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well that certainly is a electro europop song I don't know, with the big pop sensations, there's always a sense of effortless in how they create. They're easy to watch, absorb, and dream about because they seem to transcend what it is to be human. I don't think Gaga will ever be capable of reaching that level. The effort is the first thing you see with everything she does. Attention to detail should be hidden from the viewer sub consciously, and only on reflection should you see it. She's certainly very creative, smart, and a very hard worker. She seems to have surrounded herself with people who know how to create cool (I'm sure she's blown half her budget on hiring the most expensive lighting guy in hollywood, lol). But watch her then watch a Rhianna video and don't tell me there isn't a huge gap between showmanship and the effortless display of. She has a brain that's obviously absorbed a lot of information in all aspect, music, pop culture, fashion, whatever. But she may never have the finer touch of putting everything together in a seamless package that tickles the senses without ever needing to point and say "look, how cool is this part here!". I guess I'll get told to shut the gently caress up and enjoy it, but all I'm saying is we aren't witnessing the birth of a new culture-ripper, and that's certainly what she's trying for.
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That's an interesting line of argumentation, and I can see where you're coming from. But I'd take certain issues with it, the first being that Gaga and Rihanna are trying to achieve two different things so a direct comparison may not prove fruitful. Admittedly Rihanna is quite talented and has a beautiful voice and technically she's probably a superior singer to Gaga. She's good at what she does. But if you look at the credits for Music of the Sun, you may see Rihanna's name on a smattering of tracks; you look at The Fame and it's a wall of Gaga -- she's credited on literally every single track. When you look at a Rihanna music video, you're seeing Rihanna performing in video whose concept and execution was developed by someone else, and honestly you could swap out any other R&B singer -- the songs are constructed in a way for the performer to be interchangeable. When you look at a Gaga music video, you're seeing Gaga performing in a video whose concept and execution was developed by Gaga herself and therefore she could not be replaced -- it all centers on her. The same thing applies to their live performances; in a Gaga show, the display and thematic undercurrents are carefully constructed by her. Basically, Rihanna, as talented as she is, can claim authorship of very little outside of her own performance and part of the music. Gaga can claim authorship of far much more. Neither is necessarily more important than the other, but considering that in some regards Gaga is purposefully deconstructing elements of pop music and avant-garde art with her performance, I'd say the obvious attention to detail is intentional. And if we're going to talk effortless, I'd say writing a #1 single in ten minutes while hungover is kind of the definition of it
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It's rare for me to be enough of a fan of this wing of music to actually own the album so I'm not super versed with it, but isn't that the case for the vast majority of pop artists? It's always seemed to me like the whole rationale behind a lot of pop music is basically, "do what you're told because we know the success formula and you don't," especially when you were dealing with big managers like Lou Pearlman or big producers like Phil Spector. I'm not trying to be cynical, but pop is a business with a science behind it, and it's rare to see someone actually try to break the mold when you have that much data telling you what tends to work well. You may see people do the style well (Lily Allen comes to mind) but you don't see a great amount of risk taking. My question here is, can't you apply that same statement to most pop artists in general, thereby making any in-genre comparisons with Lady Gaga imperfect? I can think of Shakira and Justin Timberlake as possible peers, but I'm drawing a blank beyond that.
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Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. I just used Rihanna as the comparison because she was in the original example. The majority of artists with the same level of authorship and control over their work tend to be outside the pop mainstream.
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Nov 16, 2009 04:01
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I don't think Gaga is trying to be ironic, maybe the whole point is 'anyone can do this with the right tools' but there seems to be an element of seriousness in everything she does that's probably greater than most pop stars, and you can't exactly ridicule or strip away pop music and not give a few hints or at least a few contrary scenes/lyrics anywhere to keep people guessing. Or maybe i've missed them 
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Nov 16, 2009 04:18
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New album just leaked. She just keeps stepping it up. & Speechless sounds so drat classic.
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Nov 16, 2009 04:37
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Only song on the new drop thats really doing anything for me is Dancce in the Dark, Not including Bad Romance.. But I already heard that so it wasn't anything to look forward to haha.
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Nov 16, 2009 04:53
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LuckySevens posted:I don't think Gaga is trying to be ironic, maybe the whole point is 'anyone can do this with the right tools' but there seems to be an element of seriousness in everything she does that's probably greater than most pop stars, and you can't exactly ridicule or strip away pop music and not give a few hints or at least a few contrary scenes/lyrics anywhere to keep people guessing. Or maybe i've missed them The point isn't that simple. It's not "ironic" pop. If she were doing all of this with a wink it would lose all meaning.
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Amethyst Citrine posted:New album just leaked. Teeth is absolutely the best way to end the album. It just makes me want to listen to it all over again. Monster is growing on me, and So Happy I Could Die has really catchy parts. While this is short, I totally agree that the length is perfect; this is a full body of work and feels very consistent (though it could be that the rest of The Fame will always be overshadowed by the four singles).
