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The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


I'm a dog owner who just got a couple of kittens. They've been extremely easy to care for so far, but dogs are *far* more forthcoming with their feedback, imo. Can I just assume if a cat doesn't leave when I do something (like belly skritches) they're probably ok with it? Also, when I shake the ribbon and they go apeshit, do they know I'm doing it?

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The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Thanks all! Shortly after I posted, I went to check on them and they both came running to see me! We recently stopped crating them 24x7, so I'm guessing allowing them to play for hours allowed them to actually miss me.

Man, cat purring is some good poo poo. People should talk about that more.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


I can't help with the other stuff, but gabapentin has a few uses. One of my dogs gets it before vet appointments to help keep him calm.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


I don't know much about cats, but we took the kittens to our regular vet and expressed concerns about some physical issues one may have had and she took the time for a physical exam and took xrays.

Just the physical exam part alone would cause me to find a new vet, add in the needle nonsense and I definitely wouldn't go back. Find a new vet and have them request records from the first vet, imo.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


gloom posted:

We moved to a new city with our two cats this year, and with annual shots and checkups coming up, we need to find a new vet. How would you go about choosing one?

There are two close by that are highly rated on Google maps. Both appear to be independent / local, which is preferable because I’ve read about the problems with big chains and private equity buyouts in this space. Ordinarily I’d ask a friend or coworker for recommendations, but the only pet owners we know down here live pretty far away and it’s important to us to have a place in easy driving distance, both for the cats (they hate car trips) and because my partner doesn’t like driving in the city.

These are the two we’re considering:

https://peachtreehillsvet.com

https://www.prahvet.com

Neither cat has any special needs and they’re both healthy adults, going on 5 and 3.

Merlin did have an allergic reaction to a vaccination last spring that was scary to deal with. We had to rush him back to the vet and he got a steroid injection and time in the oxygen tent. So, picking a new place feels like an important decision.

If you have it narrowed down to 2, I would honestly book the closest/most convenient appointment and if the vibes are off during the appointment try the other one next time.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


One of my dogs gets pills in marshmallows, and earlier this week one of the cats got a marshmallow and is now demanding one every time he thinks anyone else is getting one. I'm not trying to share or encourage this behavior, but he's gonna get one every now and then. Do I need to worry about anything other than a fat cat? Google is very concerned about diabetes, but I couldn't find anything else.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Not giving, but yeah, the marshmallows he gets will be the mini ones.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


My boy has decided he's going to be on the kitchen island when I'm using it, and I'd prefer he didn't. I also assume he's surfing the counter when I'm not around because things occasionally end up on the floor that shouldn't. He climbs on the chairs, then the counter. I've tried foil and pointy plastic 'cat repellent' tiles and he doesn't care. What is the next cat deterrent I should try?

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


The Diddler posted:

My boy has decided he's going to be on the kitchen island when I'm using it, and I'd prefer he didn't. I also assume he's surfing the counter when I'm not around because things occasionally end up on the floor that shouldn't. He climbs on the chairs, then the counter. I've tried foil and pointy plastic 'cat repellent' tiles and he doesn't care. What is the next cat deterrent I should try?

My man ssscatted himself about an hour after I set it up and now seems to give roughly zero shits about the counter now, that rules

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006



So...I get that you're dealing with a lot, and I don't want to play thread cop, but I feel like you're turning this thread into your personal diary and not gonna lie, it's getting stale. I'm trying to learn things about my new kittens.

To put it bluntly,

mawarannahr posted:

In a fair country, the state would take your cats away.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


JHomer722 posted:

Following up on my earlier post with a question/rant for those with foster experience: our foster cat came to us with a spot of missing hair and inflamed skin. We sent a picture to the foster contact, and they recommended a medicated wipe to help heal the skin, but didn’t suggest any diagnosis. I independently suspected ringworm, which we confirmed as best we could at home using the UV light method, and the foster was apologetic and recommended a medicated shampoo and environmental cleaning.

We’ve been following the topical treatment and cleaning protocols, but isolating the cat and the associated volume of cleaning/laundry has been stressful. I asked a couple of times about making a vet appointment for a formal diagnosis and systemic treatment, which should lead to faster resolution of the infection. But the foster kept discouraging the idea due to the culture timeline and effect of antifungals on the liver.

