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The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Proposed Budget under 30k
Type of car: Sedan->compact range (used or new)
To be used for: Daily driver, occasional road trips
Primary goals: Mileage, comfort


Anybody have experience/recommendations with non-Prius Hybrids? I've tried out a Prius, and they just don't feel right in terms of visibility. I'm 6'1 and pretty wide/fat at 240, so comfort would also be up there for me.

This is in an "eventually" stage for me, as a post doc, I don't get paid much, but if I do go into industrial r&D it pays well enough for 30k or less cars, and I have a preference for used cars, as I can do some basic work on them (up to installing a clutch, or needing a winch in general).

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The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Unless China has improved massively since stuff like this popped up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9YbDCvrBBk
versus the crappy older Ford Escape
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT-VBO4O55A

Then I think Americans still have a good reason to say no. Does any US car crash like that Chinese one at 40 mph? Until Americans can do good brand distinguishing for Chinese automakers, I'd go with the precautionary attitude myself.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


kimbo305 posted:

Not any recent ones. But it wasn't so long ago...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHBMMffpGOo#t=12s

Wow, that's nasty. But I think my point of Americans being unable to recognize good Chinese brands still stands.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Splizwarf posted:

No, I'm pretty sure we all recognize Volvo's safety reputation.

But seriously, other than Volvo (and they're no more a Chinese company now than they were an American company when Ford owned them), what Chinese cars are exported? What is there to "recognize"?

Oh, it is currently a moot point since I don't think any Chinese cars are exported to the U.S., but I was addressing Throatwarbler's post. Even if Chinese cars were exported to U.S. markets (and pass safety standards), there would be a very weak reception since there is no brand recognition. I mean, nuts, it took Japanese car companies a while to gain significant market share back in the day.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Boten Anna posted:

Proposed Budget: 10k or less unless there's a really compelling reason
New or Used: used unless there's a really compelling reason
Body Style: I adore the eco-car look. Smaller is better.
What aspects are most important to you? Explanation follows, but basically eco-friendly/high gas mileage

Basically, I need a car to get me to the train station a couple of miles away and back, with some weekend use. Since train tickets are surprisingly expensive where I live, I don't want to spend a ton of money on a car on top of that. As such I'd like to keep it under $10k if possible unless I could stretch it for a compelling reason.

I don't even really want to own a car unless it's electric, except the dang things are like $30k and you need to own a house to install the charging station, also none of them are used yet. Plug-in hybrids are in the same boat. I want something with very high fuel efficiency and am willing to even pay extra for it (note that this is more out of ideology than practicality) but it's more important to me that the car is used due to that having a much lighter impact on both the environment and my wallet.

My partner has a hatchback with enough cargo room, so 2 seats and no cargo space is fine (and I'd quite prefer it.)

I can drive stick.

What I've been looking at is a Smart car, but I'm in the US and we don't get the good diesel ones with high fuel efficiency here I'm considering getting one for the asthetic anyway, but I am incapable of making major life decisions without consulting goons first I would like to hear if anyone has any better ideas I can look into.

How far is the weekend use? Is a scooter or a motorcycle practical for your needs?

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

People who complain about that fall in to two groups: curmudgeons who are terrible idiots, and people who like to turn their own wrenches. For the vast majority of people, cars are more reliable than ever before, probably up to the quarter million mile mark. Most consumers dispose of their vehicle far in advance of that, typically as soon as it needs major drivetrain service, and that point is farther off than ever before.

However, for the enthusiast who likes to work on cars, new cars are a nightmare. But if you're not turning your own wrench, basically every single car you can buy today in the United States is safer and more reliable than anything you could buy 20 years ago.

Speaking of the latter group, are newer cars (2007 and newer) all harder to do your own repair work on? I'm still driving a small mid-90s Ford Escort, and I've done enough stuff like change out the master cylinder, new CV axles, shocks and the like to enjoy it. I'd like to know if that kind of stuff is possible with any of the newer cars?

