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I am actually working on a study of Lady Gaga's videography, but let me just say that anyone who can synthesize the work of Andy Warhol, the French New Wave, Hitchcock, and Kubrick is anything but shallow. The release of the "Bad Romance" video is actually going to be an "Einstein eclipse" test of my thesis, since it's directed by the same guy who directed Britney Spears in "I'm a Slave 4 U" (also I've never anticipated a music video as much as I am right now) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjmQa18hMMU
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cat doter posted:I mean, she's obviously a real musician, she can play and sing quite well. She could be quite popular without the image bullshit, but whoever is handling her PR resorts to it anyway. I admire that she's a pop star with at least some talent, but come one, the stupid image, typical pop beats and songs about poker and stuff, there's no need for it, it's like music industry trans fat. But we all know people love their fat. Lady Gaga posted:What has been lost in pop music these days is the combination of the visual and the imagery of the artist, along with the music — and both are just as important. So, even though the carefree nature of the album is something that people are latching onto right away about my stuff, I hope they will take notice of the interactive, multimedia nature of what I'm trying to do. The things I like to do and the theatrics, I like to incorporate them into the choreography. With my music, it's a party, it's a lifestyle, and it's about making the lifestyle the forefront of the music.
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Your Proud Pal posted:If you have gay sex while Eh Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say) is playing, you literally cum a rainbow. It's amazing. Lady Gaga posted:I’m not trying to make your dick hard the way other girls are. I’m trying to teach your dick to get hard when it looks at other things.
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There are several steps to Gaga conversion, also known as "being bitten by the Fame Monster", which parallel what this thread has gone through. First, you may be initially repulsed by what you're experiencing. "This is trashy pop music," maybe. Or "Dude, she's totally a man, this is some Crying Game poo poo right here, you can see her dick right here!" But she gets your hooks into you. Somehow "LoveGame" slips into your playlist "accidentally," or you watch that Christopher Walken clip or that South Park clip a strange number of times. "I like Lady Gaga ironically," you start to tell yourself. Or maybe you're a little braver and admit that you do love her -- but you're scared to let anyone else know. It's only a few steps from there until you're contemplating how much you're willing to spend on a lock of her hair, get a Gagatar, and are having your first gay experience Lady Gaga posted:I will say that I'd be a happy girl if I could make the whole world gay.
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Illandir posted:I miss you, CharlieFoxtrot. Let us commence the first Gaga-themed game of Mafia in Traditional Games, wherein you post every last quote that you've seemingly assembled. quote:
Also, consider this is Lady Gaga on writing "Just Dance": Lady Gaga posted:I was very hungover. I wrote the song in about 10 minutes with [producer] RedOne. And this is her discussing the set design for her live show: Lady Gaga posted:The theatrics and story elements are in the style of an opera. Imagine if you could take the sets of an opera, which are very grand and very beautiful, and put them through a pop-electro lens. The design of the show is very, very forward, very, very innovative. I've been thinking about ways to play with the shape of this stage and change the way that we watch things. So what I've done is I've designed a stage with Haus of Gaga that is essentially a frame with forced perspective, and the frame is put inside the stage. Two guesses which she cares more about EDIT: Just think about how many pop stars could even tell you what the concept of forced perspective is CharlieFoxtrot fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Nov 10, 2009 |
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Considering that most people are surprised she can play an instrument or writes her own music, sure. Also Illandir, I always thought that the lyric in your Gagatar was "got your Dre headphones" like the Beats by Dr. Dre headphones that are in all her music videos. A lot of lyrics sites say "dirty headphones" though.
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I thought maybe I was stretching a bit in thinking I saw some influence from Matthew Barney and Cremaster in "Paparazzi", but Gaga confirms my suspicions again. Jesus, what a video.     (These were all made for academic research purposes, of course)
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Those are good interesting finds; it looks to be a common motif. I mentioned Melanie Pullen's High Fashion Crime Scenes earlier, and there's also a strong resemblance to some of Helmut Newton's work in play. This was a really good analysis of Paparazzi that I referenced, especially since it's not like I can identify D&G on sight or anything
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ArmoredBlue posted:I'd say a large portion of what she wore after Poker Face became blew up is designer made, though some of her really out-there stuff (like the orbit dress for example) is made by her small fashion team called the Haus of Gaga. Lady Gaga posted:I called all my coolest art friends and we sat in a room and I said that I wanted to make my face light up. Or that I wanted to make my cane light up. Or that I wanted to make a pair of dope sunglasses. Or that I want to make video glasses, or whatever it was that I wanted to do. It’s a whole amazing creative process that’s completely separate from the label. Lady Gaga posted:They're my best friends. I'm not really sure what the world thinks ... but I do hear things like, 'Who is the Haus of Gaga?' and, 'Are you putting out a fashion line?' And no one gets it. It's not a commodity. It's not something that's meant to be sold... It's a real bond and relationship, and that's what I think music and art is about... they are my heart and soul. They believe in me, and they look at me like a mother and daughter and sister, with pride and love.
