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i am the bird
Mar 2, 2005

I SUPPORT ALL THE PREDATORS
That Rome e-mail is hilarious. I think my favorite part is about the cripple leading a nation into war.

Also, do fundies realize that the pilgrims weren't the first colonists?

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crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

Naet posted:

Also, do fundies realize that the pilgrims weren't the first colonists?

I think they think they were the first because all the others (i.e. indians) don't count. Cause they're not white.

i am the bird
Mar 2, 2005

I SUPPORT ALL THE PREDATORS
White dudes landed at Jamestown over a decade before the religious-freedom-white-dudes came to Plymouth, though.

crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

Naet posted:

White dudes landed at Jamestown over a decade before the religious-freedom-white-dudes came to Plymouth, though.

Uhm...they didn't count because they were... not the right kind of christians. I'm pulling straws here but I'm sure it can't be hard to come up with.

Dr. Tough
Oct 22, 2007

Naet posted:

White dudes landed at Jamestown over a decade before the religious-freedom-white-dudes came to Plymouth, though.

Yeah but didn't Jamestown pretty much fail as a colony?

thefncrow
Mar 14, 2001

Dr. Tough posted:

Yeah but didn't Jamestown pretty much fail as a colony?

No. You might be thinking of Roanoke where the settlers seem to have disappeared without any definitive answer as to what happened. One of the leading theories is that they assimilated into a local indian tribe.

Jamestown was a success. It was the capital of Virginia until 1699 when the capital was moved to Williamsburg(and later to Richmond).

sweart gliwere
Jul 5, 2005

better to die an evil wizard,
than to live as a grand one.
Pillbug

thefncrow posted:

No. You might be thinking of Roanoke where the settlers seem to have disappeared without any definitive answer as to what happened. One of the leading theories is that they assimilated into a local indian tribe.

Jamestown was a success. It was the capital of Virginia until 1699 when the capital was moved to Williamsburg(and later to Richmond).

He might have meant how Jamestown had a rough start, though - things didn't get rolling smoothly until several years after founding. It was eventually a success, but many colonists lost their lives on the way there.




Speaking of, did anyone get hit with the republican talking point from months ago about how we already tried socialism: Jamestown and commune-style Pilgrim settlements showed liberal-minded welfare culture always ends with people eating boiled shoe leather and dying?

Was famine to blame, ignorance of local environment, agriculture and wildlife? Bad relations with natives? New diseases? Could there possibly be any factors other than Socialism ?

No. No context needed :smug:

sweart gliwere fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Nov 13, 2009

tek79
Jun 16, 2008

Gramps posted:

Let's see...a devout Muslim who infiltrated the Army just shot to death 13 of our country's best at Fort Hood . This morning we are warned by Obama not jump to conclusions as to his motives. Then this surfaces about our government's unreported Homeland Security summer appointments. Do you think Muslims are getting favorable treatment by our PC Administration and by the media? Do you think this might be dangerous? The answer should be obvious...

"Don't tell my mother I'm in politics. She thinks I play the piano in a whorehouse." Anon.

Well, boys and girls, today we are letting the fox guard the henhouse.
Tomorrow, the wolves will be herding the sheep!

Obama Appoints two devout Muslims to homeland security posts. Doesn't this make you feel safer already?

Obama and Janet Napolitano Appoint Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development Source for announcement: Homeland Security Press Room. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad..com/atlas_shrugs/2009/06/obama-appointment-arif-ali-khan-asst-secretary-dhs.html

The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) is proud to announce that the DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore-in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim, who was born in Damascus, Syria as ADC National Executive Director as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC). http://www.adc.org/

NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...? Just wondering.

Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions? Doesn't this make you feel safer already??

That should make our homeland much safer, huh!!
Was it not "Devout Muslim men" that flew planes into U.S.
buildings 8 years ago? Still think this President is thinking of the welfare of this country?

I used to write responses to these and do a reply-all, but I just don't care anymore. I don't even know what to make of the one I got today. It doesn't even try, in the least, to make a valid point about anything. Muslims are bad I guess?

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

quote:

NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...? Just wondering.

No, I never heard John Ashcroft referred to as a Devout Catholic. Nope.

And please. There's no such thing as a devout Protestant.

dphrag
May 20, 2006
Ooga Booga Goo

Armyman25 posted:

So there is no such thing as a group effort in their world? I would think that since the students are paying to be at the course, they would put forth enough effort not to fail. The students are there to earn a degree, not just pass one class.

I'm pretty sure a class average of F is not the Nash Equilibrium.

