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Jerusalem posted:Well let me put it this way, he once said in all seriousness that if he ever had an actual match with Puder, he would end up holding him down while Karen poo poo in Puder's mouth. Yep - although the making GBS threads into his mouth was to come AFTER Kurt Angle held him down and rubbed his balls all over Puder's face (but only if Dixie gave him permission)
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Yes, Dean Malenko was infinitely better in WCW and his feud with Jericho there shows that fans could legitimately get behind the guy and support him (although more because of Jericho than anything he did), but I was entertained for a little bit by the idea of Dean Malenko as a ladies man in the WWE, trying desperately to get with Lita.
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I think it's so weird that the monday night wars were raging so hot that both promotions opened loving restaurants. Did anyone on this board ever get the chance to eat at WWF New York or the WCW Nitro Grill? I'm interested to hear about it, because most of the reviews I've found were really funny in how bad the service was at both joints. The pictures of the WCW Grill on this page make it look one notch below a Chuck E Cheese. Alas, I'll never get the chance to order a "'Wooooo!,' a frozen fruity Absolut Vodka drink." http://www.24wrestling.com/index.php?id=extras/531 Tato fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Nov 6, 2009 |
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I remember this theme for Bret Hart called "You Start the fire" being included on the "WWF: The Music Volume 2" and I was always confused because I knew that Hart only ever came out to his classic theme. I shrugged it off as a kid and never really tried to figure out why it was on the disc. Remembering it today, I did a search on youtube and found that it was used as the music in a video package: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT28F-oSTDQ For the life of me, I can't remember seeing this music video, so I'd like to know when it was aired and if it was used as part of an angle. Was it played when Bret was initially coming back after his injury in the 96-97 timeframe, back when he was still a babyface and hadn't started his matches with Austin? I'd just like to know why this video was produced.
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Captain Charisma posted:The worst WWF: The Music entry was from Vol. 2 where Sexy Boy was a carbon copy with entirely different singers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVuwnOJ9Oro haha. Thank god that theme went unused. I love the breakdown in the middle with the saxophones. It sounds like an awful 80s porn soundtrack.
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This is the most in-depth article I've ever found on the WBF. A great read: http://pwchronicle.blogspot.com/2005/12/history-definitive-history-of-wbf.html Here's a sample: quote:Spectators sat restless in the Arie Crown Theatre while sponsors gave their pitches as the 1990 Mr. Olympia was coming to an end. What everyone was confronted with next was a total shock, even to Joe Weider and the competing athletes themselves. The $5,000 that Vince McMahon spent to secure a promotional booth for Bodybuilding Lifestyles at the event also bought Tom Platz, the magazine's spokesman, the stage for a moment to promote the publication in front of the 4,600 bodybuilding fans in attendance . Platz began to speak: "I have a very important announcement to make. We at Titan Sports are proud to announce the formation of the World Bodybuilding Federation. And we are going to kick the IFBB's rear end!". The lobby doors opened, and beautiful women wearing sashes embedded with the Bodybuilding Lifestyles logo filed into the theatre handing out slickly presented advertising for the WBF. These fliers announced the formation of the World Bodybuilding Federation, and claimed that the upstart would change the face of the bodybuilding world forever with "dramatic new events and the richest prize money in the history of the sport". While this invasion was going on, McMahon's people were covertly slipping lucrative contracts under the hotel room doors the Olympia contestants. It was vintage Vince McMahon, and his plan was to take bodybuilding mainstream in the same way he had taken wrestling mainstream in the 80's --by crushing his opponents with better production, and by stealing their most marketable talent with more lucrative contracts and promises of the platform to make them stars. He would make Lee Haney's $70,000 first place prize --enormous money by IFBB standards --seem like pocket change. Tato fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jan 17, 2010 |
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Web Jew.0 posted:that was 2002. the jbl push was 2004. hardcore holly also had a short main event program in 2003-2004. i guess if you're a huge guy in the wwe sooner or later they'll give you a chance I believe Matt Hardy tells himself this all the time to keep from crying
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The cocky pin remains in SDvsRAW 2010. I've never gotten more than a one count off it but I continue to use it with regularity.
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I try not to get annoyed by Super Cena and the main event style he has to work. I know he simply just doesn't look vulnerable. The NXT beatdowns were the closest he's ever come to not looking super strong, but Cena's character never gets frustrated at things like that. He never doubts himself, he just keeps on being positive and trucking on. I don't expect that to ever really change, but I would like to see one match someday with a good opponent where the Cena character doubts himself, if even for a second. Something like the Ultimate Warrior/Macho Man retirement stipulation match, where the Warrior became so frustrated and amazed at his inability to keep Macho down that he got exasperated and contemplated throwing in the towel, if only for a microsecond.