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I think Gaga's already crossed that bridge; Bjork at least showed her face. If we're sharing "When we first learned about Gaga," I remember the guy that recommended her to me also recommended The Secret in the same breath, and I was like, "You've got to be loving kidding me." I have no intention of reading The Secret, but he was pretty spot-on about the other thing Edit: Also this seems to be the artistic equivalent of the Justice League: quote:Now Vezzoli is in L.A., pulling further favors from the famous while putting on a new hat as the creative orchestrator of Saturday night's 30th anniversary gala for the Museum of Contemporary Art. The centerpiece will be a live, five-minute production number called "Ballets Russes Italian Style (The Shortest Musical You Will Never See Again)," in which Lady Gaga will debut her new ballad, "Speechless." CharlieFoxtrot fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Nov 11, 2009 |
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Nova Bizzare posted:She's said often that what she does is pop music and that she likes to sing about clubs, dancing, ingesting alcohol, and all of that. She had an interview where she talked about the 70s and the dance floor being sacred and some poo poo. Lady Gaga posted:When you listen to a song like "LoveGame", is it communicating my soul to you? No. My music isn't me jerking my dick off all over a piano trying to feel something. I make soulless electronic pop. But when you're on Ecstasy in a nightclub grinding up against someone and my music comes on, you'll feel soul. The quote is doubly ironic, but anyway I think the sometimes-simplicity of Gaga's music is part of her trying to make what is normally considered avant-garde art accessible to the masses. The music is sometimes as simplistic and catchy as possible, which helps the audience interact with her visual identity, which is far more out there. There's a quote which I (surprisingly) don't have available which went like "The music is the sugar and I'm the medicine."
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The intersection of these two things will probably make my head explode. This is an interesting read considering the earlier discussion: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1625589/20091105/lady_gaga.jhtml quote:Rather than showing up on the set for the day, Gaga met with the writers and producers first to make sure she was doing a performance that she felt comfortable with.
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That's an interesting line of argumentation, and I can see where you're coming from. But I'd take certain issues with it, the first being that Gaga and Rihanna are trying to achieve two different things so a direct comparison may not prove fruitful. Admittedly Rihanna is quite talented and has a beautiful voice and technically she's probably a superior singer to Gaga. She's good at what she does. But if you look at the credits for Music of the Sun, you may see Rihanna's name on a smattering of tracks; you look at The Fame and it's a wall of Gaga -- she's credited on literally every single track. When you look at a Rihanna music video, you're seeing Rihanna performing in video whose concept and execution was developed by someone else, and honestly you could swap out any other R&B singer -- the songs are constructed in a way for the performer to be interchangeable. When you look at a Gaga music video, you're seeing Gaga performing in a video whose concept and execution was developed by Gaga herself and therefore she could not be replaced -- it all centers on her. The same thing applies to their live performances; in a Gaga show, the display and thematic undercurrents are carefully constructed by her. Basically, Rihanna, as talented as she is, can claim authorship of very little outside of her own performance and part of the music. Gaga can claim authorship of far much more. Neither is necessarily more important than the other, but considering that in some regards Gaga is purposefully deconstructing elements of pop music and avant-garde art with her performance, I'd say the obvious attention to detail is intentional. And if we're going to talk effortless, I'd say writing a #1 single in ten minutes while hungover is kind of the definition of it
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Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. I just used Rihanna as the comparison because she was in the original example. The majority of artists with the same level of authorship and control over their work tend to be outside the pop mainstream.
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The Monster Disc is great, but was this anyone's first time hearing the Japanese bonus tracks from The Fame? I never knew about Disco Gaga... and I think I love her
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Amethyst Citrine posted:But really, her cutesy voice is used so rarely that when she does use it, it's very effective, at least for me. It's pretty much one of the only things I like about "Video Phone." If you listen to "Retro, Dance, Freak" she has a totally different voice, which apparently is more like her pre-Gaga stuff. I had to check the credits to make sure that was her.
