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Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Lone Rogue posted:

Wrestling is dumb but honestly it compares quite well to reality television.

It's why Hogan Knows Best was a perfect marriage.

I can't get my head around the idea of Hulk Hogan involved in a perfect marriage.

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# ¿ Apr 23, 2024 07:30

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

So if Goldust stopped being a homophobic character, what was his gimmick in TNA and later WWE?

# ¿ Jun 15, 2012 15:09

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

I remember seeing the Se7en worked shoot. I wondered if they actually intended him to wrestle in the Hot Topic trenchcoat.

I didn't know about Black Reign, though. Jesus, it's not just my imagination that he got himself back into better shape for WWE, is it? That costume looks even sillier with him heavier around the waist.

# ¿ Jun 15, 2012 15:58

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl, or Pirates, the parody porn film? This is Vince McMahon we're talking about.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2012 21:13

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

I feel dumb for even asking this question but, wasn't Booker T's gimmick as WCW champion just a complete ripoff of The Rock?

# ¿ Jun 18, 2012 04:29

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

I know this has been discussed, but I feel that I will never understand Goldberg and why he was ever over with anybody. Wow, he looks like an overgrown MMA Steve Austin! Oh no, he beat Disco Inferno, Barry Darsow, and Glacier? This beast is unstoppable!

Like, if you could get a guy over just by spending a bunch of money to tell the fans "This guy is amazing, you should really be impressed with this guy" then why did Lex Luger flop?

# ¿ Jun 18, 2012 16:31

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

El Duke Silver posted:

Goldberg's build was done pretty well, and one of the biggest points about his push (that was discussed during a Legends of Wrestling) is that he didn't have to be the focus while he was being built. He could come out, do a three minute hour one Nitro match with a couple of cool moves, and leave. No one thought, "well that was a crap match!" They thought it was new and different and wanted to see more, but didn't care that it was only three minutes because oh hey, here comes the nWo. There were plenty of other things going on around him that he didn't have to be amazing, he just had to be exciting.

So, basically Ultimate Warrior without the crazy, poorly-articulated personal mythos?

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Goldberg had a great look, a decent amount of charisma, and wasn't inept at doing his four or five moves.

Hey, I will at least acknowledge that he has dozens of signature moves; Wikipedia even says so.

# ¿ Jun 18, 2012 17:01

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

triplexpac posted:

The other thing about Goldberg is that, at that time, winning in wrestling still meant something. At least, it meant a hell of a lot more than it does now.

Or maybe I was just a young mark, I'm not sure. Maybe the adults were just as jaded then as we are now.

It depends. I was more of a WWE-watcher in the late 90s, and I got sick of every Raw ending with a garbage match culminating in a disqualification.

# ¿ Jun 18, 2012 17:36

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Maybe this actually deserves its own thread. I've been reading some stories as I've gotten interested in wrestling again, but--why, succinctly, is Vince Russo maybe the most hated guy in the history of wrestling (and are there any other contenders for that title)?

# ¿ Jun 20, 2012 01:53

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

I don't really understand the thematic blend of Hell in A Cell and a truck full of hay. Did Paul Bearer summon the ghost of Haystacks Calhoun to bring victory to the Undertaker?

# ¿ Jul 3, 2012 14:39

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Yuriy posted:

You'll eat those words when he beats "Rashid" Evans in his MMA debut.

Aw, a pro wrestler getting into MMA in his forties, that's so cute! So, how many serious injuries has he had already? :allears:

# ¿ Jul 18, 2012 14:43

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Orgophlax posted:

Is there anyway to pinpoint when "finishers" became a concept?

Ancient Greece. Wrestlers have had favourite holds for winning a match for as long as wrestling's existed.

That being said, finishers in pro wrestling seem to be at least as old as the Gold Dust Trio and the rise of the territories in the '20s. Ed Lewis had his famous sleeper hold, Londos used the Boston Crab, etc.