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Hopefully not a stupid question, but I am trying to preorder The Fame Monster on Amazon, and it looks like there are three different versions. I think the cheapest one (around $10) is just a single-disc EP with the eight new songs, and then there are $14 and $20 versions. I want a 2-disc version with the original The Fame album along with the eight new songs, but what are the differences between those two versions? Amazon didn't have the track listings or detailed descriptions.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Hopefully not a stupid question, but I am trying to preorder The Fame Monster on Amazon, and it looks like there are three different versions. I think the cheapest one (around $10) is just a single-disc EP with the eight new songs, and then there are $14 and $20 versions. I want a 2-disc version with the original The Fame album along with the eight new songs, but what are the differences between those two versions? Amazon didn't have the track listings or detailed descriptions. http://www.amazon.com/Fame-Monster-Deluxe-Lady-Gaga/dp/B002QGUFWE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1258346017&sr=1-1 You want this then. Look at the second picture's sticker "blah blah the fame album + new tracks". 
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zerojake posted:The point isn't that simple. It's not "ironic" pop. If she were doing all of this with a wink it would lose all meaning. Well she'd only do it with a wink if she believes it has no meaning. I was only saying I don't see a wink so we can probably rule it out as a possibility that she's trying to make a point about pop music.
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Jesus gently caress the jump between style between "Monster" and "Speechless" is ridiculous. It goes from "80s pop in a blender" into something that you could imagine Elton John writing during his "three albums a year" era. And both are brilliantly catchy.
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"Bad Romance" is a sinister, confident Poker Face. Love this track. 5/5 "Alejandro" has a good groove but is ultimately a little uninspiring. Not a bad track, though. 3/5 "Monster" is a pretty boring synthpop by numbers deal. Wasn't really struck by this one. 2/5 "Speechless" is a great, soulful 1975 Bowie number. The lyrics could've been better but the music is great. 3/5 "Dance in the Dark" is an amazing late 80s goth dance song. I really enjoy this one. Great the whole way through. 4/5 "Telephone" has great music and great hook but the lyrics are so bland and I hate Beyonce. Not bad, though. 3/5 "So Happy I Could Die" has a really different feel from the rest of the record, this kind of trancy hip hop deal. This song won't get the party started, but might help when it is winding down. 2/5 "Teeth" has a really good groove, very jumpy jaunty MIA meets Madonna circa "American Life." What starts as a cool intro never really picks up steam, which is a shame because it has such a dark circus feel. 2/5 Overall, 3/5. Bad Romance and Dance in the Dark steal the show, and the rest is decent filler. "Monster" and "Teeth" especially feel like filler. I think the Fame has singles but Monster is a more consistent effort.
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Nov 16, 2009 09:24
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Liking the new album. The standout tracks for me apart from Bad Romance, are Dance in the Dark, Monster, and So Happy I Could Die.
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This is driving me crazy. I tried to cross post on the dubstep and electropop forums but no one answered. What song is she sampling (or atleast sounds very similar) to for that backround ripping/warp noise, around 25 seconds into bad romance. I swear I've heard it before.
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Lady Gaga is the bomb. She's one of the best things to happen in Pop music right now. She's not afraid to be different, and unique, which I respect wholeheartedly. My girlfriend has an unhealthy obsession with her right now, and I'm starting to see why now... She's just really, really fascinating, and her music is undeniably catchy. The other day I came up with a fitting analogy describing her: Lady Gaga is the love child of Madonna and David Bowie, who was then put into an orphanage, and then adopted by artsy, alternative New York parents. The other day I bought tickets to see Lady Gaga at Mohegan Sun, on January 18th, 2010 for my girlfriend and I. I'm pretty excited, because if her costumes and music videos (and live performances) are any indication, she's going to put on one hell of a show.
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Nov 16, 2009 17:49
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Upon further listening I've grown to like "Teeth" a lot more. All my other opinions stand the same. I think I'd like to take a bite of Lady GaGa's "Bad Girl Meat."
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Nov 16, 2009 19:48
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ArmoredBlue posted:Teeth is absolutely the best way to end the album. It just makes me want to listen to it all over again. Teeth is fast becoming my favorite -- I love how soulful it is, and it definitely was the best choice for ending the album. I love Speechless & Dance in the Dark, but it might take a while for So Happy I Could Die to grown on me. Also, I understand it is a matter of personal taste, but how can you possibly compare Rihanna's voice to Gaga's? Rihanna has some pretty good songs, but her voice...well, it's kind of terrible.
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Nov 16, 2009 20:15
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I love Teeth, I can't stop listening to it. Don't forget tonight Lady Gaga will be on Gossip Girl at 9 eastern/8 central on the abomination that is "The CW."