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Well, here's a thing. What would be a good "not-Honda Fit" car that still has the same general set of features with regards to cargo space and mileage, a mid 2000s wagon?

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Apollodorus posted:

The Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibe. They're nearly identical to each other, and both have fold-flat seats like the Fit does. They also get decent mileage.

The only downside is you may think they are ugly; I personally don't, but I understand why someone might not want to be seen in either of them.

Thanks! Since I am an unhip nerd who has never worried about being cool, I'd probably be happy with either one. Camping trips, cross country driving, and a happy (future) doggie are more what I'm angling for.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


quaunaut posted:

I just don't trust American cars. A long history of having to help people who were having trouble with theirs when they were 3-4 years old sealed that deal.

The old Camry isn't costing me $600/mo, but in February, I brought it in to find that my steering pump had gone bad, enough that it damaged the rack and pinion($1000). I get it back, and 3 days later I've got strut/shock issues that cost me $600, and take the precaution to fix my CV axle for $500. I still need to replace the window motor, and having constant issues like this despite this car being incredibly well taken care of, is me just getting everything pounding on me all at once. I can do all the small maintenance I want, but when it's major issue after major issue cropping up, there's not a lot I can do about that.

I replaced all of struts and both half axles on my tiny little '96 Ford Escort for sub-600, plus my own labor the day after Thanksgiving. Now I have an irrational attachment to the drat thing and probably won't part with it until it dies beyond what I can fix or life gets in the way with a needed size upgrade, but drat you are paying a heck of a lot of money for that.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


quaunaut posted:

I'd love to be mechanically inclined, but replacing my brakes was more hell than I was comfortable with. Though, it was 108 out that day in Oklahoma, and I was doing it on sharp gravel...

I feel ya on doing work in the heat. I'm in Dallas. It sucks, but it's doable, I promise.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Powdered Toast Man posted:

Some complicated poo poo is about to come down and I'm going to have to give up my current car (surrendering it in the course of bankruptcy proceedings).

So...

Proposed Budget: Less than $3000 (preferably a lot less)
New or Used: Obviously Used
Body Style: No preference, although hatchbacks are my first love (my first car was an 88 Golf)
How will you be using the car?: To/from work about 32 miles round trip, no long distance (as in, out of state) driving.
Do you prefer a luxury vehicle with all the gizmos? Not at this price point...
What aspects are most important to you? In order of importance; Reliability (gotta get to work), economy (decent MPG), ease of repair (I know what I'm doing in this department and have tools) & reasonably cheap parts when needed.

My car is a mid-to-late 90s ford escort manual transmission. Tinny as poo poo, I got mine at 150k miles for 2k, but even a novice wrench monkey like me can keep it running (currently at 213k miles and the worst issue I have now is my A/C unit), and it gets 32-36 mpg since I drive mostly highway.

The Dipshit fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Aug 5, 2013

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Engineer Lenk posted:

Is this really that rare? I'm 32 and still driving my 99 Camry from college - and it'll probably go for another 5+ years. My wife's still driving her 97 Prizm from high school. It seems like everyone in my family keeps cars for 10 years or >200k miles.

Not really, I'm still driving a '96 Ford Escort with 215k miles on it, and haven't bought a car since early 2000s. Though I admit I'm looking to find a newer hatchback car sometime in the next year or two. I think Throatwarbler just has a different peer group, and is generalizing out a bit on this.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


General question/whine for super cheap subcompacts car hunting. Is there a reason why almost no asks for a price even relatively close to KBB/Edmunds? It's insane how many cars I've seen that have major mechanical issues where the owner asks for above retail price.

Or is Texas just full of special, unique snowflakes?

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Faceless Clock posted:

Look at early 90s Civics and Accords. They're not BMWs but still handle pretty well and have really nice 5-speeds. You're more likely to find an Accord in good condition than a Civic, for obvious reasons, and it'll be better on road noise.