Grifter
Jul 24, 2003

I do this technique called a suplex. You probably haven't heard of it, it's pretty obscure.

quazi posted:

Just got this from my dad, who seems to be similar to nearly everyone else's dad:

quote:

Poppycock about 2008 elections
I'm a Hamline University graduate. It's a tiny school in St. Paul, MN. It's pretty sad that this is probably the way most people have heard of my school, and whoever wrote it couldn't even get the spelling right.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

dphrag posted:

I'm pretty sure a class average of F is not the Nash Equilibrium.

Maybe I don't understand Nash Equilibrium very well but in this shared grades situation it seems like a class average of 0 would be the Nash Equilibrium.

Considering that all scores from 0 to 59 are equally worthless it's doubly true.

bgaesop
Nov 1, 2005

by Y Kant Ozma Post
A Nash Equilibrium is when no action taken by only one person can improve their own situation. If no one person increasing their own scores could bump the class average above a 59, then that is a Nash Equilibrium.

Brennanite
Feb 14, 2009

"tek79"'s crazy e-mail posted:

Obama and Janet Napolitano Appoint Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development Source for announcement: Homeland Security Press Room. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad..com...retary-dhs.html

I like how the source appears to be a blog. I assume this is because no news agency is interested in who the Assistant Secretary of the Office of Policy Development (which is what his real title is). Seriously, how can people believe this crap?

Megiddo
Apr 27, 2004

Unicorns bite, but their bites feel GOOD.

Brennanite posted:

I like how the source appears to be a blog. I assume this is because no news agency is interested in who the Assistant Secretary of the Office of Policy Development (which is what his real title is). Seriously, how can people believe this crap?
Pam Geller is a supporter of European neo-Nazis and has extremist anti-Muslim views. In short, she's batshit insane.

Edit: Shockingly, Simon & Schuster's conservative imprint, Threshold, is publishing a book she co-wrote.

Megiddo fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Nov 14, 2009

dphrag
May 20, 2006
Ooga Booga Goo

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Maybe I don't understand Nash Equilibrium very well but in this shared grades situation it seems like a class average of 0 would be the Nash Equilibrium.

Considering that all scores from 0 to 59 are equally worthless it's doubly true.

bgaesop posted:

A Nash Equilibrium is when no action taken by only one person can improve their own situation. If no one person increasing their own scores could bump the class average above a 59, then that is a Nash Equilibrium.

Well I just threw this NE out there for shits and giggles and was initially talking out of my rear end... but now that we're on it....

The NE is probably not 0, simply because it is not score that people are optimizing on, it's study time vs. free time and how much utility they get out of their grade compared to that time. People don't choose what score they want or choose 0, their score is based on some function score(n), and they choose to study 0,1,2,3..n hours, and their utility is a function of both score and time spent studying, some function U(n) = score(n) + time(n) or whatever. That is what they maximize on, not score.

in this case, score is averaged out, so basically no one person can make a significant difference to the average score no matter how much they study, up OR down, then the score(n) portion of the utility function basically becomes exogenous and all utility is derived from time spent studying, that is U(n) = score - time(n).

For all students to study 0 hours, we must assume all students derive only negative utility from studying. Then further, for them to all fail we must assume the average of score(0) for all students is < 59.

Dr.Arbitrary would be right if score(0) = 0 for all students and time(n) was negative for all n for all students. bgaesop is right if score is the only part of utility (in which case, any score is an NE).

None of these assumptions are likely true. Students study anyway because they derive pleasure other than their score (surprisingly some people go to school to learn!), and some students will score > 59 with 0 hours of studying anyway.

Since, at the beginning of the game all students would realize that no matter how hard they did or did not study would not change their score (unless they're idiots), they would choose to study the amount based only on maximizing utility of time(n), and thus their first score was the score they would get on all tests. That is, the score outcome of the NE of U(n) in this case was a B.

So basically, Armyman was on the ball (and in far fewer words).

gently caress that was a seriously neurotic derail.

Plom Bar
Jun 5, 2004

hardest time i ever done :(

dphrag posted:

:words:

The story is also a complete and utter fabrication right from the word "An". Just sayin'.

dphrag
May 20, 2006
Ooga Booga Goo

Plom Bar posted:

The story is also a complete and utter fabrication right from the word "An". Just sayin'.

oh yeah. The REAL equilibrium is that everyone drop the loving class and complain to the dean.

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

The pig is a huge fat pig.
Fallen Rib

quote:

Subject: Happy Something?



