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MassRayPer posted:Except Sting was put on top for extended amounts of time in the early 90s and bombed. The Undertaker was never expected to be a top draw, but when he had the title, he did really well in terms of house show gates, something Sting could never do. Sting's big return to win the title off Flair the first time did a loving awful gate (just over half full, about 8,000 paid) and not much of a buyrate. And from there WCW went to hell in a hand basket, and when Flair left the company just did worse and worse despite Sting on top. Seriously, could Sting ever do this and make it really funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgwhk57HcB8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpfAdk4EUE4&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh1cOoVl1Ds
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dusty udder smoker posted:for someone who doesn't care you sure defend tna a lot ColeM posted:Seriously, could Sting ever do this and make it really funny:
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here is the main difference: when wwe fucks up or has a bad skit, they usually correct themselves later on and turn a negative into a positive and they capitalize. tna never does this. there's a reason wwe is still doing well today while tna is in the spot its in. there is no double standard.
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dusty udder smoker posted:here is the main difference: when wwe fucks up or has a bad skit, they usually correct themselves later on and turn a negative into a positive and they capitalize. tna never does this. there's a reason wwe is still doing well today while tna is in the spot its in. there is no double standard. WWE has done and continues to do countless moronic things that never turn out alright, it's just usually with their midcarders more often than their main eventers, unlike with TNA which is more aggressively lovely, especially in the main event. I think a bit of a double standard exists, but it's well deserved and understandable.
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dusty udder smoker posted:here is the main difference: when wwe fucks up or has a bad skit, they usually correct themselves later on and turn a negative into a positive and they capitalize. tna never does this. there's a reason wwe is still doing well today while tna is in the spot its in. there is no double standard. All I meant was that I started religiously watching iMPACT! when Christian arrived, and ordering PPVs. Russo came in and I stopped ordering PPVs after that lovely one where Sting and Abyss fought with cardboard. Then I stopped watching iMPACT! when Christian left.
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I watched the first PPV after Christian joined, really didn't like it and didn't watch again till Angle joined up. My hate grew and grew until finally Eric Young pushed me over the edge, and I got out just before they dropped the Jarrett Bomb on the city that wiped out millions.
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Is TNA more entertaining than the Dupp Cup era? I mean I use to pay (with my father's) money, real money, to watch TNA when it had the weekly PPVs. They were terrible, but it at least had Low Ki kicking the poo poo out of the Amazing Red. Now, it looks like there is a lot going for the company, talent-wise and I never catch a full episode.
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tzirean posted:If I'm not mistaken, Starrcade '97 had a significantly higher buyrate than Wrestlemania 19. Wrestlemania 19 did a 1.4 with a month of buildup using a new face in the business, and was awesome. Starrcade '97 did a 1.9 after a year of buildup, featuring the NWO, and sucked. Wrestlemania 19 was also a hell of a lot bigger of a deal than the Manias that Sid and Yokozuna headlined. That's pretty much it.
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3 pages late, but when did the V1 era end? Was there ever any dirtsheet rumours or anything on why it did? Is it just Matt Hardy's desperate desire to be a serious, bitter, angry character and not a silly wrestler? Has there ever been an attempt at V2? I miss enjoyable Matt Hardy Edit: Also "clicka-clicka-click ... click-click ..." was the best pre-intro intro ever.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Wrestlemania 19 did a 1.4 with a month of buildup using a new face in the business, and was awesome. Starrcade '97 did a 1.9 after a year of buildup, featuring the NWO, and sucked.
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When was the last time the WHC or WWE title changed hands outside of a PPV?
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If memory serves, Jericho won it on RAW after Batista beat him for it at a PPV about a year ago. Before that, it was RVD losing to Edge after getting busted with weed.
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LividLiquid posted:If memory serves, Jericho won it on RAW after Batista beat him for it at a PPV about a year ago. Didn't CM Punk's first MITB cash-in come before Jericho's win?
