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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Anybody remotely interesting is mad in some way or another.


It's time once again for a thread for asking questions about wrestling that really don't deserve their own thread. This can lead into a little, limited discussion within the thread itself, or might require a simple, straightforward answer and nothing else! If a question is generating a lot of discussion, might I suggest moving it over to the appropriate Wrestling Promotion Discussion Thread where possible.

In addition to relying on the completely unbiased and forward thinking minds of Wrestlehut, here are some resources for answering questions you might have!

Online World of Wrestling - The former Obsessed with Wrestling, an incredibly useful and jampacked with information website.

Wrestling Observer star rating list - Does somebody have a different opinion than you? Can't back your own up but are desperate to prove your opponent wrong? Well here's Dave Meltzer's star ratings, ranging from -5 all the way up to 4 and 3/4!

CageMatch - Massive Database on Wrestlers, full of statistics

Wikipedia The place to find out all about events featuring professional wrestling matches with outcomes predetermined by script writers; the matches feature wrestlers portraying their characters in planned storylines that took place before, during and after the event.

Previous thread here: The Old Wrestling Questions Thread

Sleazy (and probably fake) wrestling road stories

DVD Observer Quotes, (Mostly?) True!

Now get quest(ion)ing!

Below are a list of wrestlers/promotions in alphabetical order. I've linked to any and all questions made in regards to them, and replies/responses to these questions are found in the posts that follow them:

Alex Shelley
What happened to Alex Shelley?

Andre the Giant
What was the tag-team that had Andre and other big men wearing black singlets and lucha masks?
Was Big Show really booked as Andre's son?

Antonio Cesaro/Claudio Castagnoli
How can I introduce people to the greatness that is Antonio/Claudio?

Art Donovan
Who was the guest commentator who kept asking how much wrestlers weighed?

AWA
Was Verne Gagne as important to wrestling history as he was made out to be?

Bam Neeley
What happened to Bam Neeley?

Batista
Is it true that Batista cheated on his wife while she had cancer?
Did Benoit and Batista ever have a match?

Beth Phoenix
Is Beth Phoenix pregnant?

Big Show
Was Big Show really booked as Andre the Giant's son?
Didn't Big Show win the European Title from William Regal?

Bobby Heenan
What happened to Bobby Heenan?

Bret Hart
Was Bret Hart ever a big draw?
Did Bret take events leading to the Montreal Screwjob too seriously or was he justified?

Brian Pillman
Why did Brian Pillman join The Hart Foundation?
Why did Brian Pillman have a gun?

Buff Bagwell
Why did Buff think he was going to be the next big thing if Rock hadn't come along?

Charles Robinson
Is Lil' Naitch (Charles Robinson) related to Ric Flair?

Chikara
How do I get started with the Chikara promotion?

Chris Benoit
Did Benoit and Batista ever have a match?
What place should Benoit have in wrestling in light of the murders/suicide? What was the PSP reaction to the news?

Chris Kreski
When did Chris Kreski lose booking power/stop writing for WWE?

CM Punk
Has CM Punk ever had a five star match?
When did CM Punk first use the Go 2 Sleep?
How did Punk manage to keep his indy name in WWE?
Has Jerry Lynn ever fought CM Punk?
Has Kevin Steen ever faced CM Punk?
Who did CM Punk defend against during his 434 Day Title Reign?

Colt Cabana
What are the "must-listen" episodes of Cabana's Art of Wrestling Podcast?

Cryme Tyme
What was the deal with Cryme Tyme being fired over a referee

CZW
Were the hardcore matches done by the old ECW ever as violent as CZW and their Tournament of Death?
Why are CZW/IWA MS/etc allowed to keep doing what they do?
How much do those guys make for mutilating their bodies for such small audiences?

Daniel Puder
What was the Puder/Angle controversy?
More on the Puder/Angle controversy
What happened to Daniel Puder's run in Ring of Honor?

Darkness Crabtree
Is Darkness Crabtree actually Mike Quackenbush?

Divas
Which Diva has the worst "kayfabe" taste in men?
How did Sable's breasts make it on-air for a taped show?
Have any Divas been wellnessed?
Is AJ Lee the most pushed women in the history of WWE?
Is it right to mock Vickie (or anybody) as being fat?
Why was Nancy Benoit called "Woman"?
Were there any female WWE title champs?