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Nov 17, 2009 01:43
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I love this stuff. It hits that Electro-Pop sweet tooth I have, and it's all pretty much insanely catchy. Bad Romance is pretty much on repeat on my laptop at the moment.
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The Monster Disc is great, but was this anyone's first time hearing the Japanese bonus tracks from The Fame? I never knew about Disco Gaga... and I think I love her
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I refuse to get the leak. I'm savoring the wait time and the anticipation. I even decided to go old-school and not get any of the tracks in advance, so I keep listening to godawful pop stations waiting for "Bad Romance" to come on. I know I'm weird but it's fun being a fan. V  V
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Nov 17, 2009 04:49
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Speechless is a loving awesome song. That is all.
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Nov 17, 2009 07:22
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I love all the songs on the new CD and I keep hearing the "he ate my heart" part from Monster in my head. What is it about that line that owns so much
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THIZZFACE KILLA posted:I love all the songs on the new CD and I keep hearing the "he ate my heart" part from Monster in my head. Because violence is the best. But really, her cutesy voice is used so rarely that when she does use it, it's very effective, at least for me. It's pretty much one of the only things I like about "Video Phone."
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Nov 17, 2009 15:28
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Demp posted:Speechless is a loving awesome song. That is all. Agreed. I beleive "Speechless" is one of her best songs to date...it's heartfelt, soulful, and great instrumentation overall. It's a power ballad that echoes David Bowie, Queen, and the like. Beautiful. Jonny_Rocket fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Nov 17, 2009 |
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I was curious about Dance In The Dark being a Goth/Industrial throwback so I looked it up on YouTube and...not exactly, but I definitely see the influence. Great song.
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I was kind of hoping for another song like Summerboy. I still think it's one of the best things she's done so far.
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Nov 17, 2009 18:52
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I swear to god "Speechless" samples or pays tribute to some Beatles riff but I don't know enough about the Beatles to name the song. Am I imagining things here or what
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Nov 17, 2009 19:56
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yeah it kinda sounds like "something" from abbey road I think?
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I'm really tempted about buying the 99$ deluxe edition. Her songs are so catchy and good that I consider 99$ a fair price. I thought she was another generic pop star like Britney Spears, but drat she's so much more. She's achieved the biggest pop star status in just under a year. She knows what sells, and does just that. All of her videos are great, I'm hoping to see her live someday.
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Yeah it sounds like maybe a reference to Something though it's certainly not a sample. I really don't like Speechless though, I think it's my least favorite of her songs that I've heard actually. Teeth, on the other hand, loving rules.
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When I was recently looking for a new band to get into, I looked to the past: My Bloody Valentine, Ministry, Guided by Voices, Sleater-Kinney, White Stripes, M83, Daft Punk (more specifically Alive 2007)...and I was not really expecting that I'd be taken in by Lady loving Gaga, of all people.
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This thread is hilarious. I'm not a huge fan of Lady Gaga, but she's at least unique enough herself to make things a little interesting. I wouldn't buy any of her songs or CDs, but if they're on the radio I might not change it. I'm also glad the whole "she's got a penis" lie looks like it ran it's course. At least, I haven't heard about it seriously in a while myself. Crows Turn Off fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Nov 17, 2009 |
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Amethyst Citrine posted:But really, her cutesy voice is used so rarely that when she does use it, it's very effective, at least for me. It's pretty much one of the only things I like about "Video Phone." If you listen to "Retro, Dance, Freak" she has a totally different voice, which apparently is more like her pre-Gaga stuff. I had to check the credits to make sure that was her.
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joyfulgirl129 posted:Found this recently: it's almost like she's wearing a costume: She looks hot as gently caress there. I like how she's basically Madonna's smarts and changing looks, Aguilera good looks and pipes, then hits Amy Winehouse notes and soulfulness. Destroy all other pop stars, ultimate one found. Bad Romance is a killer track. The video is sick. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACm9yECwSso
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hilly posted:When I was recently looking for a new band to get into, I looked to the past: My Bloody Valentine, Ministry, Guided by Voices, Sleater-Kinney, White Stripes, M83, Daft Punk (more specifically Alive 2007)...and I was not really expecting that I'd be taken in by Lady loving Gaga, of all people. Same here, I looked for new music for months, usually listened to one new album a day. Then I gave The Fame a chance, that was two weeks ago. Haven't heard anything else since.
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It took me a couple listens, but I now officially love the new album. Not every song, but whatever. Is there word on which song she'll make a video for next? My hope is Teeth. I wish I had been home this year to be Gaga for Halloween. Maybe next year... I suppose by then I'll have even more costume ideas from her.
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Waddley Hasselhoff posted:It took me a couple listens, but I now officially love the new album. Not every song, but whatever. Is there word on which song she'll make a video for next? My hope is Teeth. The word seems to be that Telephone ft. Beyonce will be the next single. I think Dance in the Dark would be a good single too.
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