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MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


Aphrodite posted:

Do people consider that a good match? Nobody ever talks about the match itself.

I don't think so but who knows.

Also Eddy/Dean Malenko from Starrcade 97 is by far their worst match and WWE even put it on a DVD set for some reason.

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Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Kanye West - Touch the Sky


Survivor Series 97 is an awful, awful show. It's really amazing how much WWF's fantastic 1997 fell apart initially after Cornette got booted.

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


I think Montreal is in that WM3 Hogan vs Andre category where its not necessarily a good match but The Thing Happened so its still notable.

Baron Corbin
Oct 24, 2001

i'll always take care of you


Muldoon

MassRafTer posted:

And all three are better than Montreal.

Mike Awesome vs Masato Tanaka from ONS is their worst match in the US. Their best match was from the Westchester County Center on a TV taping from December of 99 that aired on NYE.

It's the one where Mike Awesome clotheslines the Spike Dudley girl and she spits out some (fake) teeth.

was she missing the teeth to begin with? because i'm pretty sure i remember her showing off her hosed up grill during a Spike promo after the attack

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


Baron Corbin posted:

was she missing the teeth to begin with? because i'm pretty sure i remember her showing off her hosed up grill during a Spike promo after the attack

I'm not sure honestly. It's something I remember vividly since I was sitting a few feet from where she spit them out and then saw the promo when it aired. Originally I thought "Holy poo poo he knocked out her teeth!" But then year's later someone involved with the show told me it was in fact a work. I was sad.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010


MassRafTer posted:

And all three are better than Montreal.

Mike Awesome vs Masato Tanaka from ONS is their worst match in the US. Their best match was from the Westchester County Center on a TV taping from December of 99 that aired on NYE.

It's the one where Mike Awesome clotheslines the Spike Dudley girl and she spits out some (fake) teeth.

Is that the one where Tanaka wins the strap?

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


El Gallinero Gros posted:

Is that the one where Tanaka wins the strap?

That was the week before in I believe Nashville. That's probably their second best match together.

ColeM
Dec 23, 2007
New User Alert!

Feels Villeneuve posted:

Survivor Series 97 is an awful, awful show. It's really amazing how much WWF's fantastic 1997 fell apart initially after Cornette got booted.

Is starrcade 97 considered a bad show? I watched it and goddamn it was awful. Why are Vincent and mongo on the card and not Harlem heat, mysterio, wright, etc. they're sitting in the crowd, why not put them on????

The previously mentioned Eddie/dean match was the only good match and it was the loving opener.

rare Magic card l00k
Jan 3, 2011

Me uni a la Revolucion #RXT


el sabe ...


Starrcade 97 is probably the most disappointing show in the history of wrestling, almost entirely due to Hogan/Sting.

exploded mummy
Sep 10, 2008

So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from hell
Blue skies from pain
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?

- Incubus



Doctor Rope

ColeM posted:

Is starrcade 97 considered a bad show? I watched it and goddamn it was awful. Why are Vincent and mongo on the card and not Harlem heat, mysterio, wright, etc. they're sitting in the crowd, why not put them on????

The previously mentioned Eddie/dean match was the only good match and it was the loving opener.

to be honest I don't really mind the card composition that much, Mongo was still popular in the midcard as a horseman and they used him to push Goldberg and Vincent was in a prelim 6 man so whatever

its basically the ending to the top matches that basically kill it

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.




Grimey Drawer

IYH 5's main event is marred somewhat by the constant cutaways to Davey's wife (who is also Bret's sister)- like there's a good dramatic reason for her concern but not a minute goes by without a close up of her looking worried.

dont even fink about it
Oct 9, 2005

The right reading for this is the one I'm giving.

Feels Villeneuve posted:

Survivor Series 97 is an awful, awful show. It's really amazing how much WWF's fantastic 1997 fell apart initially after Cornette got booted.

It's actually one of the worst shows I've ever seen from WWF, certainly one of the worst from that time period.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


ColeM posted:

Is starrcade 97 considered a bad show? I watched it and goddamn it was awful. Why are Vincent and mongo on the card and not Harlem heat, mysterio, wright, etc. they're sitting in the crowd, why not put them on????