ECW
Were the hardcore matches done by the old ECW ever as violent as CZW and their Tournament of Death?
What's the deal with "Kimona Wanalaya DANCED ON TOP OF THE ECW ARENA!"?
Why are people so condemning of Mike Awesome leaving ECW for WCW?
What was the deal with Doink the Clown being in ECW?
Why was Heyman so bad with money in the ECW days?

Evan Bourne/Matt Sydal
What happened to Evan Bourne in WWE?

Evolution
What was Evolutions "vibe"?

Goldust
Was the Goldust gimmick a joke/rib/prank?

Heels
Who only works as a face and sucks as a heel?
Who has stayed face or heel for their entire career?
When was the last clearly heel ref?
When was the last time a heel had a good explanation for a heel turn?
Did old school wrestlers really kick off full-scale riots amongst fans?
Who were the best heel tag teams, either serious or comedy?
Has there ever been a good Heel vs Heel feud?

Hulk Hogan
What is the origin of,"IT'S A SHOOT, BROTHER!"?
What was the deal with the Halloween Havoc where Hogan lay down for Sting?
Was the Hogan/Warrior match at Wrestlemania 6 the longest in Warrior's career?

Indys
Why do Indys struggle financially?
Why didn't any Indy run in the New Yorker venue after ROH finished with them in 2006?

IWA MS
Why are CZW/IWA MS/etc allowed to keep doing what they do?
How much do those guys make for mutilating their bodies for such small audiences?

Japan/Puro
How do I watch/access Japanese wrestling?
What do the various colors of "mists" do in wrestling?
What was the Japanese group that served as inspiration for the NWO?
How do you follow Puro wrestling if you don't speak Japanese?
What's a good example of a "Strong Style" match?
Why is The Burning Hammer so highly regarded as a Finisher?
What happened to Mitsuhiro Matsunaga and Takuya Sugi?

Jerry Lawler
What's the deal with Lawler's huge amount of title belts?

Jerry Lynn
Has Jerry Lynn ever fought CM Punk?

Jim Ross (JR)
Does Vince hate Jim Ross? Why?

John Cena
Who are John Cena's friends in the locker room?
Why do people hate John Cena? Part 2
Has anyone ever had as much merchandising/shirts as Cena?
How long has John Cena been the top guy in WWE? - asked in May, 2013

Johnny Ace
Do Triple H and Johnny Ace get on?

Kevin Steen
Has Kevin Steen ever faced CM Punk?

Khali
Why does Khali walk so awkwardly?

Koko B. Ware
Is Koko B. Ware in the Hall of Fame?

Konnan
Has Konnan ever had a good match?

Kurt Angle
What was the Puder/Angle controversy? More on the Angle/Puder controversy
What is Kurt Angle's take on the Daniel Puder situation?
Why does TNA have such a boner for Kurt Angle?
At their peaks, who was a bigger star - Kurt Angle or Sting?
Would Kurt Angle be a bigger star than Cena if he'd stayed in WWE?
Why is Kurt Angle no longer in WWE?

Lex Luger
Does Lex Luger have metal elbows?

Low Ki/Kaval
What happened to Kaval in WWE?

Lucha
Do lucha masks have defining characteristics?
Did Rey Mysterio need permission to wear his mask again?

Macho Man Randy Savage
Was the Dragon/Macho match at Wrestlemania 3 as great as it is made out to be?

Matt Hardy
How/when did Matt's V1 gimmick end?

Michael P.S Hayes
What does the P.S stand for?

Mick Foley
Was the Hell in a Cell match in 1998 the worst choice ever for Match of the Year?
Why did Foley "retire" in 2000?

Mike Awesome
Why are people so condemning of Mike Awesome leaving ECW for WCW?

Misc
What's the Gorilla Position?
When did people realize wrestling was fake?
Did any prospective wrestler ever start training while thinking wrestling was real?
What is the origin of "CAN YOU FEEL YOUR TOWS?"?
What's a go-home show?
How are guys greeted when they rejoin the company after an absence?
What is a Smark?
Why has the value of title belts been devalued?
How often has their been a good feud for the title that was NOT about the title?
Has a ref ever screwed up and counted 3 on a nearfall?
What is the origin of "going banana" sans the s?
Why do people so often lose in their hometowns?
Where are the best seats to watch wrestling in a football stadium?
How do wrestlers come up with submission moves?
What is the most offensive angle ever done in wrestling?
What wrestlers have been financially responsible?
Where can I get results of recent matches?
Where can I find career win/loss stats for wrestlers?
What are the biggest out-of-left-field title wins?
Who visibly appeared in promotions as fans before they became wrestlers?
Who is the oldest still active wrestler?
What is "corpsing"?

