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I was pretty much ready to give up on SP after G.L.O.W./Superchrist and F.O.L., and this is after a good 14 years of constant fanboyism. But then they had to go and release this song and now I can't help but like them again. Damnit.
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That first link REALLY sounds like the beginning of La Dolly Vita.
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Jun 7, 2012 18:23
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The Black Stones posted:Billy said he didn't want to do a single for it. Instead, a week before the album drops, he wants to have the whole thing available for listening online so you can understand the album as a whole. Thank god, I was straight up refusing to buy this until I could listen to the whole thing.
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Jun 8, 2012 15:56
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Halfway through the first track and shockingly enough I like it. I'm hoping there's some variety to the sound this time, because that was one thing that I really hated about Zeitgeist.
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Jun 12, 2012 06:25
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For what it's worth, Amazon has the physical CD for a buck less than the digital downloads either iTunes or Amazon themselves have, plus you get a $1 MP3 credit.
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Jun 14, 2012 05:10
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Transistor Rhythm posted:SP were my first love, my first obsession, my first band that could be my life, etc. starting with Siamese in '93, when I was 13. They went on to be my favorite thing in the world for about the next 10 years straight. I loved that Billy was a total art pussy who was derided by bands like Soundgarden and Alice in Chains and their fans, yet still rocked harder, heavier, and outplayed those bands by a loving mile in pure visceral meathead power at the same time. I remember a meathead Alice in Chains fan friend of mine who derided Billy as a "fag" until I played him "Geek U.S.A." turned up to 11 and melted his loving face off and sent him home questioning his own masculinity. SP were always artier, more epic, more ambitious than any of their peers and Billy was unquestionably the best mainstream rock songwriter of his generation by a large margin. This kid has nothing on Jimmy and the song is "Stars Fall In." More or less agree with everything else though. You should give the new album another shot, after a few days with it, the individual songs started jumping out at me and I was able to really enjoy them. It reminds me a lot of Zwan in terms of the optimism and positiveness of the record. "The Chimera" is a really great song.
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Jun 26, 2012 06:56
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CabaretVoltaire posted:Yeah I think he's still been writing good stuff but everything has been a bit half baked. Like I think Zeitgeist could have been a great record if they'd taken a bit more care and time with it and if a the songs were at least developed by a full band. That's another thing about this album, it REALLY sounds like there's a full band influencing him. The bass is actually doing something for once.
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Jun 26, 2012 16:39
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Question: Am I the only one that thinks Neverlost is the best song on Zeitgeist?
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Jun 27, 2012 07:24
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MUFFlNS posted:I'm also interested to see what the 64 b-sides will be. I'm really hoping it collects all the songs from the singles of that era rather than just obscure demos and stuff. But that's already on the TAFH box!
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Oct 2, 2012 15:03
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Allen Wren posted:The original UK vinyl was three LPs, so I don't know what the gently caress. Maybe they're audiophile vinyl, with more space for better grooves? It wouldn't shock me if they did that with the CD tracklist and just put each CD on 2 records.
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Oct 29, 2012 14:17
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So, vinyl aside, is anyone else as in love with the new version of Jupiter's Lament on the bonus tracks as I am? Because I really am.
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Jan 14, 2013 18:59
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Billy has gotten a little chubby as he's gotten older and has started to resemble a stretched-out baby.
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Feb 21, 2013 08:10
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Allen Wren posted:I prefer the UK LP order myself, I was hoping that the reissue would use that as well, but apparently not. What's the difference between that and the US vinyl one? Millstone posted:Slurry is a Simpsons thing I thought that was Squishee?
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Ballz posted:Still waiting for that last show before the original breakup to come out on 3D Blu Ray. < Yeah, the Metro show has become kind of a holy grail. I'm of the opinion that it will never come out now, which is pretty sad. The clip on the video collection DVD is awesome.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Fair enough, I'd honestly switch out Cupid de Locke for Set the Ray to Jerry. Man, that song allegedly got so close to making the cut. If I remember correctly, Billy really really wanted that song in, and it was Flood that gave it the no-go. edit: http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/song.html?song_id=146&song_type=1 Baron von Eevl fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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The album is only 28 songs. If they're all crappy why are you listening to it?
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Sep 2, 2013 19:23
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Yeah, I really wish Billy hadn't gotten into doing so much ecstasy and put out the piano/acoustic album he was planning on.
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Sep 20, 2013 17:36
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LordPants posted:If Adore is five disks god knows how big Machina will be. I heard one of the things Bjorn wants to do with the Machina reissue is do a 'KISS Alive!' style remix of the album, remixing the studio tracks with audience noise to make it sound like some bizarre performance.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Is anyone in this thread under 25? The drummer's under 25.
