am i just better off buying a better functioning AEG with sturdier parts.

I should mention for those looking at the D-Boys series that the gun is made from really poor metal that can bend and warp pretty easily,
the battery likes to overheat when the motor is doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing and overall, since i never played in any wars (and only used this as a "range" AEG for target practice) this is a pretty poor AEG.

I am of course at this point open to suggestion.

I did try to acquire a Thompson AEG for fun, but you really have no idea how impossible it is when Illinois "gun" laws are so loving retarded.

GC_ChrisReeves
Dec 16, 2004



"You're going to be...amazing."

Cazic Thule posted:

I want a pistol (1911 style) and rifle (like the m24 style) most of all. Will eventually want to buy an MP5, M4, M16, Mac 11 with silencer.

1911
MP5
M4
M16
Mac 11

Sadly, I wouldn't know what to suggest for the m24, as the only ones I've seen/used are the AGM VSR-10 and the JG BAR-10, the former I own and the trigger sear is hosed and the latter belongs to a friend and it never worked in the first place.

These are just my suggestions though, shop aroun, watch a fucktonne of Youtube reviews and read plenty of forums before you buy, get a consensus as to what is good. Contrary to my suggestions, there are other manufacturers than JG out there.

GC_ChrisReeves fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Jul 15, 2009

Basilson
Sep 21, 2005

Yeah, right, buddy, liquor store robbery, officer down. Sure. And I'm Edward G. Robinson.

Cazic Thule posted:

So ever since I was young I have dreamed of collecting BB/Airsoft guns. I have just moved to USA from Australia and can now start working on that dream.. some 20 years later.

I want a pistol (1911 style) and rifle (like the m24 style) most of all. Will eventually want to buy an MP5, M4, M16, Mac 11 with silencer.

Anyway, I'm really just looking to shoot targets etc in my backyard for fun so I'm not too sure what is best for that.

Can anyone recommend me something in a pistol/rifle, entry level to start me off having some fun, and maybe also higher end for upgrading later? Wondering what brand/type (GBB etc) to get for my needs.

Thanks.

Haha, you and I share the same dream into a reality scenario, except I didn't have to move quite so far. I just moved from Australia to NZ and imagine my surprise at finding airsoft perfectly legal over here. Just ordered a Steyr AUG and looking at joining a club or two soon.
Any other kiwi airsofters around?

ArmyGroup303
Apr 10, 2004

If this were real life, I would have piloted this helicopter with you still in it.

Ghosts posted:

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/ProductDetail?prodID=27168
&
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/ProductDetail?prodID=21444

Should I pull the trigger on my first Airsoft purchase? Or are there better GBB AR-15s for around $2-300?

Get the Glock, don't get the AGM M4A1.

Going cheap on the GBB doesn't work. A tinkering friend of mine has been swapping out parts as they break or need improvement. After a busted bolt carrier group and magazine catch and swapping out the cheap receiver for a quality Colt trademarked one, he said he should have went with a G&P instead.

Also, a gas magazine rifle platform is EXPENSIVE. Just be aware of the cost and performance and ammo limitations, and you'll be fine.

Don't lose those gas mags. Hell, don't even drop them.

Gas blow back rifles are fun to shoot, have excellent range with propane, and have instant trigger response, which DOES help gameplay.

Rhandhali
Sep 7, 2003

This is Free Trader Beowulf, calling anyone...

Has anyone heard of a manufacturer called BELL or Meister? They've got an inexpensive GBB Glock 17 that I've seen popping up in a few places but I haven't heard anything about the company.
example:
http://www.airsplat.com/Items/GP-BELL-G17-Mei.htm

Cazic Thule
Mar 13, 2008

Denizens of Fear, your master commands you to come forth to his aid!!

Aliginge posted:

1911
MP5
M4
M16
Mac 11

Sadly, I wouldn't know what to suggest for the m24, as the only ones I've seen/used are the AGM VSR-10 and the JG BAR-10, the former I own and the trigger sear is hosed and the latter belongs to a friend and it never worked in the first place.

These are just my suggestions though, shop aroun, watch a fucktonne of Youtube reviews and read plenty of forums before you buy, get a consensus as to what is good. Contrary to my suggestions, there are other manufacturers than JG out there.

Thanks a lot for the suggestions and info, appreciate it. Good stuff to start me out on. Started watching reviews on Youtube too.

Might try a Marui VSR-10 for my rifle.

MikeG
Mar 17, 2004
This sentence no verb

Rhandhali posted:

Has anyone heard of a manufacturer called BELL or Meister? They've got an inexpensive GBB Glock 17 that I've seen popping up in a few places but I haven't heard anything about the company.
example:
http://www.airsplat.com/Items/GP-BELL-G17-Mei.htm

The Miester Glock is spectacular looking, with fully realistic trademarks, and is fairly reliable. There's been one that's been traded around quite a few times at the local CQB place and it's still running well.

GC_ChrisReeves
Dec 16, 2004



"You're going to be...amazing."

Cazic Thule posted:

Might try a Marui VSR-10 for my rifle.

TM seem like a solid choice whatever you get, I'd also bet that a TM bolt sniper would make an awesome upgrade platform.


In other news, being outside, spray-painting your AEG on a nice day is awesomely relaxing. Most of my gun is currently wrapped up in, like, 3 tonnes of masking tape and is sat in the corner of my room where I'm leaving it for at least a day. The Khaki colour is turning out goddamn nice.