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LividLiquid posted:If memory serves, Jericho won it on RAW after Batista beat him for it at a PPV about a year ago. How could you forget the SmackDown battle royale that gave us The Great Khali as champion?
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Captain Strange posted:3 pages late, but when did the V1 era end? Was there ever any dirtsheet rumours or anything on why it did? Is it just Matt Hardy's desperate desire to be a serious, bitter, angry character and not a silly wrestler? Has there ever been an attempt at V2? I miss enjoyable Matt Hardy It kind of petered out for no reason. According to Wikipedia he disbanded the V1 group one week on Smackdown. He moved to Raw to be able to travel with Lita who had just recovered from neck surgery. This was just before the whole Edge thing.
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BlueArmyMan posted:Didn't CM Punk's first MITB cash-in come before Jericho's win? SenorSpangiel posted:How could you forget the SmackDown battle royale that gave us The Great Khali as champion? All of this is moot, however, if I'm wrong about Jericho's win. But I remember it happening in November of last year.
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Meat Recital posted:When was the last time the WHC or WWE title changed hands outside of a PPV? According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Heavyweight_Champions_%28WWE%29 Jericho won the WHC on Raw November 3rd, 2008 According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WWE_Champions Orton won the WWE title on Raw June 15th, 2009
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What happened to the fantasy football thread? Am I blind or retarded? All I wanna do is brag about being in first in WooWooWoo...
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Meat Recital posted:When was the last time the WHC or WWE title changed hands outside of a PPV? This year, when Batista vacated the title and Orton won a Fatal 4-way a week later.
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Jackie D posted:This year, when Batista vacated the title and Orton won a Fatal 4-way a week later. if this doesn't count because it was guaranteed there'd be a new champion, then it'd be Raw 800 when Jericho won the WHC from Batista. LividLiquid posted:Nope. That was two years ago. No, it was last year.
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dusty udder smoker posted:No, it was last year.
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Punk's first cash-in was ~GAB2008 Second one was ~GAB2009
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The Shaman of Cum posted:Punk's first cash-in was ~GAB2008 His first cash in was the first Raw after the draft kicked in when Edge came out to gloat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIZDFunzP9s
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Title changes that happened on Raw or Smackdown due to injury shouldn't really count IMO.
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sportsgenius86 posted:Title changes that happened on Raw or Smackdown due to injury shouldn't really count IMO. Why not?
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Capsaicin posted:Why not? Takes the surprise element out of it.
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Capsaicin posted:Why not? Because it obviously wasn't meant to happen.
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sportsgenius86 posted:Title changes that happened on Raw or Smackdown due to injury shouldn't really count IMO. That's really what I was looking for. I should have phrased my question better. Thanks guys. I'm trying to get a read on what's going to happen at TLC. On the one hand, John Cena is facing Sheamus for the title. On the other hand, John Cena is going to be filming a movie soon and has said he wont be at any WWE live events in January. Cena dropping the belt on RAW seems very unlikely. I have no idea what's going to happen.
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Captain Strange posted:3 pages late, but when did the V1 era end? Was there ever any dirtsheet rumours or anything on why it did? Is it just Matt Hardy's desperate desire to be a serious, bitter, angry character and not a silly wrestler? Has there ever been an attempt at V2? I miss enjoyable Matt Hardy He didn't bring back the V1 gimmick but he continues to do the hand symbol. Ever since the Hardys got back together Jeff would do his gun symbol with one hand and the V1 with the other.
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dusty udder smoker posted:His first cash in was the first Raw after the draft kicked in when Edge came out to gloat. Yea, after Night of Champions, so a few weeks before GAB2008
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I was watching the Bret Hard DVD documentary and during the section on Rowdy Roddy Piper vs. Bret Hart at WM8 Piper claims that that match was the first time someone had 'pinned his shoulders to the mat in 17 years.' Is this at all possibly true?
