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What are you talking about? Kurt Angle was the master of submission.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWVrJQPAZtg the resulting match was incredible
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Eddie posted:Some people say Edge, Mysterio and Cena are the future. I say we are! 2 of them dead, 1 retired and another a complete mess on TNA.  Also, it depends on how specific you're looking. There's been numerous wrestlers described as being submission wrestling experts or 'mat based technicians.' Plus guys who have been lauded as being match experts.
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Jun 21, 2011 04:11
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What was the deal with the original Doink going to ECW? I know he wore half the face paint and was called Bourne Again or something was this part of the WWE/ECW agreement?
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MisterGBH posted:What was the deal with the original Doink going to ECW? I know he wore half the face paint and was called Bourne Again or something was this part of the WWE/ECW agreement? Nope. Matt Bourne had drug problems throughout his career. Between that and a vocal opposition to turning Doink face he was fired by WWE. This also occurred before WWF and ECW had an agreement. There are not a lot of clips of this gimmick, I think Bourne wound up having to leave ECW because he drug problems got in the way there too.
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WeaselWeaz posted:Nope. Matt Bourne had drug problems throughout his career. Between that and a vocal opposition to turning Doink face he was fired by WWE. This also occurred before WWF and ECW had an agreement. There are not a lot of clips of this gimmick, I think Bourne wound up having to leave ECW because his drug problems got in the way there too. Wow. Those must have been some serious drug problems, then. I recall Mick Foley saying that Bourne's mean, scary version of Doink got over because Bourne was/is a mean, scary guy, so that might play into his career tailspin as well.
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CombineThresher posted:Wow. Those must have been some serious drug problems, then. I recall Mick Foley saying that Bourne's mean, scary version of Doink got over because Bourne was/is a mean, scary guy, so that might play into his career tailspin as well. I refuse to believe this! Big Josh was so cuddly
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Jun 21, 2011 15:16
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Man I loved Heel-Doink. So creepy, had a gimmick with a few facets and he could actually take it to the mat *just* enough to make his matches entertaining.
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LordPants posted:Man I loved Heel-Doink. So creepy, had a gimmick with a few facets and he could actually take it to the mat *just* enough to make his matches entertaining. 
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Jun 21, 2011 16:13
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WeaselWeaz posted:Nope. Matt Bourne had drug problems throughout his career. Between that and a vocal opposition to turning Doink face he was fired by WWE. This also occurred before WWF and ECW had an agreement. There are not a lot of clips of this gimmick, I think Bourne wound up having to leave ECW because he drug problems got in the way there too. Jeez like CombineThresher must have been quite the problem! Thanks for this. I just started searching Youtube for some examples. Cheers.
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Jun 21, 2011 16:35
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Also of note Doink and Jim Duggan shot on each other in some indy fed about a year ago.
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Moose Bigelow posted:Also of note Doink and Jim Duggan shot on each other in some indy fed about a year ago. Wasn't that a work?
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Jun 21, 2011 17:31
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:Wasn't that a work? Isn't everything a work? Think about it. serious answer: not according to radio interview with doink later on.
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Jun 21, 2011 17:41
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Moose Bigelow posted:serious answer: not according to radio interview with doink later on. Well, Borne is crazy, so maybe it was a shoot.
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Captain Charisma posted:I don't think Angle's gimmick was "master of x" so much as it was "Olympic gold medalist/hey guys he's good at wrestling but for real wink wink" Well, he kind of transitioned into a more generic 'shooter' gimmick, which usually does come with the idea of being a big technical and/or submission guy, and his main finish is a submission hold, which is usually all it takes to be called a 'master of submissions'.
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Gaz-L posted:his main finish is a submission hold, which is usually all it takes to be called a 'master of submissions'. See: Stro, The Maestro of Professional Wrestling and master of the figure 4 leglock (even if he can't do it correctly).
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Jun 21, 2011 18:21
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where does "its a shoot brother" come from?
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DonJNavarro posted:where does "its a shoot brother" come from? Vince Russo
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FishBulb posted:Vince Russo I almost started to do a further explanation, but it wouldn't be any better than that. Russo in WCW, to be exact.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:I almost started to do a further explanation, but it wouldn't be any better than that. Russo in WCW, to be exact. It was used in WCW prior to Russo in a promo about how ??? & ??? were the best tag team in wrestling today and that's a shoot brother. I want to say Kevin Sullivan.