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Hey, I really like that Zwan CD. Jimmy's drumming on the song MSotS is some of his best ever.Cemetry Gator posted:It's no surprise that MCIS is held so highly, since that was the point where the Pumpkins acted as a band in the studio, instead of as a front for Billy Corgan and the Billy Corgan Band with the Billy Corgan Experienced with special guest Billy Corgan and the Billy Corgans, featuring Jimmy Chamberlain on drums. He doesn't really have anyone to play off of, and that's how you get 8 hour synth-fests that amounts to a guy tooling around without any real purpose. Very few artists can work well in that isolated environment, and Billy needs the tension to help him form better work. From what I understand, Gish is really the only album like that. Everything Siamese Dream onward had Billy playing most of the bass and guitar tracks unless they were just jamming. James did a fair amount of dubbing into the mix, but from what I've heard it was pretty much all Billy. Supposedly he's calmed down about that and the rest of his new band had a fair amount of influence on Oceania, but who really knows.
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I kind of like Oceania too. I think there are a couple issues with the mix, but it's still leagues ahead of Zeitgeist. I think I heard that The Chimera off that album mostly came out of them all jamming together. I recently rediscovered that song and it's pretty awesome. If it just had a little more structure and didn't wander around so much (and maybe a better lyrical and melodic hook) it would have probably made a great modern pop/rock track and might have ended up on the charts.
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Mar 11, 2014 07:21
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The Black Stones posted:I don't think your 2 double album dream is going to happen. Newest post states it was actually about 80 songs and the rest were alternate takes, and from there they've got 35 that are definitely ones they think will make the cut for the album. He also said of those 35, 26 are "star" tracks and 9 are "cougar" tracks, so of course keep that in mind or something.
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Mar 27, 2014 05:31
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That was one of the big problems I had with Zeitgeist, the vocals were smashed WAY up front in the mix, it was pretty distracting. Also most of the songs weren't very good.
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Mar 27, 2014 16:48
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Neverlost is pretty cool for not sounding like All The Same Song on the rest of the album.
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Mar 29, 2014 04:38
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So Billy designed this "Panopticon" site himself, didn't he?
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Apr 10, 2014 15:22
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Yeah, before the white album, they were really focusing on the mono mix primarily. When they did make a stereo mix, it was a quick half-day sort of thing where the band wouldn't even hang out. As for why the Adore vinyl was mono, I have no idea. As Cemetery Gator said, it was probably just Billy/Bjorn figuring it would be fun and weird to do.
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I'm glad at least Jeff is sticking around. He's a solid guitarist. Mike was a pretty good drummer, but I always thought Song For A Son suffered for its lack of Jimmy.
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May 9, 2014 19:40
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Noise Machine posted:The brunt of a Siamese Dream-esqe tone is an Electro Harmonix Big Muff (NYC, not Russian) into an overdriven Marshall head. That's really the key, but I have no idea how to replicate that in Amplitube. What this guy said. Also Billy was probably playing a Strat in that era so you've already got that down.
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May 14, 2014 13:58
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I really like a lot of the Adore material, but so much of it gets bogged down in the techno bullshit. I think if they kept a few of the tracks a little closer to some of the piano/band songs from the Adore Demos boots, and kept the atmospheric stuff it would be their strongest work. poo poo like Apples + Oranges really bog it down though. Also I almost always skip Ava Adore now, it's too 1998.
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May 24, 2014 06:25
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Jack's Flow posted:I really wish he would stop doing that. Maybe he felt weird that the name "Smashing Pumpkins" was older than the drummer for the Smashing Pumpkins.
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Jun 14, 2014 16:50
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There's a demo version of Blank Page that Variety has up. I think I prefer it to the album version.
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Sep 10, 2014 13:35
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Sorry. And yeah, it's weird hearing Billy give an interview where he sounds reasonable and doesn't say anything too idiotic. He even has nice things to say about Mike, Nicole and Jimmy instead of just calling them "loving liars" or whatever.
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Oh hey, the entire Fox Theater show that's going to be on the DVD is up on YouTube for another day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl7WcWPabTQ It's a bit of an Adore-heavy set; the only songs from anything else are Thru the Eyes of Ruby, Tonight Tonight, Bullet with Butterfly Wings and 1979. But yeah, of course the show on the Adore box set is going to be a show where they play almost the entirety of Adore.
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Sep 20, 2014 14:57
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Really? I always thought the too-electronica tracks like Apples + Oranges were the weakest parts. Dusty and Pistol Pete has grown on me. I think Once Upon A Time is pretty weak, and frankly I don't even like Ava Adore that much. I would have much rather heard an album closer to the demos, but maybe with the atmospherics we get on the final version.
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Chewing Gum is kind of a weak song, but I love the sound of it. It's something they were doing live a lot but never shows up on the album. Watching this concert and man is D'arcy just the loving worst. She has zero stage presence. But man is this version of Pug great. Also Crestfallen without the silly synth intro.
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That's one thing I've heard him talking about. Apparently he and Flood are trying to do like a fake Glass and the Ghost Children live album a la Kiss Alive, with audience noise and poo poo. It's going to be nuts, whatever it is.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say Ringo was my favorite member of the Smashing Pumpkins.
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Devol_Tettran posted:I wonder if we'll get the finished chunks of the animated Glass and the Machines of God series included with the Machina set? From what I've seen, let's all hope not.
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DominoDancing posted:As it turns out, I like NONE of the Matt Walker "reimaginations". They all sound like super generic late 90's electro-rock in exactly the way Adore mostly avoided. That's kind of my take on it. I think it works for Pug, but I'm not sure Pug really works itself.
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