Yeah, it took me over a month to find a civic that wasn't complete poo poo in that range. I wouldn't hold out on finding a good civic.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


an skeleton posted:

How does this car look:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/4315756390.html

It's Black and an Acura with less than 120k miles so I'm obviously in love. What is a fair price to try to talk this down to? I was thinking 5k.

Try more like 4.3k, since you'll need tires and the like.

http://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/2003/Acura/TL-V6/Sedan-4D-3-2/Values


EDIT: I'd also like to give a shout out to this thread for the help and guidelines on buying a used car. Got a 2004 manual Civic with 161k miles on it for 2700. All it needed was a CV axle and some tires, and the mechanic said it was good to go. Thanks Goons!

The Dipshit fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Feb 5, 2014

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


an skeleton posted:

How did you ascertain that the CV axle/tires were the problem? Do you feel like you saved a lot of $$$ fixing it yourself vs. finding one in better condition?


The CV axle was leaking when I took a look at it when inspecting the car myself. I did the CV axles on my old car, so I knew what to look for. In the OP there is a strong suggestion to take any used car to a well-known mechanic for a prepurchase inspection (30 for a cheap one, 100 for the most expensive one I got while shopping) so I did that as well. The mechanic mentioned a couple of other minor issues, such as the oil change was almost due, one of the valve gaskets was leaking and needed to be tightened (somebody didn't put it back on correctly when it was done at 145k miles, if the maintenance records are to be believed) the power steering belt needed to be switched out soon and I'd probably need a timing belt at 180k, but whatever. Bringing the inspection checklist along with a written estimate of the work needed was my negotiation tool when I went to the owner and made my offer (neglecting the fact that I would do the work myself and not pay such a bill), since they initially asked for 3550. I just essentially took the NADA "clean trade in" price, and offered them to pay for that minus the work that the mechanic quoted me on, which seemed like a reasonable way of doing things.

EDIT: Specific to Honda Civics, do not get automatic trans Civics for year 2001-2002. They have a habit of making GBS threads the bed.

The Dipshit fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Feb 5, 2014

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


an skeleton posted:

God damnit, I was just about to check this one out:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/4320004215.html

Now I'm scared to buy any car ever

Honestly, those are the only two years that are all that bad, and since your budget is 7k or less, you can find a pretty reliable car for fairly cheap on that kind of budget. I'm in the DFW area, and I spent a month of my free time on looking up civics and other boring reliable cars since I'm ~40 miles away from my lab, send me a PM and I'll try to help you out as I can. I mean, one way of looking at it is to look at 5k cars, and set aside up to 2k for whatever the mechanic finds and you'll have a good car for a while. If you want a good mechanic for the Richardson/Garland area, the Arlington area, Dallas downtown, or Rockwall, I know the better garages who can do a very thorough inspection. A good maintenance record is solid gold, but I gave up on that, since people don't seem to put their records in the glove box like God intended.

EDIT: Don't be afraid of driving a stick shift, it takes a weekend to learn how to drive one. It makes even boring civics fun-ish.

The Dipshit fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Feb 6, 2014

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Emasculatrix posted:

Looking for used Priuses is discouraging. 80% of them are salvage titles. I emailed someone on CL selling a 2006 (which was 8 years ago) with over 130,000 miles asking if he'd be willing to sell at KBB/edmunds' true market value...and got a pretty rude response.

I feel you. It took me a month to find a non-poo poo car.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


I was in the 1-3k range of buying cars, and its true, a lot of folks are weird about getting a PPI, but with some patience, it's doable.

Leperflesh posted:

It's OK to be a bit sympathetic, because people selling stuff on craigslist get jerked around constantly by assholes, so they probably don't want to deal with an rear end in a top hat that they think wants to drive away in their car, waste hours of their time, and then hideously lowball them.