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Dewwy posted:I was watching the Bret Hard DVD documentary and during the section on Rowdy Roddy Piper vs. Bret Hart at WM8 Piper claims that that match was the first time someone had 'pinned his shoulders to the mat in 17 years.' Is this at all possibly true? Firstly, Bret Hard sounds like a porn star. The sexcellence of sexecution. As for Piper, I think the match with Hart was the first time Piper had been pinned in the WWF on TV. So while I highly doubt he was unpinned for 17 years, he could make a claim he hadn't been pinned in WWF and probably just chose a drat impressive number. Or knowing how insane Piper is, maybe he legitimately thought what he was saying is God's honest truth.
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Dewwy posted:I was watching the Bret Hard DVD documentary and during the section on Rowdy Roddy Piper vs. Bret Hart at WM8 Piper claims that that match was the first time someone had 'pinned his shoulders to the mat in 17 years.' Is this at all possibly true? Then what happened when he challenged Hulk Hogan or other unbeatables?
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Wazzu posted:Then what happened when he challenged Hulk Hogan or other unbeatables? They booked a ton of gently caress finishes for Piper. They kept him hugely protected, and I don't think he and Hogan ever had a proper blowoff.
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Capsaicin posted:Why not? TL posted:They booked a ton of gently caress finishes for Piper. They kept him hugely protected, and I don't think he and Hogan ever had a proper blowoff.
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TL posted:They booked a ton of gently caress finishes for Piper. They kept him hugely protected, and I don't think he and Hogan ever had a proper blowoff. Also not featuring him on PPVs much. He had his "match" against mr. T at WM2, but didn't have a PPV match again until Survivor Series 1989 (I think), where he brawled until it resulted in a double count-out. LividLiquid posted:Starrcade '96. Hogan lost clean to Piper's sleeper hold. This wasn't the WWF, so I suppose it only sort-of-counts. Was it actually clean, or was it WCW clean?
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Wazzu posted:Also not featuring him on PPVs much. He had his "match" against mr. T at WM2, but didn't have a PPV match again until Survivor Series 1989 (I think), where he brawled until it resulted in a double count-out. Iirc, it was clean, but there was something about everyone being pissed because they thought it was for the title and it wasn't.
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Wazzu posted:Was it actually clean, or was it WCW clean? Hogan reportedly was really excited about putting a face over completely clean, something he'd never done before, to the point that he was drat-near shaking after Starrcade. He thought it was awesome. Then Piper, a few months later, threw a big fit about jobbing to somebody under Hogan, who saw what it was like to work against an uncooperative douche and put him over only for said douche not to pay it forward (Read: he worked against himself), and went back to being his old self for the rest of his career until working The Rock and Brock Lesnar, when he had no more political capital. Piper, in my eyes, wasn't entirely in the wrong as he'd been working against a douche Hogan for over a decade. The whole thing left everybody worse off, but Hogan actually submitted clean in the center of the ring to a sleeper hold from an old dude. If he'd have done the same the next year against Sting, then let the nWo get disbanded by a strong WCW, then turned babyface, the wrestling landscape may have changed considerably compared to what we're watching today. Edit: Past tense? Present tense? Participles? Whatever. LividLiquid fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Dec 9, 2009 |
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TL posted:They booked a ton of gently caress finishes for Piper. They kept him hugely protected, and I don't think he and Hogan ever had a proper blowoff. Piper wasn't protected, he refused to do jobs. There's a difference. It started when Flair went to the WWF, when he was feuding with Hogan he knew that the program was that the heel would eventually lose, get bumped to the middle of the card, and finally leave. That's just how programs worked in New York. He realized that he was good enough that if he never lost clean he would stay over as a top guy and they would keep him in a strong position. Eventually, it turned into his refusing to lose out of ego and fear it would hurt his drawing ability, but even then he was willing to put guys over if he thought it would work (Bret Hart, an angle to put over Raven that Bischoff said no to).
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