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Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?


I never got what the hell they were trying to do with Billy Gunn. They obviously had the idea that he would be a big singles star, even having him win the King of the Ring. But they also allowed the Rock and Edge to completely loving destroy him on the mic without any sort of comeuppance. Between Rock doing an impression of Mr. rear end praying to God, and then Edge calling him Billy Bitchcakes and telling Regal "I'm not going to Billy Gunn my King of the Ring title" he never had a goddamn chance.

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shiksa
Nov 9, 2009

tfw Dragon Lee breaks the Hiromu before you get another turn

iirc billy gunn king of the ring was one of the last big things russo worked on before he jumped ship to wcw, so after he left they scrapped the billy gunn singles push and had the rock go out there to euthanize him.

they tried to do "the one" billy gunn after the dx split, just a narcissist thing, but that was over and that was the last try at billy gunn singles push. not that he necessarily would've been a great world champ or anything, but i liked billy gunn at the ic level. i was a big new age outlaws mark tho.

Admiral Joeslop
Jul 8, 2010

I can eat anything.

Fun Shoe

Pope Corky the IX posted:

poo poo, that Wrestlemania XXX Shield match felt like so much longer than that. Maybe because I loving hate Billy Gunn.

Also, why is Michael so difficult for people to spell?

My middle name is even Michael.

Did Billy Gunn ever have a good promo that wasn't lead by someone else? Getting torn apart by The Rock or... loving Edge is fine if you're able to fire back, in the age of non-scripted promos. Foley never had and never would have "the look" but he was amazing on the mic and real good in the ring. Billy was not good on the mic and less good in the ring unless he was saving Road Dog from a beat down.

Tonfa
Apr 8, 2008

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.

he knows...


Admiral Joeslop posted:

Did Billy Gunn ever have a good promo that wasn't lead by someone else? Getting torn apart by The Rock or... loving Edge is fine if you're able to fire back, in the age of non-scripted promos. Foley never had and never would have "the look" but he was amazing on the mic and real good in the ring. Billy was not good on the mic and less good in the ring unless he was saving Road Dog from a beat down.

does yelling "EAT poo poo BITCH" at tanahashi count

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



Pope Corky the IX posted:

I never got what the hell they were trying to do with Billy Gunn. They obviously had the idea that he would be a big singles star, even having him win the King of the Ring. But they also allowed the Rock and Edge to completely loving destroy him on the mic without any sort of comeuppance. Between Rock doing an impression of Mr. rear end praying to God, and then Edge calling him Billy Bitchcakes and telling Regal "I'm not going to Billy Gunn my King of the Ring title" he never had a goddamn chance.

The line I prefer from Edge's promo was

"Billy, do me a favor; if it's my job to go WWE NY in a couple years and smile and eat a meatball sandwich, please come and shoot me in the head".

shiksa posted:

iirc billy gunn king of the ring was one of the last big things russo worked on before he jumped ship to wcw, so after he left they scrapped the billy gunn singles push and had the rock go out there to euthanize him.

they tried to do "the one" billy gunn after the dx split, just a narcissist thing, but that was over and that was the last try at billy gunn singles push. not that he necessarily would've been a great world champ or anything, but i liked billy gunn at the ic level. i was a big new age outlaws mark tho.

I also remember a RAW where Vince challenged Austin to a tag match against the Corporation and the story they were telling was that Austin might be screwed because he had no friends. Gunn comes out as his partner, with the implications that he agent doing it for Aystin, but because DX hated the Corporation and Billy wanted to be the main event. Good idea on paper.

El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at Dec 14, 2018 around 19:31

STONE COLD 64
Oct 20, 2006

austin 3:16 says shut up. shut hte fuck up. where is my beer. i need hel

El Gallinero Gros posted:

The line I prefer from Edge's promo was

"Billy, do me a favor; if it's my job to go WWE NY in a couple years and smile and eat a meatball sandwich, please come and shoot me in the head".


I also remember a RAW where Vince challenged Austin to a tag match against the Corporation and the story they were telling was that Austin might be screwed because he had no friends. Gunn comes out as his partner, with the implications that he agent doing it for Aystin, but because DX hated the Corporation and Billy wanted to be the main event. Good idea on paper.

they then did a match with billy gunn vs the DOA on sunday night heat where they just annihilated gunn as retaliation for daring to team with austin.

titties
May 10, 2012

They're like two suicide notes stuffed into a glitter bra



El Gallinero Gros posted:

The line I prefer from Edge's promo was

"Billy, do me a favor; if it's my job to go WWE NY in a couple years and smile and eat a meatball sandwich, please come and shoot me in the head".