Miz
[url=http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3180956&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=425#post391546434]Why is Miz's nickname Kermit?


MVP
Why is MVP able to keep the same name he used in WWE in the indies/Japan?

NWA
What was the deal with NWA belts being on WWE television in the late 90s?
Did the NWA disassociate from TNA or was it the other way around?
Was Shane Douglas spitting on the NWA belt a work or a shoot?

NWO
How did the NWO die in WCW?
Why did NWO say "TOO SWEET" the way they did?
What was the Japanese group that served as inspiration for the NWO?

Patriot
What was the deal with The Patriot?

Paul Heyman
What's the deal with "Heyman Hustle"?
Why was Heyman so bad with money in the ECW days?

Petey Williams
What happened to Petey Williams?

Raven
What's Raven up to these days?
Does Raven have a great mind for the business?
Why does Vince McMahon dislike Raven so much?

Raw
Why did Raw have a different name for each hour?
What is the reasoning for the "Did You Know...?" facts that pop up after Raw's commercial breaks?

Rey Mysterio
Did Rey Mysterio need permission to wear his mask again?

Ric Flair
Did Ric Flair really have an in-ring heart attack?
Is Lil' Naitch (Charles Robinson) related to Ric Flair?
When did people begin to WOO at every chop?

Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat
Was the Dragon/Macho match at Wrestlemania 3 as great as it is made out to be?

Rowdy Roddy Piper
How protected was Roddy Piper during the 80s?

Santino
Is Santino really an MMA/Judo fighter?

Scott Hall
Was the Steve Austin/Scott Hall feud at Wrestlemania 18 a letdown?

Scott Steiner
What's the difference between a Hurricanrana and a Frankenstiner?
When did Scott Steiner start wearing chainmail?

Shane Douglas
Was Shane Douglas spitting on the NWA belt a work or a shoot?
Did Shane Douglas actually work at a Target?

Shane McMahon
Did people know WWE bought WCW before Vince and Shane appeared on Nitro to announce it?

Shawn Michaels
What was with Shawn's "stiff" upper lip when he returned to WWE?
Why does Shawn wear chaps?

Sheamus
Why do people like Sheamus?

Smackdown
Is Smackdown worth watching? (Yes)

Spike Dudley
What happened to Spike Dudley?

Stephanie McMahon
What's the "kayfabe" story between HHH/Stephanie

Sting
Would WWE have given Sting a better career?
What was the deal with the Halloween Havoc where Hogan lay down for Sting?
Did anyone hate Sting backstage in WCW?
Where did Sting's original gimmick come from?
Did Sting wrestle at house shows in 1997?
At their peaks, who was a bigger star - Kurt Angle or Sting?
Was Sting as big a star as Undertaker?
Why did Sting switch to a Joker gimmick?

Stone Cold Steve Austin
Was the Steve Austin/Scott Hall feud at Wrestlemania 18 a letdown?
Is the Stunner the most consistently over Finisher of all time?
What's the best Stone Cold match of all time?

Terry Funk
Why did Terry call himself Chainsaw Charlie?
What part did Terry play in the Taker/Mankind Hell in a Cell match?

TNA
Did the NWA disassociate from TNA or was it the other way around?
Why does TNA have such a boner for Kurt Angle?
Is TNA worth watching?

Tommy Dreamer
Is Tommy Dreamer considered a competent worker?

Triple H
Why did Triple H change The Pedigree?
What's the "kayfabe" story between HHH/Stephanie
How many times has Triple H torn a quad?
Do Triple H and Johnny Ace get on?
Why was Triple H so highly regarded in 2000?

Ultimate Warrior
Did WCW have an Ultimate Warrior ripoff?
Was the Hogan/Warrior match at Wrestlemania 6 the longest in Warrior's career?
Did Ultimate Warrior have a tug of war with Hercules' Chain?