Just let it be known that you DO NOT get a lot of paint in Krylon cans. I barely had enough to finish my M4. :/

Ghosts
Mar 10, 2008

by angerbotSD


ArmyGroup303 posted:

Get the Glock, don't get the AGM M4A1.

Going cheap on the GBB doesn't work. A tinkering friend of mine has been swapping out parts as they break or need improvement. After a busted bolt carrier group and magazine catch and swapping out the cheap receiver for a quality Colt trademarked one, he said he should have went with a G&P instead.

Also, a gas magazine rifle platform is EXPENSIVE. Just be aware of the cost and performance and ammo limitations, and you'll be fine.

Don't lose those gas mags. Hell, don't even drop them.

Gas blow back rifles are fun to shoot, have excellent range with propane, and have instant trigger response, which DOES help gameplay.

Awesome, thanks

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!


I'm looking at importing a KSC Glock, and I seem to recall some issues a while back with getting KSC Glocks with trademarks through US customs. Does this still appear to be the case, or has anyone managed this lately? I suppose I could always grab a KWA and swap out the slide, but honestly, I really want the trigger safety.

Timelord
Jan 17, 2008



Looking at getting a Echo 1 Red Star AKM (Wood) for my first real airsoft weapon. Reviews looked to be nice, and it's easy on the eyes. If it's not a secretly terrible weapon, as the manufacturer wasn't in the OP I'm not entirely sure on purchasing it.

GC_ChrisReeves
Dec 16, 2004



"You're going to be...amazing."

Excuse the mobile phone quality, but I thought I'd post up some pictures I had since I finally got the software for my phone working

My first gun, a JG HK416. Now belonging to a housemate, it's surprisingly heavy thanks to the battery-housing crane stock and the really beefy front RIS, but otherwise is a fine, fine gun. Unfortunately, the buttcap on this old style of crane stock shown is prone to snapping off due to really weak clips holding it on. That said, there are newer-version crane stocks and PEQ-box variants of this gun as well, so it's not all bad.


Next up was my AGM MP001. This has so far got me the most kills of any of my guns, including two headshots which made me feel like a loving champ. Sadly, the trigger sear is now hosed and the gun slam-fires every time you bolt it. I'd recommend a TM or something.

After I decided I missed automatic fire, I tried the JG G3 RAS in the hopes of going for a sort of DM weapon until I noticed that AEGs do not have sniper accuracy unless you spend cuntloads of money on them. So I was kind of left with an assault rifle for people with gorilla arms or shooters above 6'6". In the end, I took off the scope and changed out the RIS for a plastic A4 handguard (Making it lighter than the 416!) and sold it. Probably would be really drat good as a DM weapon if you got a tightbore and some hop-up upgrades in there. I wanted something to fit my puny 5'11" self though.


And now my current gun, a JG M4A1, with a before and after of my new Krylon Khaki paintjob Pretty good for my first time spray-painting anything ever even if I do say so myself.

Haven't skirmished with the M4 yet, but so far it's proven itself to be pretty drat accurate for a stock gun, as well as being really light and manouverable to boot. Looking forward to actually using it and the Eotech 551 clone that's in the post.

GC_ChrisReeves fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Jul 16, 2009

CloFan
Nov 5, 2004



On the paint job, did you just tape everything off, or did you take it all apart and spray it piece by piece? I ask because things like body pins, mag release, and little parts like that are tan. It looks fine, if that's what you were going for, btw. I like to have black accents when painting tan though, so I leave those pieces out when painting.

GC_ChrisReeves
Dec 16, 2004



"You're going to be...amazing."

CloFan posted:

On the paint job, did you just tape everything off, or did you take it all apart and spray it piece by piece? I ask because things like body pins, mag release, and little parts like that are tan. It looks fine, if that's what you were going for, btw. I like to have black accents when painting tan though, so I leave those pieces out when painting.

The stock, handguard, mag and carry handle were taken apart and sprayed individually.

The main body I had difficulty taking apart so I masked off the grip, trigger, trigger guard, forward assist, mag release, buffer tube, the flat top RIS, the O ring and everything in front of it. Went through a lot of tape doing so!

I kind of wanted to keep the selector switch black, but it looks alright as it is and it would have been a oval office to mask up. vv

GC_ChrisReeves fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Jul 16, 2009

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BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009






Soiled Meat

INTERNETRACECAR posted:

Borrowed the RS SVD today for a couple rounds.

Holy fuckin' poo poo.

Granted, it's got a couple upgrades (M140, G&P 40 degree bucking and a V nub), but there's nothing more satisfying than placing a bb in a guy's chest from 200 feet away, then moving over a hair to pick off his pal in the same way.

The ONLY drawback is that it's pretty goddamn heavy. I'm used to lugging around my CA M14, which is no lightweight, but this thing will give you a hell of a workout. It's also front-heavy due to the length and construction of the barrel.

Still gonna buy the gently caress out of one.

Just bought one

If you really want one before the next batch (RS says 2 months, so expect 3 or more) there are a couple on ebay. The best way to get one, however, is directly from real sword.

How was the furniture? It looks like its a bit bright from the pictures.

EDIT: ^^^^^^ That looks really good for your first time spray down btw

BULBASAUR fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Jul 17, 2009

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