Still, there were lots of guys who didn't have a "finisher." I don't think that became obligatory until the '50s, when wrestling started featuring truly cartoonish gimmicks and the matches quickly moved away from something a reasonable person would believe was an actual fight happening. Like, here's a really old match where the victor wins by something like a Texas Cloverleaf and it's more or less believable.

I think the real answer to your question is the Gold Dust Trio, though.

Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Jul 23, 2012

# ¿ Jul 23, 2012 14:28

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Captain Foo posted:

That was pretty cool!

Thanks. An interesting thing that this sheds light on is how in ye olden days, most finishers would be stuff like a swinging neckbreaker or a kneedrop. Since the match had to look more like a real fight, they didn't have moves that you could only do to someone who couldn't fight back at all.

By the by, Gorgeous George's finisher was something he called a "kip headlock" and people called a "rolling hiplock." I can't find any video of it, but it seems that he would grab the opponent and then jump up high to add momentum to a headlock throw.

Ironically, I still think that really good finishers are usually ones that can come out of nowhere, and look like they have some unique tactical advantage, rather than a wrestler doing it this way instead of that way because hey, it's his special move so he does it that way. It took me a long time to actually watch and appreciate some Japanese wrestling because I had the notion that it was mainly enjoyed by guys who want to see fifteen overcomplicated high spots every match.

Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Jul 24, 2012

# ¿ Jul 24, 2012 00:22

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Perry Normal posted:

I'm watching an edition of Prime Time Wrestling, from the lead up to Summerslam 89. Hogan and Beefcake cut a promo about how they were going to win the match with Savage and Zeus because Elizabeth had given them a "history lesson" (Hogan actually describes a mythology lesson) and a "potion" she had given them.

Nice armwarmers. Didn't know they had a Hot Topic in 1989. So is this a relic from the days when I loved the Undertaker because I was five and literally believed he was a wrestling vampire?

# ¿ Jul 25, 2012 14:11

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Oh hey I have an actual question: Why did Ricky Steamboat keep that name is entire career, even when he came to the WWF with a "Dragon" gimmick? His last name is Blood. He has the perfect last name for a wrestler. If he had been born 15 years later, he could have worked in ECW as Dick Blood.

# ¿ Jul 25, 2012 14:28

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Is the Warrior doing anything? What's the status of his right-wing speaking career?

I find him a really reprehensible person. Seems like he wants to posit himself as having moved beyond wrestling and being better than everyone in it, but he's failed at everything he's tried outside of wrestling and whatever fame he has is built on his wrestling career. Maybe I'm wrong and he's currently a successful entrepreneur.

# ¿ Jul 25, 2012 15:20

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Iskanderson posted:

He was most recently accused of ripping off some memorabilia company to the tune of 30 grand.

Oh, I forgot about that. I saw it in some website's newsfeed.

nasboat posted:

No, he really is a reprehensible person. I would not be surprised if he had some mental illness involved, too.

While we're on the subject, this reminds me: how many of our PSP posters are aware of DESTRUCITY? I don't even really remember the "definition" but it was basically the only thing Warrior would post about online back in the late '90s, probably right around the time his comic book failed. It was some sort of idea or way of life or some other poo poo that Warrior had come up with, and he mentioned it all the loving time, usually in all caps if I remember correctly. That was when he really began to get a reputation for being an absolute whackjob. I mean, we all knew Warrior was fairly crazy, just from watching his insane promos back in the early 90s, but that was the first glimpse I can remember into the real mind of Jim Hellwig, and it was scary.

Reminded me of a wannabe cult leader. Or someone on another planet like Darren Daulton.

e: Urban Dictionary (the first result on a Google search for "warrior destrucity") tells me that the definition is as follows:

1. The name of the galaxy in WARRIOR wherein the "Terrain of Testament" lies.

2. The living of one's life in the Way of a Warrior according to a Warrior's eight disciplines: physical, beliefs, moment of mastery, attitude, commitment, association, integrity and wisdom.

3. The creating of a truce between one's Destiny and one's Reality. Promising to stay true to what one is destined to be, yet accepting what is the now... one's reality.