*Twas the month before Christmas*

*When all through our land,*

*Not a Christian was praying*

*Nor taking a stand.*

*See the PC Police had taken away,*

*The reason for Christmas - no one could say.*

*The children were told by their schools not to sing,*

*About Shepherds and Wise Men and Angels and things.*

*It might hurt people's feelings, the teachers would say*

* December 25th is just a ' Holiday '.*

*Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and credit*

*Pushing folks down to the floor just to get it!*

*CDs from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-pod*

*Something was changing, something quite odd! *

*Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa*

*In hopes to sell books by Franken & Fonda.*

*As Targets were hanging their trees upside down*

* At Lowe's the word Christmas - was no where to be found.*

*At K-Mart and Staples and Penny's and Sears*

*You won't hear the word Christmas; it won't touch your ears.*

*Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-si-ty*

*Are words that were used to intimidate me.*

*Now Daschle, Now Darden, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen*

*On Boxer, on Rather, on Kerry, on Clinton !*

*At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatter*

*To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.*

*And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith*

* Forbidden to speak of salvation and grace*

*The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded*

*The reason for the season, stopped before it started.*

*So as you celebrate 'Winter Break' under your 'Dream Tree'*

*Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.*

*Choose your words carefully, choose what you say*

*Shout MERRY CHRISTMAS ,

not Happy Holiday !*

Please, all Christians join together and

wish everyone you meet

MERRY CHRISTMAS

Christ is ?The Reason' for the Christ-mas Season!

If you agree please forward, if not, simply delete.

In the requisite Papyrus font and green and red color.

crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out
I love how all this boils down to "My beliefs are more important than everyone else! Why are some people different!?"

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Pungent Mammy posted:

In the requisite Papyrus font and green and red color.

I've never heard of a "dream tree" before. Is that something that really exists?

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

The pig is a huge fat pig.
Fallen Rib

muscles like this? posted:

I've never heard of a "dream tree" before. Is that something that really exists?

It might. And that's good enough for me.

dphrag
May 20, 2006
Ooga Booga Goo
"Christ is ?The Reason' for the Christ-mas Season!"

Is not the origin of Christmas a pagan holiday?

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

dphrag posted:

"Christ is ?The Reason' for the Christ-mas Season!"

Is not the origin of Christmas a pagan holiday?

Well, you know how the Greek and Hebrew versions of the bible are basically translations of the KJV Bible through miraculous time travel? The winter solstice works pretty much the same way.

Plom Bar
Jun 5, 2004

hardest time i ever done :(

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Well, you know how the Greek and Hebrew versions of the bible are basically translations of the KJV Bible through miraculous time travel? The winter solstice works pretty much the same way.

Imagine four December-based celebrations on the edge of a cliff...

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

quote:

Check out this latest picture from Veterans Day 11/11/09 at the Ceremony in Arlington National Cemetery. I don't know whether the National Anthem is being played, or the Flag is going by, or WHAT, but EVERYBODY in the picture is either saluting or has his hand over the HEART.

All except ONE.
Guess who.
I do not make this stuff up!

OUTRAGE!!!! The POTUS at Ft. Hood, Nov. 11, 2009

Our president, "honoring" the 14 dead (an unborn child...not a fetus... was the 14th!) at the hands of a Muslim home grown terrorist!!! Any questions "still" about the allegiance of the Usurper and who he will stand with "should the political winds of change shift in an ugly direction?" To hell with a rope...bring me a Scimitar...the Muslim sword of choice for beheadings!!!


I don't even know where to start. STEALTH MUSLIM, anti-Abortion propaganda and less than subtle middle eastern racism.

Gripen5
Nov 3, 2003

'Startocaster' is more fun to say than I expected.

RagnarokAngel posted:

I don't even know where to start. STEALTH MUSLIM, anti-Abortion propaganda and less than subtle middle eastern racism.

And even a threat to behead the sitting president. Thank god, no one is going to forward this to me.

Toasticle
Jul 18, 2003

Hay guys, out this Rape
:canada:

quote:

Ever wonder why we have to go to the foreign press to read press like this? Our neighbor, Canada , in this case.


----------------------------------------------------------------------------


Re Barack Hussein Obama: I Told You So - Yes I Did

By Howard Galganov

Montreal, Quebec , Canada

23 July 2009




When Obama won the Presidency with the help of the LEFTIST Media, Hollywood And Entertainment Liberals, Ethnic Socialists (ACORN), Stupid Non-Business Professionals and Bush Haters, I wrote: It won't take six months until the People figure this guy out and realize how horrible a mistake they've made. And when they come to that realization, the damage to the United States of America will be so great it will take a generation or more to repair - IF EVER.