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I haven't read Eric Bischoff's book, but I remember him writing about how much he enjoyed firing The Honky Tonk Man in WCW. I can certainly understand how one would enjoy doing that, but I'm interested in why HTM was hired in the first place. Did WCW consider him a top star that had to be snatched away from WWF (unlikely), or was he a friend of Hulk Hogan like John Tenta and Ed Leslie? I haven't watched much of the 94-95 era of WCW because I can only handle so much Jimmy Hart and Red/Yellow colored clothing. Did HTM just use the exact same gimmick in WCW? Edit - Watching his TV title match with Johnny B Badd. He's the same, except the music is a terrible cover and he's fatter.
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Supreme Allah posted:Could someone re-enact this for the love of God. Heeeeeeeeeeere's Hacksaw!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyypJ2GAu_c&feature=player_embedded
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I think it's just a case of no one knowing about it. I remember reading about a very small indy show that had paid to bring in Harvey Wippleman once. The promotion was using WWE music themes, so Harvey took the money for the appearance, then promptly ratted them out to WWE.
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Aug 19, 2011 12:30
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Yeah, Matt Hardy is stupid and loves drama but even he is safe in the ring (not in a car though) and a generally okay person when compared to the evil of the Dynamite Kid. God, Kid was an absolute sociopath to people he LIKED.
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Hirams Bitch posted:And 2 hours of him is entirely too much. He really ought to be moved to a manager role where he could actually use his heat for positive. Hell, most people could maybe handle 2 hours of him, but it's never that little. You get 2 hours of him on RAW, 2 on Smackdown, and 3 if there's a PPV that week. A potential 7 hours of Cole in a WEEK.
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Aug 24, 2011 17:55
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Also, the period after Summerslam until Survivor Series was pretty dire. Constant Austin/Kane/Undertaker matches with Vince McMahon fuckery, vacating the title and so forth. PPVs were filled with matches like Marc Mero vs Droz, Bradshaw vs Vader, D'Lo vs Gangrel and so forth. But yes, it absolutely ruled at the time.
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Two questions. 1. Is there a website out there that has scans of wrestling magazine covers? You can usually find scans of whatever by using Google image search and hunting around, but I was wondering if there was any big, central website that's well organized and properly indexed. 2. How is Marc Mero generally regarded as a wrestler? I first started watching heavily in '97 after he was already injured and switching into his TKO/heel persona, having fights with Butterbean and getting Sable bombed. I've since gone back and watched earlier WWF and WCW, but I still don't really have an opinion on the guy. I've seen his Johnny B. Badd wackiness and his time as the Wildman, but for the life of me I can't remember much of anything regarding his actual wrestling ability. It seems like his high flying stuff might have stood out in the dire WWF midcard at that time, so is he a case of a career cut short by injury, or was he never that remarkable in the first place?
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Aug 26, 2011 19:17
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Matt actually won a PPV match against Edge, but got shipped to Smackdown pretty quickly after that. He then managed to get in trouble during Survivor Series, when he bailed out of the ring at the end of the night to avoid taking a chokeslam from the Undertaker in some misguided attempted to prevent himself from looking weak. In retaliation, he was booked to endlessly job to Finlay and Road Warrior Animal for several months and it was pretty funny. I never tired of Finlay doing the spot where he pulled the ring apron out and trapped Hardy behind it, then walloped him with fists.
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Aug 29, 2011 20:38
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This ancient article from X-Entertainment is one of the more thorough reviews I've seen of WWE New York. It just seemed like a useless place to be if a PPV wasn't going on: http://www.x-entertainment.com/messages/590.html I wish I could find some reviews of the Nitro Grill. It just seemed so low rent and lovely, stuck into a bad Vegas casino.