"Dreams are the movies that tell one's story... Some already told... some not yet written."
--Warrior Wisdom

Warrior is really funny to me because he seems to carry this epic science fiction/fantasy concept of the pure archetype of The Warrior, but he's not intelligent or articulate enough to convey it to anybody else. It's his most lovable trait. Like he's a dumb jock who started playing Dungeons & Dragons, and the nerds in the group roll their eyes and shake their heads when he starts rambling about his totally awesome idea for the next campaign. His comic book pretty much bears this out.

The family that he lives for only breathes the air that smells of combat.

# ¿ Jul 25, 2012 15:43

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

God, the Swiss Death is so awesome.

This is not exactly a question, but...I never got the appeal of the Michinoku Driver II/Juvi Driver. It's like, they really hang a lampshade on the fact that if you can bodyslam somebody, you could just drop them on their head.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2012 01:08

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Lone Rogue posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wre-o_9Ay8c

Let it be known that the WWF put two untrained businessmen in the ring and everyone was fine with it.

So don't take this the wrong way, but I stopped watching wrestling after high school and am only now trying to become well-versed in what's going on now. When did the WWE start caring about having champions who could actually wrestle again? When I stopped watching, the main event of every Raw was a garbage match. I didn't mind seeing Vince and Shane in the matches, I just didn't like listening them talk for the first 20 minutes of every show. I mean, what were we losing by having Vince and Shane fight instead of Rock and Austin? An elbow drop? A Lou Thesz Press if we're really lucky?

# ¿ Aug 3, 2012 19:48

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

OneThousandMonkeys posted:

WWE started focusing on guys being able to actually work up and down the card in the early 2000's. The champion is usually at least a passable worker but the difference in cards now is that they have a lot fewer outright lovely workers so that you have guys who can do a lot more than a garbage match or sit in a large stable where their worthlessness is constantly protected. I mean, that still happens, but it isn't systemic.

I should have clarified what I meant--I was watching more regularly during Austin vs. The Rock and Austin vs. The Corporate Ministry, and it seemed like every Raw main event consisted of nothing but punches, clotheslines, and chairshots. I don't think that either Austin or the Rock are bad workers, but I guess they were working through injuries while maintaining insanely busy schedules. Honestly, it got to the point where I had the same problem with WWE as WCW--great midcards followed by guys at the top putting on unwatchably boring matches.

# ¿ Aug 5, 2012 01:51

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

You can be a wrestling fan and still have shame?

# ¿ Aug 15, 2012 14:35

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

triplexpac posted:

Maybe I just watched some bad episodes, I dunno. I'll give it another shot sometime.

To me ECW has always been half great cutting-edge work and half hardcore garbage with little in-between. Oh look, Malenko is wrestling Eddie. Oh look, the Sandman is smacking himself with beer cans while the crowd chants "ECW" for ten goddamned minutes

# ¿ Aug 17, 2012 15:58

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Perry Normal posted:

So, two questions - what's the proper name for the Superkick/Sweet Chin Music?

Most English-speaking martial artists say "side kick." It's a "yoko geri" in Japanese. As near as I can tell, Chris Adams was the first guy to use it as a finisher, and he had martial arts experience. Apparently it was originally called the "Judo kick," although judo does not include any striking.

The "Superkick" as you often see it done in wrestling is very much like Bruce Lee's stepping sidekick as seen in Enter the Dragon and Way of the Dragon. Maybe he was an influence?

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Second, what move has the most names? I'd guess the DDT just for how many people probably had a DDT as a finish but called it something else.

I'm inclined to say the cutter, actually, although people used to endlessly debate if the Stunner and the Diamond Cutter were the same move.

Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Aug 18, 2012

# ¿ Aug 18, 2012 04:39

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Frot Lesnar posted:

In san shou and Muay Thai it is called a cobra punch.

I've read about the Superman punch being called the cobra punch, but I thought that the traditional cobra punch was "step back out of the way of a high round kick and counter with a right straight."