When I pressed the point, the foster basically said no systemic treatment, and we can give him back if we disagree. Which is totally within their right, but I also don’t think requesting a vet prescribed, on-label medication is that extreme an ask? All of the peer reviewed research I have read suggests both topical and systemic treatment are needed, and that oral meds at the prescribed dosage are supported by tolerability and safety studies.

We’re interested in adoption, but need to see how the foster and our household cat get along, which we can’t really do until the foster is out of isolation. I guess I’m mainly frustrated that the correspondence with the foster has become conflictual, with the cat in the middle.

Do you have your own vet you could contact? Not necessarily even for treatment, just to have someone take an educated peek at it. That seems really weird that they don't want the animal checked out, considering animal welfare should be at the heart of what they do.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


I asked my vet a similar question a few months ago when we got our kittens, and they said basically if they'll eat kibble you can stop the gruel.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006



That sucks, my condolences. You did everything you could, hopefully you know that and it provides you with some comfort.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Deteriorata posted:

Whatever you choose, you need an active flea management system. You can't just react when your cats get infested.

So this is probably a dumb question, but one that's not occurred to me before:

We have dogs, the dogs get flea treatment. The dogs also go outside, where the could catch fleas. The cats do not have flea treatment, but they don't ever go outside. Do they need flea treatment?

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


I assumed it was a repellent, I guess I'll talk to the vet about it. Thanks!

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


^ condolences, losing a loved one sucks enormous rear end

So we lost track of time and our female is in heat. She's indoor only and our male is fixed, so that's not a concern, but she seems absolutely miserable. Her spay is scheduled for Thursday, is there anything we can do in the meantime to help?

Also, this is the second time I've discovered that the 'hilarious antics' of a cartoon animal *aren't* that funny irl :(

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


El Jeffe posted:

Do cat repellent products like this actually work?

I think these things are usually a maybe. Sometimes they work as intended, sometimes the anti-chew spray makes the wall extra delicious.

What behavior do you need to adjust? There's probably a better product available.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Nuclear Tourist posted:

This guy is little over a year old now, but he's a Maine Coon so he's already gigantic. Will still absolutely demolish anything not nailed down.



I want to bury my fingers in his belly fur, consequences be damned!

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


So I'm pretty sure the answer is "lol," but is there any way to keep a cat off of a keyboard? They insist on being all over the desk when I work, which is whatever, but they don't care what they step on so they end up trying to delete emails.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Chronojam posted:

New cat havers should be aware that cats learn language incredibly fast but often don't give a gently caress; this also means you can give them multiple valid and varied nicknames and they'll actually stick, since names matter to a cat.

It was wild to me how fast mine learned their names and what sort of stuff we didn't want them on.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Len posted:

We're going to put one of our cats down this weekend after a struggle with kidney problems. She's still holding on but she's eating less and less each day and is down to 9 pounds from 14 six months ago.

I know our two other cats have walnut brains but I know they're going to notice she's gone. One of them has been with her since early 2017 when we brought her home the other since 2022. How do I help these guys deal with the loss? Am I overthinking it?

I still don't know if I'm making the right choice but she's clearly struggling and I'm hoping to let her go out on a good day. She's the first pet I've lost since highschool and I forgot how devastating it is.

Here's one of my oldest pictures of my Princess Jellybean/bean/beanjamin



And here's a recent picture



She was 6 or 7 when we took her from a coworker that was going to put her down so I gave her almost 8 more years but I can't help but feel like that still wasn't enough

Condolences. Losing a friend sucks.

My advice: take her friends with. I can't speak for cats, but my dogs understood their friend had passed. We once had to do it in an emergency situation where we couldn't take anyone else, if that's your situation: remember to hold her after she's passed. That smell will get on your clothes and everyone at home will figure it out.

Afterwards, expect everyone in the house to be kinda bummed out for a while. It's around 3-5 days for dogs, in my experience.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Len posted:

Thanks everyone, it hurts and I still don't know if I'm making the right call or not but I also don't want her to go out in more pain than she already likely is in. It's been hitting me on and off since I made the appointment Monday but I can least talk about it now without turning into a blubbering mess so I guess that's good? I keep wondering if we would have more time if we had caught it sooner and feeling like I let her down and I know that's just me beating myself up but I can't help it.