In all fairness to Billy Gunn, I would be incredibly stoked and thankful for my good fortune if my job was to eat a meatball sandwich.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?


titties posted:

In all fairness to Billy Gunn, I would be incredibly stoked and thankful for my good fortune if my job was to eat a meatball sandwich.

The context of that burn is that the 1999 King of the Ring was left off the 2000 and 2001 cards, the latter of which is being referenced, because Gunn was sent to hang out at WWF New York instead of to the ring.

EDIT: Who are considered the worst Kings of the Ring? Mabel, Shamrock, Billy Gunn, and unfortunately Regal?

poo poo, I had completely forgotten that they brought it back randomly in 2010 and 2015 for Sheamus and Barrett, respectively.

Pope Corky the IX fucked around with this message at Dec 14, 2018 around 20:18

D.N. Nation
Feb 1, 2012



Mabel with a bullet. At least the other not-good KOTRs were at least OK wrestlers.

(Nelson Frazier's other gimmicks were better. VERY LIMITED, but better.)

TriffTshngo
Mar 28, 2010



Regal was in the middle of a really interesting heel run as GM when he won KotR but was either part of the big steroid thing in 08 or just randomly got popped on his own and got the plug pulled on his run before it actually went very far. Iirc it was like what they're doing now with Corbin except way less terrible because Regal is good.

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004



Fan of Britches

TriffTshngo posted:

Regal was in the middle of a really interesting heel run as GM when he won KotR but was either part of the big steroid thing in 08 or just randomly got popped on his own and got the plug pulled on his run before it actually went very far. Iirc it was like what they're doing now with Corbin except way less terrible because Regal is good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhegmMraczc

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

Let your word be "Yes, Yes" or "No, No"; anything more than this comes from the evil one.

TriffTshngo posted:

Regal was in the middle of a really interesting heel run as GM when he won KotR but was either part of the big steroid thing in 08 or just randomly got popped on his own
He's been popped for steroids, but that may well have been for booze.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?


Yeah, that's why I said unfortunately Regal. That entire run was incredible, and he was poised to be a General Manager, King of the Ring, and WWE Champion all at the same time. I'm glad he finally got himself the help he needed and has been doing great work since.

VJeff
Jun 2, 2011

#HEKNOWS
#SCOOPS
#IGNOREMYPOSTS


Regal's promo in NXT where he talks about how he coveted the WHC but he sabotaged himself before he could get it is kinda really emotional.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



VJeff posted:

Regal's promo in NXT where he talks about how he coveted the WHC but he sabotaged himself before he could get it is kinda really emotional.

It's also a great promo where he gets the storyline for the match over in like 90 seconds.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


titties posted:

In all fairness to Billy Gunn, I would be incredibly stoked and thankful for my good fortune if my job was to eat a meatball sandwich.

This reminds me of this time when Cryme Tyme did this backstage skit done in the form of a commercial where various wrestlers were shown suddenly missing stuff due to being robbed by Cryme Tyme. One of these scenes was Viscera getting ready to eat a steak, only to see it gone and being pissed.

This led to a great WWE.com article where someone was talking about how bizarre it is that Mabel was reprogrammed into being a goth monster by the Undertaker years ago and is the only member of that stable to never be deprogrammed. And now his job is to be flown across the country so he can eat a steak and nobody else thinks that any of this is weird.

remusclaw
Dec 8, 2009



Big Daddy V is so weird in retrospect. It's like Tatanka resurgence level stuff with a New Generation guy you probably wrote off years prior not only still being around(or coming back in Tatanka's case) but being pushed as a contender again. PCO would be King of this I suppose if he ever managed to get WWE to take him back.

shiksa
Nov 9, 2009

tfw Dragon Lee breaks the Hiromu before you get another turn

remusclaw posted:

Big Daddy V is so weird in retrospect. It's like Tatanka resurgence level stuff with a New Generation guy you probably wrote off years prior not only still being around(or coming back in Tatanka's case) but being pushed as a contender again. PCO would be King of this I suppose if he ever managed to get WWE to take him back.

pco just signed a ring of honor deal so he fulfilled step one of the prophecy.

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Jason Sextro
Jul 30, 2003

Un alpha en développement depuis quatre ans? C'est incroyable!



Isn't that Former X Division Champion PCO?

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