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Not that this has anything to do with Gaga, but every Beyoncé video recently has been "'Single Ladies' did really well,  "It really makes you appreciate the thought Gaga puts into her own videos. CharlieFoxtrot fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Nov 19, 2009 |
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hilly posted:4. She's not afraid to look like Hedwig-scale unattractive. Oddly, this makes her sexier. HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? Lady Gaga posted:I’m not trying to make your dick hard the way other girls are. I’m trying to teach your dick to get hard when it looks at other things.
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Nov 21, 2009 04:52
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I dig it. Note though how all the symbols of subjugation (the vodka, the bathtub, the ice-white outfits, the bathhouse itself) are all centered the traditionally-feminine element of water, while the liberating symbols (including the cigarette, her explosive brassiere, and the red outfits at the end) are centered around the traditionally-masculine element of fire, which Gaga appropriates for herself.
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Gothy McAngstydie posted:I would say that the idea of white as purity and power is what Gaga is doing away with. She makes everything red or black by the end, obviously signifying her passage from the innocent Maiden form of the Goddess to the more vengeful and destructive Crone, and the protective and powerful Mother. Is the fact that everything in the video is white, red, or black, the three colors of the triple goddess who reigns over all things a coincidence? Doubtful. I definitely see the progression you're talking about : note how when Gaga is in the tub, she has enlarged, wide eyes with diluted pupils. This is a classic signal of neoteny, which gives off the image of being helpless and immature. However, by the end of the video, Gaga has an entirely different look and expression, one that conveys power and maturity -- look at the swept-back hair and straightened posture. Another opposition to consider is that the male oppressors are heavily tied to technology; their outfits and faces feature bolted-on gears and metal, and they bid on Gaga using computers. Gaga, on the other hand, is possessed with a sort of animalistic, primal energy. She wears a bearskin cloak at the end, another one of her outfits is blatant in its recalling of an animal, many of the dance moves feature clawing motions, and she crawls across the floor, prowling towards her target.
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The Cameo posted:Of course, referencing Monroe extends to referencing Madonna (who made massive leaps and bounds in popularity by grabbing that persona and twisting it to her own ends), so she could be trying to place herself along those sexual icons through association. She could be suggesting that by grabbing their own sexuality, any woman can be free (like Madonna). I think this is especially important; at one point in the video, Gaga incorporates the Sign of the Cross into her dance routine, and Catholic imagery is something that is often associated with Madonna. The video for "Like a Virgin" touches on the same issues and also incorporates this white/black, maiden/mother, bride/groom opposition, along with animal imagery.
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archwhore posted:If you look closely, she doesn't make a cross. She touches her forehead, her right shoulder then her left shoulder, making a triangle. I'd argue that it's an abstracted version of one, since what other iconography incorporates touching your forehead and shoulders? The three-point version still retains the trinity symbolism of the gesture, plus she's definitely wearing a diamond cross in the preceding shots. It's not the strongest symbolism in the video though, I'll grant you that.
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LuckySevens posted:You might think she's better but she's certainly square in the 'pop star' category.
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Advice posted:Does anyone know where I could find this image? I want it for an SA avatar. It's the shot that lasts for like two seconds in Bad Romance, similar to this picture:  Here is it more square and in gagatar form: 
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That is an excellent summation, especially since I'm less able to suss out Gaga's musical thought process as opposed to her visual one. It's going in my mega-gagapost So that this isn't entirely contentless, if you haven't watched "The Fame: Part One" (which is where I first heard it), "Fooled Me Again, Honest Eyes" is an excellent song which I believe she's only done live. Love the part when she plays the piano with her foot, and the end where she goes all Ray Charles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIeCrj_Gn6A I would love it if she did an entire piano album
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Triple Tech posted:Also, in the music video for LoveGame, it feels like she's evoking multiple idols, but I'm not sure who. Three influences that stand out for me, and are not necessarily tied to the idols I think she's imitating... 1) The chain mail mask makes me think of King Arthur, or some sort of knighthood. 2) Being the head of an underground gang makes me think of Callisto featured in the Fox X-men series. 3) That light staff makes me think of Gandalf the Great/White/Shark. Those are interesting suppositions, especially the concept of idols and the Gandalf comparison because I thought the same things, especially with the motif of transformation. Since my article is apparently quarantined for review or something, this is the excerpt on LoveGame (I feel bad that I actually gave it short shrift compared to some of her other videos) quote:Directed by Joseph Kahn back-to-back with “Eh Eh”, “LoveGame” continues the thematic trend of Gaga as invader, starting with her gang of dancers charging through Times Square; they heft a manhole cover branded with the words “Haus of Gaga.” The sanitized and glittery New York of today is contrasted with the deliberately anachronistic and raw gang outfits straight out of the New York of the 1970s and 1980s. Much of the video is a direct homage to the video for Michael Jackson’s “Bad,” which was a display of a pop musician and his dancers flouting boundaries and challenging authority. In “LoveGame” this challenging of authority ranges from jumping subway turnstiles to Gaga co-opting the police with the sheer force of her sexuality. While every Lady Gaga video features numerous costume changes, in “LoveGame” there are three distinct fashion styles used by Gaga to illustrate specific elements of the video’s core theme of sexual expression and dominance. The first is used in the opening of the video, as Gaga brings her gang of dancers all around her. Dressed in light colors to make her stand out from the crowd, she is also hooded and hides her eyes behind a fence-like mesh. Lady Gaga wields her discostick like a scepter, and all eyes follow its bright light as she waves it around. The effect of the whole ensemble is to make Gaga seem ethereal or even magical; although she is surrounded by athletic, towering men, the diminutive Gaga is clearly the dominant figure in the space. Edit: Although since writing that I found out that I had missed Gaga's inspiration for the final outfit in the video, which was the Nazi outfit in The Night Porter, a film about the collision of sex and authority. The hat also features a mesh similar to her mask in the beginning, possibly recalling fences or containment. Perhaps the final sequence is about Gaga seizing control and becoming a dominant force? Not sure.  