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Do a lot of wrestlers hate Billy Gunn or consider him unworthy to be a wrestler or something? I mean, I know he's Billy Gunn and he's not amazing, but he works well in tag teams because he's a serviceable wrestler and his partner can do most of the talking. poo poo, Billy & Chuck and Cute Kip were actually pretty fun and he did the heavy lifting on those. He's been given singles pushes that could have gone to someone else, but I don't really consider that his fault. What's he supposed to do, refuse to win King of the Ring? I ask because of things like The Rock doing a promo on how Billy Gunn completely sucks (just days after he won the KOTR), Edge saying he won't "Billy Gunn" his KOTR win, and that TNA title match where Jeff Jarrett proceeded to beat the poo poo out of Gunn for 15 minutes while yelling "I'm Kip James, bitch!" at him a million times and killing a catch phrase that was getting Gunn some cheers from the crowd. The fans know that Billy Gunn kind of sucks, but it seems kind of vindictive for other wrestlers to continually point this fact out and tear him down as a wrestler, as if the wrestlers or the writers are mad at Billy Gunn's very existence. I've seen some of the shoot videos he's done and I know he used to frequently run his mouth off on radio shows, but he never said anything really vindictive and no one at WWE seemed to care about Road Dogg's shoots when they hired him back. Is this a case where Gunn rubs people the wrong way or just that wrestlers/writers have no qualms about making GBS threads on Gunn because, well, he's Billy Gunn? I don't mean this to sound like some over-sensitive person worrying about Billy Gunn's feelings being hurt, it's just that The Rock's "Billy Gunn sucks" promo is kind of legendary and it only happened a few days after his KOTR win. It seems weird to book a guy to win that, keep him face, and then have the most popular wrestler in the company take a big poo poo on him. Tato fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Mar 28, 2012 |
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Mar 28, 2012 21:24
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Was Shawn Michaels ever a heel once he returned from injury and started actively wrestling again? I know he was a bad guy and joined the nWo at one point, but I'm not sure if he was actively wrestling then. I suppose he was the heel in his feud with Hulk Hogan, but as soon as the match was done he was back to normal. Did he ever work as a heel for any sustained period of time after coming back?
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Apr 5, 2012 13:39
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Does Mick Foley have the record for winning the most titles with the most personas? I believe he has won at least one title as Mick Foley, Dude Love, Cactus Jack, and Mankind (tag titles count). I can think of a few people who have had a handful of personas, but none that had so many popular ones that they accumulated titles with each.
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Sep 8, 2012 06:24
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When did the brand split for the PPVs finally end? The last few months of the Smackdown only PPVS was some of the most dire television I've ever seen. They would have two months to build to a PPV and STILL couldn't build a card because the mid and lower cards were just complete poo poo.
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Sep 12, 2012 14:39
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Jesus, I had completely forgotten about the resurrected Road Warriors and Animal's single run as "The Road Warrior." The only bright spots of that period were Finlay coming back and kicking rear end (and regularly doing his fun apron spot) and the Mexicools entrance. And since you mentioned it, Matt Hardy's implosion was fun as well. Came back, gave a horrific promo about car crashes, lost at Summerslam, won a cool cage match, lost a ladder match on RAW due to interference, won a Cyber Sunday poll and pissed off Vince McMahon in the process, tried to avoid being beaten up by the Undertaker at Survivor Series to "protect his heat," got jobbed out to loving Road Warrior as a result.
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Do we have any actual confirmed stories of that or is it just safe to assume since Low Ki is always an rear end in a top hat? He also hosed up and kneed Ziggler pretty hard in the head at Survivor Series, but that was partly Ziggler's fault (who seems to have a reputation for forgetting spots these days according to the Observer).
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Sep 12, 2012 19:42
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I was was just wondering if he did something specifically in WWE or FCW, but that story is hilarious. Looks like Low Ki getting taken out by Big Peeler.
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I believe the first story was that they had an amicable parting of ways, then Low Ki did an interview with MVP or someone else where he revealed that it was a cover story they asked him to say because he was actually outright fired.
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According to MVP, none of it was planned. Kaval won the competition, celebrated like you would expect him to do, and pissed Vince McMahon off because he was "celebrating in HIS ring." So he sent out a huge group of extremely green rookies with no other direction than "beat up Kaval." MVP, assuming that this was a heel thing to do and that as faces, the pros should get involved, ran in and started brawling with them, which led to hilariously bad wrestling like Titus O'Neil completely no-selling MVP's Yakuza kick and Alex Riley randomly attacking Percy Watson, who he was supposed to be helping, and Percy having to get up and ignore that it ever happened. Vince obviously wanted Alex Riley, Michael McGillicutty, or Husky Harris to win the whole thing, but instead of being smart about it and eliminating Kaval early like he did with Daniel Bryan, he let him win and then fumed about it.
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Yeah, they got out of it by having Daniel Bryan say "Maybe I don't deserve to be here" and eliminating him by saying he practically took himself out. Maybe it's for the best. They could have let anyone win Season 2, but it totally seems like a spiteful Vince move to go "Oh, they want Kaval to win? I'll give them their precious Kaval" and burying him to hell. If Daniel Bryan had been allowed to win, they might have done the same to him.