Undertaker
When did The Undertaker become unofficial Locker Room Leader?
Who has kicked out of Undertaker's Tombstone Piledriver?
Was Sting as big a star as Undertaker?
Was the Hell in a Cell match in 1998 the worst choice ever for Match of the Year?
Do any wrestlers have anything bad to say about Undertaker?
Would anybody read an Undertaker autobiography?

Verne Gagne
Was Verne Gagne as important to wrestling history as he was made out to be?

Vince McMahon
Did people know WWE bought WCW before Vince and Shane appeared on Nitro to announce it?
How long did it take after the Montreal Screwjob for Vince to embrace fully the "Mr. McMahon" character?
Why did Vince start a bodybuilding promotion?
Why did Vince agree to a behind-the-scenes documentary filmed by an outside crew, which eventually lead to Wrestling With Shadows being made?
Is Vince McMahon actually a good promoter or just lucky?
Does Vince hate Jim Ross? Why?
What was the deal with the Kiss My rear end Club?

Vince Russo
What should be done with Vince Russo?
Why is Vince Russo so poorly thought of?

Wrestlemania
How are the Wrestlemania Anthology DVDs?
Was Wrestlemania 3's record 93,000 attendance a lie?
Was the Dragon/Macho match at Wrestlemania 3 as great as it is made out to be?
Was the Hogan/Warrior match at Wrestlemania 6 the longest in Warrior's career?
What was the PSP/WH2K/SAS reaction to the main event of Wrestlemania 20?
How did the Fatal Four-way Main Event of Wrestlemania 2000 come about?

WCW
How did WCW eclipse WWE for so long?
Did WCW have an Ultimate Warrior ripoff?
Why did WCW have tighter ring-ropes than WWE?
Did people know WWE bought WCW before Vince and Shane appeared on Nitro to announce it?
When did Michael Buffer stop doing ring introductions for PPVs?

WWE
Does anyone else dislike the "fan gets involved, contracted" storyline
Does WWE really drug-test its wrestlers?
What is the WWE Style? Who uses it?
Who lost their WWE push due to marijuana?
Why doesn't WWE keep feuding stars apart as long as possible?
How real was "Brawl For All"?
Would WWE ever make its own non-canon, non-televised "indy" show?
What other terrible periods has Raw gone through?
How do royalties work in WWE?
How do PPV bonuses work in WWE?
Could a new company genuinely rival WWE in this day and age?
Where can I get a good history of title belts?
How come WWE never comes to Seattle anymore?
Were there any female WWE title champs?
Didn't PPVs used to start earlier?
What was the WWE sex scandal?

X-Pac
What is X-Pac Heat?

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at Aug 9, 2014 around 11:11

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BigRed0427
Mar 22, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.


Were the hardcore matches done by the old ECW ever as violent as CZW and their Tournament of Death?

And do we really need to start a new thread?

HulkaMatt
Feb 14, 2006

CHEERS, LOVE.
THE CAVALYAAAY'S HERE!


Thanks Jerusalem~!

Let's try to ask questions, give answers (and thanks I guess) in this thread.


BigRed0427 posted:

And do we really need to start a new thread?


YES WE DID.

Vonnegut Asterisk
Apr 13, 2007

Brandon, you put Pat White down this instant young man!

I see a lot of posts on Wrestlehut about guys who should turn heel because they're more awesome that way. I want answers on the reverse: who only works as a face and sucks as a heel?

The answers I bring to the table are:

Khali
Tommy Dreamer
Sting
Jeff Hardy

LoboLoboLobo
May 26, 2008

yoink!

Vonnegut Asterisk posted:

I see a lot of posts on Wrestlehut about guys who should turn heel because they're more awesome that way. I want answers on the reverse: who only works as a face and sucks as a heel?

The answers I bring to the table are:

Khali
Tommy Dreamer
Sting
Jeff Hardy

That's a long, very opinionated question that would probably be best served to the WWE thread?

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE


Vonnegut Asterisk posted:

I see a lot of posts on Wrestlehut about guys who should turn heel because they're more awesome that way. I want answers on the reverse: who only works as a face and sucks as a heel?

The answers I bring to the table are:

Khali
Tommy Dreamer
Sting
Jeff Hardy

Rey Mysterio can be added to this list. Pretty sure Tito Santana would have stunk as a heel, too.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Anybody remotely interesting is mad in some way or another.


yeah, I don't think Tommy Dreamer could EVER work as a heel. Sting has in the past and it's been dreadful, but I don't know how much of that is the company/writers he is working for and how much is down to his ability.