The IDIOTS who not only voted for the Messiah, but also worked [hard] to promote his Lordship, are now left holding the bag.

Here are two things they will NEVER do: They will NEVER admit to making a Blunder out of all proportion by electing a snake-oil
salesman with no Positive social history or management experience of any kind. They will NEVER take responsibility for the curse they've imposed upon the immediate and long-term future of their country.

In essence, the people responsible for putting this horror show in
power are themselves responsible for every cataclysmic decision he makes and the Consequences thereof.

In just six months, the Messiah's polls are showing the following: On Healthcare Reform - He's going under for the third time with polling well Under 50 percent, even within his own Party. Even though he might be able to Muscle a Healthcare Reform Bill by using Chicago BULLY tactics against his Fellow Democrats, it will just make things worse. On Cap and Trade (Cap and Tax) - The Fat-Lady is already singing. On the Stimulus Package (Tax and Spend) - His popularity is in FREE-FALL. On the TARP package he took and ran With from President Bush -It's all but Good-Night Irene. On the closing of GITMO and "HIS" war on what he no longer wants called the War On Terrorism - He's standing in quicksand with his head just about to go under. On a Comparison between himself and George W Bush at the same six months into Their respective first term Presidencies - Bush is ahead of him in the Polls. On a comparison between He Who Walks On Water and the 12 preceding Presidents between WW II and now - Obama ranks 10th. On a Poll just Conducted, that asks who would you vote for today between Obama and Mitt Romney - It's a dead heat. Between Obama and Palin - Obama's ONLY ahead by 8 Points and she hasn't even begun to campaign. It seems to me that Obama Wants to be everywhere where he shouldn't be.

He's personally invested in [totally insulting] America 's ONLY REAL Middle Eastern ally ( Israel ) in favor of Palestinian Despots and Murderers. He's traveling the world apologizing for the USA while lecturing others on how to do it right, when in fact and truth he has no experience at doing anything other than getting elected.

He went to the Moslem world in Egypt to declare that America IS NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION while he heaped praises on Islam, where he compared the "plight" of the Palestinians to the Holocaust.

The Russians think he's a putz, The French think he's rude.

The Germans want him to stop spending.

The Indians want him to mix his nose out of their environmental business.

The North Koreans think he's a joke, The Iranians won't acknowledge his calls.

And the British can't even come up with a comprehensive opinion of him.

As for the Chinese, he's too frightened to even glance their way. [After All, China now owns a large portion of the United States .]

Maybe if America 's first Emperor would stay home more, travel less, and work A little bit instead of being on television just about
everyday (or forget About his Wednesday Date Nights with his Amazon Wife) or stop running to "papered" Town Hall Meetings, perhaps he would have a little bit of time to Do the work of the nation.

In all fairness, it wasn't HARD to be RIGHT in my prediction concerning Obama's presidency, even in its first six months, so I'm going to make yet another prediction:

OBAMA WILL PROBABLY NOT FINISH HIS 4-YEAR TERM, at least not in a Conventional way.

He is such a political HORROR SHOW, and so detrimental to the USA and his Own Democratic Party, that the Democrats themselves will either FORCE him to Resign or figure out a way to have him thrown out.

Who knows, maybe he really isn't a BORN US Citizen and that's a way the Democrats will be able to get rid of him. [He is a citizen, but not a naturalized citizen with both mother and father being US citizens.]

Or - MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, the Democrats will make Obama THEIR OWN LAME DUCK PRESIDENT.

I don't believe the Democrats have nearly as much love for their
country as they do for their own political fortunes. And with Obama, their fortunes are rapidly becoming toast.

The Democrats can keep on blaming Bush for EVERYTHING, but that game's already begun to wear real thin.

Their mantra was "WE DON'T WANT 4 MORE YEARS," which the STUPID people bought, since McCain was nothing at all like George W Bush.

The new mantra will soon become: "WE DON'T WANT 6 MORE MONTHS."

I always like how the more rabid ones claim Obama is now hated by the dumbocrats who have come to realize their folly. Or still the messiah.

Vilerat
May 11, 2002

Toasticle posted:

:canada:


I always like how the more rabid ones claim Obama is now hated by the dumbocrats who have come to realize their folly. Or still the messiah.

Ahh yes. Let's all take political advice from an angry Westmount Rhodesian.

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

Toasticle posted:

:canada:


I always like how the more rabid ones claim Obama is now hated by the dumbocrats who have come to realize their folly. Or still the messiah.