Just remember you're doing one last nice thing for your buddy. You're gonna second guess yourself on a lot of things for a while, so don't be afraid to ask your vet questions.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


diremonk posted:

Now I just have to figure out a better solution for the cat boxes to keep the litter from going everywhere. Has anyone managed to convert there cats over to using a top entrance box from a normal one? They are all young, less than three years old so it might be easy-ish to do.

We just switched from a hacked up plastic tote they crawled into from the side to a big cabinet with steps and shelves. Mine are like 9 months old, so after we added litter we just tossed them both in there and shut the doors. That way they are aware of the new toilet and how to get in and out before they need it. It's been about 2 weeks with no issues.

Not sure if that's the best way to do it, but I've learned cats are pretty clever and adaptable, at least as kittens.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


I have to assume she's pretty resourceful, if she's been surviving for a few years. Make sure she has food and water that isn't frozen, and she'll find the warmest available spot.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Fountain chat: We got a miau a couple of weeks ago, and my experience couldn't be more different than knuthgrush (except the too much styrofoam part). I couldn't tell you which of us had the abnormal time, though. Hopefully it works out for you!

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Nah, you can't do that. You did everything you could, to the best of your abilities and the vet's advice. You took care of your friend and gave them the best life they could have, and unfortunately the hardest decision you have to make about them results in you being lost without them.

Second guessing yourself will only lead to more pain. Deep down, you know you did the right things...you just gotta remember.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


I. M. Gei posted:

btw where do y'all get your cat trees and cat climbing play towers from?

I see a lot of neat-looking cat trees posted in this thread, but I don't really know where to look for them beyond Petco, Petsmart, or maybe Wayfair even though they suck poo poo as a company. I only have one big one from Petco that I think needs replacing, and I could use at least a couple more. Maybe a couple of big ones and a smaller one to put next to our couch?

https://www.armarkat.com/

I've bought 3 from here, no complaints. They're expensive, so I exclusively buy from the sale section. 2 of mine are 6+ ft tall and have next to no wobble, but reviews show some aren't as sturdy.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


xzzy posted:

they see all rooms as part of their territory and being restricted from a piece of it requires investigation.

This is what it is at my house, at least. One of them likes to play with the door and the other just gets a little miffed that I'm in a room without her. She just glares at me when I open the door and then checks the room for invaders or whatever.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Why would I want to trim their claws? Do they scratch on stuff less or does it hurt less when they stab you?

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


The first time my dipshit jumped on them he got kinda freaked out, but after that he realized that it wasn't terrible and had no effect. I was shocked, because those spikes are pretty stiff and pokey.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Extra Smooth Balls posted:

How long does the REALLY insane kitten stage last?

My partner and I adopted an 8 week old kitten (to be buddies with our 1 year old cat) a couple of weeks ago.

He's currently in his "BITE EVERYTHING" era which honestly I don't mind so much, but for some reason he seems to really pick on my partner, he also scales his legs (which he's never done to me).

For reference I grew up with cats and my partner has never owned them before, so he's super anxious about getting things wrong which I feel might be part of it.

cat tax:

What I've found effective is saying 'oww' really loud, which is usually involuntary, unhooking the claws from wherever they're embedded, then tell him "no claws." It felt like it took him forever to learn it, but it was probably a month before he realized I didn't want to be stabbed.

I'm sure it would have gone faster if I was more consistent with it, but he's roughly 9 months now and pretty good about it.


xzzy posted:

You can't really punish cats, you run the risk of them associating you as a bad experience. So I guess the punishment works but you may end up with a cat that's no fun to live with.

Cats learn behavior by disengagement. If they do something you don't like get up and walk away, don't even look at them. A few minutes should be sufficient.

I understand that's kind of hard when they're climbing your pants but it should help with the biting.

I was really concerned about this, I'm sure you can squeeze in a flick or something, but I don't know much about cats and I'd rather have him love me and cut me instead of hating me.