The previously mentioned Eddie/dean match was the only good match and it was the loving opener.

It's a very bad show. There's bait and switches, lots of heel wins, the matches are mostly bad and at best average and it ends in supremely dumb fashion.

Shiki Dan
Oct 27, 2010

If ya can move ya toes ya back's fine


dont even fink about it posted:

It's actually one of the worst shows I've ever seen from WWF, certainly one of the worst from that time period.

The D-Generation X PPV the next month is easily one of the very worst the company has ever done.
Everything you said is still true, however.

Man, despite being such one of the most historic months in BOTH WCW and WWF history--Nov 1997-Dec 1997 produced some god-awful PPVs.

shiksa
Nov 9, 2009



Shiki Dan posted:

The D-Generation X PPV the next month is easily one of the very worst the company has ever done.
Everything you said is still true, however.

Man, despite being such one of the most historic months in BOTH WCW and WWF history--Nov 1997-Dec 1997 produced some god-awful PPVs.

it kind of rules that both wwf and wcw had awful theme ppvs for their big rebellious centerpiece stables.

I watched a lot of wcw ppvs last year cause I never really watched wcw and I just wanted to and man that first souled out is one of the most tedious things I've ever watched.

e: stupid phone typos

shiksa fucked around with this message at Feb 17, 2018 around 09:00

fart blood
Sep 13, 2008



MassRafTer posted:

And all three are better than Montreal.

Mike Awesome vs Masato Tanaka from ONS is their worst match in the US. Their best match was from the Westchester County Center on a TV taping from December of 99 that aired on NYE.

It's the one where Mike Awesome clotheslines the Spike Dudley girl and she spits out some (fake) teeth.

Isn’t that match on one of WWE’s ECW DVDs? The one with the red cover?

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012


MassRafTer posted:

It's a very bad show. There's bait and switches, lots of heel wins, the matches are mostly bad and at best average and it ends in supremely dumb fashion.

And Nash bailing on (what I certainly hope was supposed to be) his jobbing to The Giant.
It was supposed to be the cathartic PPV where the good guys finally get the upper hand and....nope.

exploded mummy
Sep 10, 2008

So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from hell
Blue skies from pain
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?

- Incubus



Doctor Rope

ChrisBTY posted:

And Nash bailing on (what I certainly hope was supposed to be) his jobbing to The Giant.
It was supposed to be the cathartic PPV where the good guys finally get the upper hand and....nope.

the fans wanted it to be cathartic

Bischoff not so much, there's a reason they did a test run of nWo Nitro as the go-home show

flatluigi
Apr 22, 2008

here come the planes


To flip the current conversation a little, what would you do if you had to give someone a WWE network sub and three recommended PPVs to watch as their introduction to how actually good wrestling can be.

St Evan Echoes
Oct 17, 2004



Fun Shoe

WM17, NXT Brooklyn 2017, MITB 2011

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


fart blood posted:

Isn’t that match on one of WWE’s ECW DVDs? The one with the red cover?

I don't remember which one but yes I believe so.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Kanye West - Touch the Sky


flatluigi posted:

To flip the current conversation a little, what would you do if you had to give someone a WWE network sub and three recommended PPVs to watch as their introduction to how actually good wrestling can be.

Great American Bash 1989, Spring Stampede 1994, Canadian Stampede.

VJeff
Jun 2, 2011

#HEKNOWS
#SCOOPS
#IGNOREMYPOSTS


flatluigi posted:

To flip the current conversation a little, what would you do if you had to give someone a WWE network sub and three recommended PPVs to watch as their introduction to how actually good wrestling can be.

WM32. Fastlane 2017. Battleground 2017.

Then I give them a New Japan subscription and give them WK11, Dominion 6.11 and G127 Finals.

ICHIBAHN
Feb 21, 2007


What's this shite rovert is on about with Abbey A?

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible

ICHIBAHN posted:

What's this shite rovert is on about with Abbey A?

Apparently was a person who faked cancer to get money, and is now faking their death. Go to the Chris Regal thread for more

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Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!



This is honestly the least surprising news

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