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at Aug 3, 2009 around 04:38

Wazzu
Feb 28, 2008

Are you sure I'm winning the Rumble? That does'nt seem right.....

BigRed0427 posted:

Were the hardcore matches done by the old ECW ever as violent as CZW and their Tournament of Death?

And do we really need to start a new thread?

They didn't use lighttubes matches, panes of glass or the especially stupid match types. CZW goes too far, following the lead of FMW.

Vonnegut Asterisk posted:

I see a lot of posts on Wrestlehut about guys who should turn heel because they're more awesome that way. I want answers on the reverse: who only works as a face and sucks as a heel?

The answers I bring to the table are:

Khali
Tommy Dreamer
Sting
Jeff Hardy

This is more about how people are booked, and smarkiness. Bad guys get to be cool, funny and smart, whereas faces are either bland by comparison, or are worse jerks who think that they're not jerks. Some people (stone cold) make the transition fine, others don't (cena and triple h a lot of the time, shelton benjamin trying to be a heel).

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump


CombineThresher posted:

Rey Mysterio can be added to this list. Pretty sure Tito Santana would have stunk as a heel, too.

Possibly Ricky Steamboat as well.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE


Wazzu posted:

They didn't use light tubes, panes of glass or the especially stupid match types. CZW goes too far, following the lead of FMW.

Ian and Axl Rotten had some pretty CZWish matches, and people going through flaming tables was pretty ridiculous. But yeah, generally ECW was more about garbage wrestling than deathmatch stuff.

yea ok
Jul 27, 2006

postin levels------its over 9000!!!!!!!!!


sabu/terry funk barbed wire was pretty grotesque

gif Probst
Oct 20, 2006

= the tribe has spoken =


BUTTHOLE MAGICIAN posted:

sabu/terry funk barbed wire was pretty grotesque

ecw never used a weed whacker as a weapon, never mind one that was used in the match and didn't even lead to the finish.

KungFu Grip
Jun 18, 2008

HUSS
HUSS
HUSS


grody but still def posted:

ecw never used a weed whacker as a weapon, never mind one that was used in the match and didn't even lead to the finish.

That Tai Pei Death Match Ian and Axel had was pretty terrible and hard to watch on multiple levels.

TL
Jan 16, 2006

Yeah, it is. Isn't it?

Bowties are cool.

grody but still def posted:

ecw never used a weed whacker as a weapon, never mind one that was used in the match and didn't even lead to the finish.

I also don't remember ECW spraying lemon juice on open wounds. Or pouring bleach down anyone's throat.

Matlock
Sep 12, 2004

Childs Play Charity 2011 Total: $1755


TL posted:

I also don't remember ECW spraying lemon juice on open wounds. Or pouring bleach down anyone's throat.

They did shove Justin Credible down our throats, which is debatably worse

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


TL posted:

I also don't remember ECW spraying lemon juice on open wounds. Or pouring bleach down anyone's throat.

Why are CZW/IWA MS/etc allowed to keep doing what they do? I mean, I know there is no sanctioning board for the business, but I mean, this has to be reckless endangerment or something.

Lazy like a Fox
Jul 8, 2003

EKO SMASH!

On the bleach issue- I think ROH had Homicide force Cabana to drink "bleach", or was it Drano?

Speaking of terribly violent death matches-which fed had the SAW match, where the one dude got dropped on a shitload of syringes? There was a youtube video of that that was quite possibly the saddest thing I've ever seen.

DEAR RICHARD
Feb 5, 2009

IT'S TIME FOR MY TOOLS


Lazy like a Fox posted:

On the bleach issue- I think ROH had Homicide force Cabana to drink "bleach", or was it Drano?

Speaking of terribly violent death matches-which fed had the SAW match, where the one dude got dropped on a shitload of syringes? There was a youtube video of that that was quite possibly the saddest thing I've ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTzXdewxB4M

I think that is what you're talking about.

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS2_aZldH9c <--could be it.

DEAR RICHARD fucked around with this message at Aug 3, 2009 around 04:27

Jay 2K Winger
Oct 10, 2007

What are you looking for?

Lazy like a Fox posted:

On the bleach issue- I think ROH had Homicide force Cabana to drink "bleach", or was it Drano?