# ¿ Aug 19, 2012 19:42

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Let me guess, that was from the day when everyone was either Stone Cold, The Rock, or HHH?

# ¿ Aug 20, 2012 21:46

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

He and his second ex-wife have a charity together, so I assume they're on good terms and he didn't get gutted financially.

# ¿ Aug 21, 2012 15:57

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Assuming rampant cheating and drug use doesn't come into the picture, "you travel all the time and we've grown apart" is a common basis for an amicable divorce, I think.

# ¿ Aug 22, 2012 16:37

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

CombineThresher posted:

It means that Mongo was doing a lot of cocaine back then.

That was his cup o' coffee in the big-time.

# ¿ Aug 23, 2012 01:40

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

They came for the managers, and I did not speak up, because I was not a manager.

# ¿ Aug 28, 2012 17:38

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

I have one of Chuck Taylor's grenades; I keep it here on my office desk.

# ¿ Aug 29, 2012 21:00

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Require More Fire posted:

The best memorabilia.

I can't keep it at home. I get ants in my kitchen during the summer; it's too tempting.

# ¿ Aug 30, 2012 18:13

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Julio Cesar Fatass posted:

I want to see what the japanese guys were doing that had them convinced pro wrestling could win a real fight.

http://youtu.be/UdGp48HoyAM

# ¿ Sep 2, 2012 23:37

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

CVagts posted:

There was a hideous "the powerbomb is banned!" storyline with Kevin Nash in WCW, which ended up being "the powerbomb is banned...for Kevin Nash...when we feel like addressing it...ah, do whatever you want."

Didn't they do the same thing to Savage's elbow? The move, I mean. They didn't surgically remove his elbow.

# ¿ Sep 10, 2012 15:04

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Well, the reverse STO, for one.

(It is one of the funniest things in wrestling to me that a simple osotogari throw is called the "Space Tornado Ogawa.")

# ¿ Sep 10, 2012 16:44

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

jscolon2.0 posted:

What are some moves like the C4 where the guy "taking" the move is actually the one doing it?

In my last post I interpreted this as "the guy doing the move is actually the one taking the bump."

So to actually answer your question: Any frankensteiner move.

# ¿ Sep 10, 2012 17:13

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Beef Jerky Robot posted:

What frankensteiners/hurricanranas are you seeing?

The guy doing the move is definitely doing some work, but the guy taking it does a diving roll forward because you can't actually leverage someone's center of gravity like that.

# ¿ Sep 10, 2012 22:53

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Manwithastick posted:

Watching the Rock (Plus Vince, Big Show, HHH and Foley) on SNL in 1999 on Netflix is kinda painful (in a car crash kinda way)

Yeah, it was terrible seeing those top guys being boring on a weekly show that had completely lost its way and forgotten what it was supposed to be about. And then they had to go and appear on SNL!

# ¿ Sep 11, 2012 14:20

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Flameingblack posted:

He's actually an actor who's been in a lot of really interesting things. (Sex in the City, Devil Wears Prada, Royal Pains)

He's a big wrestling fan, so I assume he's using his own money to fund the projects and then getting a bit of profit back.

Having a feature where interviewees are asked to put little slips of paper with female wrestling personalities' names into "The Ho Bag" is pretty gross.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2012 19:43

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

I've been watching some old ECW promos. So...how hosed up is Mick Foley, actually?

# ¿ Sep 17, 2012 20:55

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# ¿ Apr 23, 2024 07:30

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

triplexpac posted:

Physically or mentally? Or both?

I don't think he's all that mentally deranged, he can just get his head in a place where he can cut intense promos.

Everyone who gets into the wrestling industry is a bit crazy though, and he's no different in that respect.

I should have specified: The physical damage he's taken (especially to his brain tissue) over the course of his career. Foley is pretty amazing for promos where he's staying in character but saying things that are true of himself, and I just watched that Cactus Jack promo where he says he was late to the show because he forgot his way to the arena.

# ¿ Sep 17, 2012 21:06

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