Again with the random capitalizations - what the gently caress is up with that in these emails? It's like the part of the brain that specifically stores capitalization rules is tied into the part that rots first when exposed to right-wing nonsense.

tek79
Jun 16, 2008

Howard Galganov posted:

The Russians think he's a putz, The French think he's rude.

The Germans want him to stop spending.

The Indians want him to mix his nose out of their environmental business.

The North Koreans think he's a joke, The Iranians won't acknowledge his calls.

And the British can't even come up with a comprehensive opinion of him.

As for the Chinese, he's too frightened to even glance their way. [After All, China now owns a large portion of the United States .]

And his poo poo STINKS! I mean, not like how your poo poo or my poo poo stinks, I mean it's like a melt the paint off your walls kind of poo poo STINK! Even my cat HATES HIM!

crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

Toasticle posted:

The North Koreans think he's a joke,

According to this email, the world cares what North Korea thinks.

JodoKaast
Apr 18, 2001

An All-in-One and One-in-All of limitless being and self

quote:

In all fairness, it wasn't HARD to be RIGHT in my prediction concerning Obama's presidency, even in its first six months, so I'm going to make yet another prediction:

OBAMA WILL PROBABLY NOT FINISH HIS 4-YEAR TERM, at least not in a Conventional way.
Oh man do I wish I could take that bet.

In other news, I can't wait to see what batshit emails start circulating after Obama's horror show of bowing to the Japanese emperor. I swear to god, a line from news article on the subject:

quote:

The gesture appears to have touched a particularly raw nerve among Obama critics who said the president has hastened America's decline as a world superpower by being too apologetic and too deferential in his dealings with other world leaders.
HASTENED AMERICA'S DECLINE AS A WORLD SUPERPOWER BY BOWING TO SOMEONE. Am I really reading these words??

crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

JodoKaast posted:

HASTENED AMERICA'S DECLINE AS A WORLD SUPERPOWER BY BOWING TO SOMEONE. Am I really reading these words??

According to Fox it was a gesture of disrespect and weakness or some bullshit

Assepoester
Jul 18, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Melman v2
Even Dick Cheney's saying it

"Former Vice President Dick Cheney told POLITICO that Obama was advertising “weakness.”

...

But critics call Obama’s outstretched hand a miscalculation. Cheney said: "There is no reason for an American president to bow to anyone. Our friends and allies don't expect it, and our enemies see it as a sign of weakness.""

LorneReams
Jun 27, 2003
I'm bizarre

Cardboard Box A posted:

But critics call Obama’s outstretched hand a miscalculation. Cheney said: "There is no reason for an American president to bow to anyone. Our friends and allies don't expect it, and our enemies see it as a sign of weakness.""

Yeah, I can just see the logic of some country deciding to gently caress with the US because the president bowed to another countries leader. Are people this loving retarded?

Toasticle
Jul 18, 2003

Hay guys, out this Rape

LorneReams posted:

Yeah, I can just see the logic of some country deciding to gently caress with the US because the president bowed to another countries leader. Are people this loving retarded?

quote:

OBAMA BOWS BEFORE JAPAN'S EMPEROR

THIS IS EMBARRASSING... NO PRESIDENT, NOT EVEN DOUGLAS MC ARTHUR, EVER BOWED TO THE EMPEROR. NOW THIS IDIOT HAS BOWED TO THIS LITTLE TWIRP AND THE THUGS IN SAUDIA ARABIA... WHY DOESN'T HE JUST KISS THEIR rear end WHILE HE IS AT IT...HE IS BOWING LOW ENOUGH...

Assepoester
Jul 18, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Melman v2
It's not just FreeRepublic posters. If the former Vice President said it, a lot of people will actually believe it, just because the former Vice President said it.

LorneReams
Jun 27, 2003
I'm bizarre

Cardboard Box A posted:

It's not just FreeRepublic posters. If the former Vice President said it, a lot of people will actually believe it, just because the former Vice President said it.

Yeah, the US has the largest military force in the world as well as nukes with a historical precedent for using them....but the US is surely a paper tiger because the president bowed to a leader of a country.

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Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

LorneReams posted:

Yeah, the US has the largest military force in the world as well as nukes with a historical precedent for using them....but the US is surely a paper tiger because the president bowed to a leader of a country.

That's the thing that burns me most about this line of thinking - they obviously care more about whether we look weak than whether we are weak. (And of course, if they think we are weak, they give no thought to their own role in making us so.)

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