Drano gel. And after Cabana finally won the Chicago Street Fight against Homicide, Smokes and Reyes came out with a noose, but Homicide finally ended the madness and shook Cabana's hand.

Less than two minutes later, Cabana was back to his dancin' self.

Lazy like a Fox
Jul 8, 2003

EKO SMASH!

Batmanuel posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTzXdewxB4M

I think that is what you're talking about.

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS2_aZldH9c <--could be it.
It's the second one, but I didn't learn that until after I accidentally watched 30 seconds of the first one. Gross. I love how it's the same guy in both of them too- how long do these "careers" last for these guys?

Jay 2K Winger posted:

Drano gel. And after Cabana finally won the Chicago Street Fight against Homicide, Smokes and Reyes came out with a noose, but Homicide finally ended the madness and shook Cabana's hand.

Less than two minutes later, Cabana was back to his dancin' self.

That feud was probably the best one either of those guys ever had. The Chicago street fight in particular might be my favorite match from both of them, and one of my favorite deathmatches.

sportsgenius86
Jun 17, 2008

THE STREAK IS OVER


Batmanuel posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTzXdewxB4M

I think that is what you're talking about.

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS2_aZldH9c <--could be it.


Jesus Christ.

PUNKS DIET SODA
Nov 24, 2007

John. What are you doing.

Batmanuel posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTzXdewxB4M

I think that is what you're talking about.

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS2_aZldH9c <--could be it.

Holy gently caress that made me feel sick.

You tend to know how to find all the sick stuff, don't you dude?

bartok
May 10, 2006

hey!
hey!
it's me kane!
hello!


So how much do those guys make for mutilating their bodies for such small audiences ?

sportsgenius86
Jun 17, 2008

THE STREAK IS OVER


Chunky Delight posted:

So how much do those guys make for mutilating their bodies for such small audiences ?


a diluted joint and some Faygo

gif Probst
Oct 20, 2006

= the tribe has spoken =


Lazy like a Fox posted:

On the bleach issue- I think ROH had Homicide force Cabana to drink "bleach", or was it Drano?

Speaking of terribly violent death matches-which fed had the SAW match, where the one dude got dropped on a shitload of syringes? There was a youtube video of that that was quite possibly the saddest thing I've ever seen.

it was "drano". (Powerade actually)

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump


grody but still def posted:

it was "drano". (Powerade actually)

Dear god, that might actually be worse

DEAR RICHARD
Feb 5, 2009

IT'S TIME FOR MY TOOLS


CapCityGoofBall posted:

Holy gently caress that made me feel sick.

You tend to know how to find all the sick stuff, don't you dude?

I'm a pro. HulkaMatt told me so.

Southern Heel
Jul 2, 2004



Did anything come of WWE's alleged interest in bringing back Sycho Sid for one more run?

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


Does anyone else dislike the "fan gets involved, contracted" storyline ( Zach Gowen, Santino, Mickie James, Rosa Mendez)? I think it will eventually lead to some mark kid trying to be Rosa to Cena's Beth and getting hurt. It just sends mixed messages.

Made You Look
Oct 16, 2008

Jerichoholics Anonymous


What's the story with Triple H's pedigree. I see one video where he has the arms tigered up the whole time (allegedly this being the first time he busted it out) and pretty much spikes the guy into the mat like he was doing a DDT with his knees. Then it became the flat face crusher with the arms held, and now he doesn't even hold the arms. Why and is there a story behind the first one?

The Goog
Aug 6, 2007


projecthalaxy posted:

Does anyone else dislike the "fan gets involved, contracted" storyline ( Zach Gowen, Santino, Mickie James, Rosa Mendez)? I think it will eventually lead to some mark kid trying to be Rosa to Cena's Beth and getting hurt. It just sends mixed messages.

WWE is always hopping back and forth on the issue of fan involvement. They tell fans not to get involved, but then they have angles like Rosa and Gowen. They say "don't try this at home," and yet they show footage of the Hardys (and before them it was Mick Foley) doing just that. It's not the only case of hypocrisy they're guilty of, but it is annoying.

DJExile
Jun 27, 2007

If loving you is binturong, I don't want to binturight.

What the hell ever came of Spike Dudley? Did WWE and TNA never really find a permanent pace for him in amongst Ray and D-Von?