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Skinty McEdger posted:The best part of Low Ki on NXT was him throwing his stiff kicks against the punching bag and getting the lowest scores. I will never ever stop finding that funny. My favorite part was after an entire season of making GBS threads and scoffing at Kaval, he delivers a great final promo in the last episode and a shocked Michael Cole is silent for a bit before having to admit that this promo was good.
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Huh, I could have sworn Scott Putski was part of that tournament at some point, maybe he came in as an alternate. I remember him wrestling Brian Christopher at Ground Zero and having his knee explode.
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Sep 13, 2012 02:37
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WWE didn't seem to sour on Hardy totally after that promo. The Summerslam match he had with Edge was just...bizarre. It was a blood stoppage when later in the show, Hogan would bleed like a stuck pig and there was no stoppage. That kind of killed the momentum, but the cage match they had the next month was tremendous. I'd encourage people to check that one out, the crowd was really hot for it and it had a great ending where it appeared Matt was definitely going to get screwed over by Lita, but he ended up kicking out of a spear and delivering a leg drop off the cage while Jim Ross was delivering one of his great "DON'T DO IT MATT! THINK OF YOUR CAREER! DON'T DO IT!" lines. The problem was, Matt Hardy went over in the feud, but they still wanted to push Edge as he was Mr. Money in the Bank. It seemed pretty difficult to have them co-exist on the same show after such a heated feud, so they did a match where the loser had to leave RAW. Hardy got screwed over as Lita held his arms in the ropes and he was forced to watch Edge climb the ladder and get the contract, so it kind of deflated the big win he got at the PPV. Then he started annoying people backstage so they decided to bury him.
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Things got bad with the Invasion period, but there were still so many people in the company that it was interesting in ways. At least for me, the Triple H reign of terror in 2002 caused me to stop watching WWE until 2005. The RVD and Kane feuds in particular, I still read the results and have gone back and watched a lot of the good stuff (and really horrible stuff from the era), but that period just absolutely killed any interest I had in the product.
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Bob Holly was in WWE for loving EVER and was a mostly boring, hateful individual, but he did provide us with some memorable moments: - Won tag titles with 1-2-3 Kid in big upset - Actually raced cars and was so insane he got in trouble for aggressive/dangerous driving behavior and trying to crash people - Called Dracula a fat bastard - Got Molly Holly on TV - Fell on a table in ECW and got sliced up - Got fired for stealing pills from Ken Kennedy - Such an rear end in a top hat that no one in the locker room had his phone number except for a psycho murderer Also, I agree that the Alabama Slam rules and I'm glad Cody Rhodes does it sometimes. Tato fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Sep 20, 2012 |
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Sep 20, 2012 19:41
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Also, while the Observer Benoit issues aren't online, you can get the F4Weeklys from that period digitally if you have a subscription.
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Oct 19, 2012 21:12
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Did that Wrestling Retribution Project thing ever get released or was it all a front just so some guy could take Glamour Shots of indie wrestlers?
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Oct 30, 2012 14:24
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Goldberg had a lot of "snap" to his moves that made them look very violent and painful. They probably were, given how snappy his kick was to Bret Hart's head. But Goldberg's monsterness was the total opposite of slow, plodding, lovely monsters like Tensai who take forever just to do a powerslam and then slowly progress to the next move. Goldberg taking on Glacier was like a butcher going to town on a cow and turning it into steaks in 2 minutes flat.
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Forgive me for the weird question, but I've been playing WWE '13 lately. What do you guys think about Val Venis in retrospect? He was around for freaking ever, but only really treated "seriously" as a contender for the year or so after he first debuted. He came out of the same developmental group as Edge and a few other guys, but was quickly relegated to jobber status (but he made a good career out of it). I can't really recall him ever having great matches, but they weren't bad either. He seems like a guy who was perfectly slotted in the role that he needed to be in and made a living at it. Am I mis-remembering things? Are there hidden Val Venis gems out there or people who believe that he should have been repackaged or given a chance to move up to a higher level?
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Nov 2, 2012 18:46
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I would like to note after reading more about Val Venis that one of his ring names listed on Wikipedia is "Seņor Penis," with the only citation being a German wrestling website. I think he could have definitely been a main eventer with that name.
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Have there been any updates on where Mark Henry and Christian are and when they might return? I've missed seeing those two perform this year and I think Smackdown could really use them both.
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The Codebreaker was supposed to fill that niche of the impact finisher. Also, the Walls is basically just a Boston Crab because the bigger guys on the WWE roster probably didn't want to take the Liontamer, which puts a lot more pressure on the back and actually hurts to some degree.
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