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Backweb posted:But I digress... until Lady Gaga puts out a coffee table book with pictures of her nude and engaged in sexual acts, Madonna will remain undisputed queen of pop controversy. And even then Gaga would have only tied Madonna. Who knows what we would have seen if the Fame Kills tour had gone off. Maybe there's a reason it got canceled  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlcfuD1584M
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You need Beats by Dr. Dre earbuds
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Lady Gaga posted:"Speechless" was my plea to my father to get this heart operation. I sent it to my dad when I was on the road. I said "Please, Dad" and he still wouldn’t do it and one day he just started not feeling so good so I dropped everything and sat down with him. I told him it was not just his heart at stake, it was all our hearts. I told him if he died I would quit music and mum would not be able to function. And, thankfully, he did it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PolcJd2eh-w
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You can download it without having to get the downloader -- you can just skip that part.
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Toaster Beef posted:This is my new favorite quote. I think this is a sign and an opportunity for you to switch teams. Lady Gaga would want it that way
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What's interesting is why she looks that way. Lady Gaga posted:When I was doing her video with her, she called me, and she said, "‘What do you want to do?" And I’m like, "I don’t want to show up in some frickin’ hair bow and be fashion Gaga in your video." I said, "I want to do you..." The whole time I was learning the choreography they were calling me Gee-yonce."
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It's kind of her philosophy on collaboration. Maybe it's because of how she started out. Lady Gaga posted:I really wanted to sit down with Wale before I wrote the hook [for "Chillin"], because to me, it's really lame when people send you tracks, and they're like, "All right, Gaga, throw your vocals on it." This is Wale's record. It's not my record. It's one of those songs, one of those tracks and one of those videos that you can't stop listening to.
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Prince of Tennis posted:Anyone who says this doesn't understand Lady Gaga at all and is just jumping on the latest bandwagon. Sorry to be harsh but this is like saying "I like Warhol but pop culture is stupid." Also the fact that you called her a "talentless skank" means you probably should reexamine yourself. To fully accept Gaga requires one to accept ego death. Those who may have stronger prejudices need to take time to break them down, like a Klan member re-examining his belief system
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I posted an excerpt from this earlier, but if you ever wanted to read seven thousand words on Lady Gaga: http://www.thehousenextdooronline.com/2009/12/pop-ate-my-heart-lady-gaga-her-videos.html There you go. quote:
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Lady Gaga posted:My cocaine soundtrack was The Cure. I loved all their music, but I listened to this one song on repeat while I did bags and bags of cocaine. "Whatever I do/It’s not enough." Isn’t that funny? ... At the time I didn’t think there was anything wrong with me until my friends came over and said, "Are you doing this alone?" Um, yes. Me and my mirror.
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Surfer Rosa Parks posted:Is this an official video? Cos if so it's kind of a letdown considering the potential that a song like Teeth had for the video treatment. It's not the official video.
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drainpipe posted:Mystery solved via teeth analysis: http://www.biguglyyellowcouch.com/post/2010/2/11/iamamiwhoami.html. She's someone named Little Boots. Since she doesn't have her own thread, I will point out that Little Boots is actually pretty cool. She's like the Salieri to Lady Gaga's Mozart, which isn't supposed to be an insult because if you listen to Salieri's work it's actually quite good if not exactly groundbreaking
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