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The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


I guess I assumed the cats would take care of the mice, is that not how that works? Are some cats actually not terrorizers of small moving things?

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Raenir Salazar posted:

These are both good ideas. I worry that the force of moving might make the fur of the cat go under neath the barrier anyways, but might be enough of a buffer and warning that she'll move away before that happens. Taking off the wheels is an idea but has other problems (my chair might end up too relative to my desk to be comfortable) plus the difficulties of manoeuvring but these are both promising thanks :)

I've got the rollerblade wheels on my chair, and each cat had exactly 1 tuft of fur removed before they recognized that they need to keep their head on a swivel by the chair. Not sure how smart my cats are relative to other cats, but it might be less of an issue than you think.

I'm gonna keep that roll of tape idea in my back pocket in case it becomes an issue though.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Question about behavior around treats: my boy has started being weird when I give him treats. He sniffs it a bit, then rubs both sides of his mouth on it. It's slowly escalated over a couple of weeks, to the point where he'll rub on it 3 or 4 times, try to bat it around a bunch, maybe try to run off with it. It started with him being interested in the mini marshmallows I give my dogs, and I assume it was because he liked the smell and the dogs would steal it whenever he got like an inch away from it. He's now doing it with the temptations treats as well, in addition to seemingly not appreciating when the dogs eat those too.

So I guess my question is what the hell is he doing, and do I need to be concerned?

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


DicktheCat posted:

Chris is food motivated, so it's really odd. But it's also like he can sense that a food is good for him and hates it. I got him expensive joint health treats, which he rejected after a few days.

I have a dog like this. As far as I can tell, she can smell the 'medicine' and knows it's not food. It's usually trial and error to find something to cover whatever smell she's upset about. Do they make a stinkier toothpaste?

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Lord Zedd-Repulsa posted:

I lost a 20 year old cat last year and it was pretty rough. It's never long enough with them but I'll carry her ashes with me as long as possible.

Like...literally? What do you use for that?

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


deoju posted:

laffo gonna send this to my friend as soon as I figure out how to explain what this dead gay comedy forum is

There's a goon making a podcast about the stupid things that have happened here, just start with 12 hours of audio homework

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Hug in a Can posted:

He already has a Chipolo, which is a similar product.

I don’t think you’ll find a better solution without engineering your own device right now, sorry op!

Yeah, I've never heard of that and it just looks like a different airtag, but the same size. I feel like if a smaller battery-operated tracker/beeper existed, we would know about it because that would be what the news reports talk about when they discuss modern stalking problems instead of airtags.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Cimber posted:

The best thing I can say is, have an honest heart to heart with your family and your vet and try to figure out if doing things after the tests is worth while and is going to provide her a quality two more years, or if it was just going to keep her around but in pain. Cats do not show discomfort until its really the end, and by the time we had realized that our cat was approaching the end she was clearly miserable. I felt that we were keeping her alive for our sakes to avoid the grief, and not for her sake to keep her happy and thriving.

I hope that makes sense. I read somewhere later on this phrase, and it's stuck with me. "Better two weeks too early to say goodbye than two weeks too late."

I've not had to do it with a cat yet, but I've had to have these conversations about dogs before, and it sucks. I've also asked things like "what would you do if it was your dog" of the vet, because I know she doesn't have the same emotional investment as I do.

OP, not sure what your family situation is, but have some of the hard conversations tonight, in case quick decisions need to be made. You don't necessarily need to talk thru every possible option, but if everyone is on the same page you have a 'north star' to refer to when it's hard to think. Good luck.

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The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


Boris Galerkin posted:

For the abdominal ultrasound, they had to shave her belly, which is fine. But when I got home I noticed that there was blood on/around one of the nipples. Like, I get that nicks and accidents happen but they didn't mention it to me? Not even a hey so we accidentally nicked her nipple, so sorry. Am I expecting too much or is it reasonable to tell me?

That really depends on how worked up she was, imo. If it was small enough that it didn't bleed right away, they may not have seen it and if she was too worked up to be properly examined...

Is this the first time she's had issues with the vet? I would try to get a second opinion on the murmur, but try to plan ahead and have her properly medicated beforehand so you can confirm if that's an issue.

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