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Moose Bigelow posted:It was used in WCW prior to Russo in a promo about how ??? & ??? were the best tag team in wrestling today and that's a shoot brother. I want to say Kevin Sullivan. Yuck. My earliest remembrance was Hulk Hogan telling his nephew Horace Boulder to "shoot with it" or something. That would have been 1998, during the Warrior feud, although that wouldn't be the first time I remember the sentiment being expressed in WCW - that would probably be the "The Internet has All the Scoops, brother" promo, when Hogan burned an Observer.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:Yuck. My earliest remembrance was Hulk Hogan telling his nephew Horace Boulder to "shoot with it" or something. That would have been 1998, during the Warrior feud, although that wouldn't be the first time I remember the sentiment being expressed in WCW - that would probably be the "The Internet has All the Scoops, brother" promo, when Hogan burned an Observer. Or booker man to Kevin Sullivan
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I went to Goodwill to buy some jeans today and found a DVD of Vengeance 2004 for $1.99, so I figured why not. Should I bother watching anything on it other than Edge vs Orton for IC title and Benoit vs HHH for World Heavweight title? edit - here's the full card Tyson Tomko pinned Val Venis (2:52). Yoshihiro Tajiri & Rhyno beat Garrison Cade & Jonathon Coachman (7:30) when Tajiri pinned Coachman. Batista pinned Chris Jericho (12:19). World Tag Champs Rob Conway & Sylvan Grenier beat Ric Flair & Eugene (12:30) via DQ. Matt Hardy pinned Kane (10:34) in a "no DQ" match. Edge pinned Randy Orton (26:36) to win the WWE I-C Title. Victoria pinned Molly Holly (6:20). World Champ Chris Benoit pinned Triple H (29:04). Monkeycheese fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Jun 21, 2011 |
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You'll probably get a cool Tajiri mist spot with Coachman, but that's about it otherwise. And ordinarily the idea of a 26 minute Edge/Orton match would be an instant turnoff for me, but this was back before either of them was a main eventer, so it might be good.
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Jun 21, 2011 23:34
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I recall not liking it as much as their match on Raw.
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Jun 21, 2011 23:34
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That Tomko/Venis match is a classic, definitely the best of their feud.
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Jun 21, 2011 23:46
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La Resistance vs. Eugene and Ric Flair ought to be interesting, and the diva's match should be OK. Just watch them all, get your 2.00 worth.
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CVagts posted:You'll probably get a cool Tajiri mist spot with Coachman, but that's about it otherwise. And ordinarily the idea of a 26 minute Edge/Orton match would be an instant turnoff for me, but this was back before either of them was a main eventer, so it might be good. I think its the same one that's on that History of the IC Title DVD. If it's that one, it's pretty drat good.
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AmbassadorFriendly posted:That Tomko/Venis match is a classic, definitely the best of their feud. Is this sarcasm? The match lasted less than 3 minutes.
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The show is about as lifeless as it looks but the main event is fine if not severely overbooked (if this is the one I'm thinking of) and definitely worth $2
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Have Pac and Ricochet had a singles match recently?
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Have Pac and Ricochet had a singles match recently? How recently? This is from March: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHyV9tFIs-M
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apsouthern posted:How recently? This is from March: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHyV9tFIs-M That is certainly recent enough. Thanks!
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crankdatbatman posted:Is this sarcasm? The match lasted less than 3 minutes. You really need to go back and revisit that feud. Some of the best wrestling on the undercard with those 2.
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crankdatbatman posted:Is this sarcasm? The match lasted less than 3 minutes. Yes, I'm being facetious.
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What event had Tomko and Richards in the worst match of the decade? I'm too lasy to google it. Also somebody finish this post for mezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Moose Bigelow posted:What event had Tomko and Richards in the worst match of the decade? I'm too lasy to google it. Also somebody finish this post for mezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Unforgiven 2004.
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AmbassadorFriendly posted:Unforgiven 2004. What's the story behind this match? Why is it considered so legendarily awful?
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:What's the story behind this match? Why is it considered so legendarily awful? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G2hHA7LIm8
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G2hHA7LIm8 Jesus Christ why is he dressed like a woman. I stopped watching WWE a few months prior, so this is some new territory for me.
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G2hHA7LIm8 I actually expected worse. Tomko pretty much does nothing but punch and choke Richards. But at least he chokes him like five different ways. He also hit his finisher properly. Richards used some of the worst punches ever and it took him until the later half of the match to use a different move. Which was a low dropkick. Which he used twice. Richards starting to no sell at some point was hilarious as well. What is he, trying to hulk up? Or was Tomko using such ineffective moves that it barely hurt him? I couldn't tell which. Watching it without sound was even worse because I originally thought Tomko was the face. Then soon realized he was the heel with Richards' hulk up. I can see why people hated it so, but I've seen worse. I'd have to watch it again, but Riley/Cena in a cage was probably worse. At least Tomko and Richards hit all of their moves properly. Except for Richards punches. Yikes. Even RVD can throw a better punch.
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