Free Market Gravy
Sep 17, 2005



DJExile posted:

What the hell ever came of Spike Dudley? Did WWE and TNA never really find a permanent pace for him in amongst Ray and D-Von?

I think he went back to teaching (could be wrong). I don't think TNA ever really wanted him (nor did he want to be a full-time wrestler at that point) and the WWE would never have had a place for him. His entire draw in ECW was that he was the little, goofy scrawny guy who could slay the giants. What goofy, scrawny guy in the WWE has ever been successful or gotten a lot of screen time, even as a comedy character? Vince loves his giants and would never let them be slayed, so that left Spike to get over as a serious wrestler. You can imagine how well that would work.

Made You Look posted:

What's the story with Triple H's pedigree. I see one video where he has the arms tigered up the whole time (allegedly this being the first time he busted it out) and pretty much spikes the guy into the mat like he was doing a DDT with his knees. Then it became the flat face crusher with the arms held, and now he doesn't even hold the arms. Why and is there a story behind the first one?

The first one was the result of Marty Gardner (the guy taking the Pedigree) thinking HHH was going for a butterfly suplex and jumping into a somersault. It was never intended to be done that way. It was just a botch. As for why he no longer hooks the arms, probably because most people are more comfortable taking the face bump while being able to protect themselves. People still buy it as a finisher, so I guess it doesn't make a difference, but it does look silly compared to the old way he did it.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your Mother!


Made You Look posted:

What's the story with Triple H's pedigree. I see one video where he has the arms tigered up the whole time (allegedly this being the first time he busted it out) and pretty much spikes the guy into the mat like he was doing a DDT with his knees. Then it became the flat face crusher with the arms held, and now he doesn't even hold the arms. Why and is there a story behind the first one?

By holding the double-underhook the entire way through the drop, Triple H (and anyone else doing the same thing) was liable to drop someone on his head and break his neck (I seem to recall footage of him doing just that during his early days in the WWF, 1996-ish). A while back he started pushing his opponent down to the mat as opposed to just spiking him, which, while less visually impressive, is a LOT safer.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE


Free Market Gravy posted:

I think he went back to teaching (could be wrong). I don't think TNA ever really wanted him (nor did he want to be a full-time wrestler at that point) and the WWE would never have had a place for him. His entire draw in ECW was that he was the little, goofy scrawny guy who could slay the giants. What goofy, scrawny guy in the WWE has ever been successful or gotten a lot of screen time, even as a comedy character? Vince loves his giants and would never let them be slayed, so that left Spike to get over as a serious wrestler. You can imagine how well that would work.

Spike got fairly over with the Molly Holly romance angle and the moments during the Invasion where he defied Austin. Let's not underestimate the guy too much here.

Alan_Shore
Dec 2, 2004

Mah boys!

I seem to remember Spike getting over when he became an evil genius who ordered the Dudleys around on Smackdown.

Rusty Shackelford
Feb 7, 2005


Chunky Delight posted:

So how much do those guys make for mutilating their bodies for such small audiences ?

Realistically, less than $100 a show.

Tarodia
Jan 13, 2008

Winners don't do drugs

Rusty Shackelford posted:

Realistically, less than $100 a show.

More like $25 and some free food from the concession stand.

Spike's got a wrestling school and I hear he's a great teacher. Dude's surprisingly a draw for local indies. He drew more (and cost much less) than motherfucking Jimmy Snuka!

battlemonk
Dec 10, 2008


projecthalaxy posted:

Why are CZW/IWA MS/etc allowed to keep doing what they do? I mean, I know there is no sanctioning board for the business, but I mean, this has to be reckless endangerment or something.

The government is leery of regulating things done between consenting adults (that aren't sodomy.) So it's very hard to make an assault case, for example, with no complaining witness. If they want to whack each other with light tubes, they're free to do it as long as they're all consenting to it.

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Jay 2K Winger
Oct 10, 2007

What are you looking for?

Lazy like a Fox posted:

It's the second one, but I didn't learn that until after I accidentally watched 30 seconds of the first one. Gross. I love how it's the same guy in both of them too- how long do these "careers" last for these guys?


That feud was probably the best one either of those guys ever had. The Chicago street fight in particular might be my favorite match from both of them, and one of my favorite deathmatches.

It was definitely an awesome feud, and that feud-ender match had a number of good spots, like Cabana throwing rubbing alcohol in Homicide's bloody face, or the rain of chairs.

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