What I'd suggest is to see the car, and then talk about a price that isn't too far off from what they're asking, and then suggest a mechanic that is very local to them where you can take the car. At that point you should be able to say "unless the mechanic finds something wrong that's in addition to the issues you've already disclosed, I'm prepared to buy this car for $x. We can go straight from the mechanic to the bank."

Obviously you should find a mechanic near the seller and call to ask what a PPO costs and whether you need an appointment, so you're not on the spot wasting the seller's time if they agree.

If they still refuse at that point, well, you should walk, and it sucks, but you don't want to buy an uninspected car.

This is really the best advice. I had to walk away from a few cars, and I essentially took this tack.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


an skeleton posted:

X-Post from AI stupid question thread:

So the 2004 Honda Civic LX that I drove today (private party from Craigslist) had a pretty big dent in the front bumper (claimed his wife hit a dryer in the driveway) and also a smaller dent/scratch on the back and also has some bad alignment going on + scratches on the windshield and the rest of the car. The car drove nice though, the interior is leather and well kept, and the guy only put 7k miles on it since buying it in 2012 (it went from roughly 118k to 125k miles). He claimed to be buying a bigger car since his wife just had a kid, but you hear that all the time so who knows--the guy seemed quite "trustworthy," was patient and not at all pushy. I'm going to take it to a shop to get checked out which he was cool with. Are the dents/alignment huge red flags or can we chalk that up to 125k miles of wear and tear? His asking price is 5500, but I think with the cosmetic damage + alignment and fact that the KBB price seems to be closer to 4800 (and Edmund's lower than that) tell me that I should shoot for closer to 4000. Is offering up 4000 disrespectful or a reasonable starting place assuming no other major problems?

Also a more general question, what are the things I need to do before forking over ~4-5k dollars? When is the car "mine?"

Specifically in Texas there is a sales form (Form 130-U) where you fill out, then the blue owners certificate is signed and dated with an odometer reading at the time of sale. You take that to the local county tax assessor, and you tell them what you paid for it, and they either tax you 6.25% on what you paid for it, or 6.25% on the Standard Presumptive Value (SPV), whichever gives them more money.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


an skeleton posted:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-Civic...=US_Cars_Trucks

How does this look? How low do you think I could talk them down? I was thinking 8,000. Would it be a decent deal then, assuming its in good condition?

Are there some really good reasons to get an 06-09'ish civic instead of '03-'04ish?

ALSO: I'd like to hear some accord vs. civic insights if anyone has any.

Note this doesn't have any maintainance records listed, but because I'm an idiot and I accidentally got a 30 day autocheck instead of a regular one:



Vehicle: 2008 Honda Civic LX (1HGFA16548L006427)
Event Date Event Location Odometer Reading Data Source Event Detail
09/14/2007 DALLAS, TX
2
Dealer Service NEW VEHICLE PREPPED FOR SALE
VEHICLE SERVICED
04/28/2008 DALLAS, TX
5,240
Dealer Service LUBE, OIL/FILTER CHANGED
05/31/2008 KAUFMAN, TX

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
06/20/2008 KAUFMAN, TX
5,354
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:05745639607102704) (Lien Reported)
08/29/2008 DALLAS, TX
10,466
Dealer Service LUBE, OIL/FILTER CHANGED
05/05/2009 KAUFMAN, TX

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
10/06/2009 KAUFMAN, TX
37,369
Independent Emission Source PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
PASSED SAFETY INSPECTION
02/22/2010 DALLAS, TX
48,083
Dealer Service VEHICLE BODY SERVICED
VEHICLE SERVICED
05/01/2010 KAUFMAN, TX

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
10/29/2010 KAUFMAN, TX
64,336
64,337
Independent Emission Source PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
PASSED SAFETY INSPECTION
PASSED SAFETY INSPECTION
11/13/2010 DALLAS, TX
65,534
Dealer Service BRAKES SERVICED
SUSPENSION SERVICED
VEHICLE SERVICED
11/18/2010 DALLAS, TX
65,917
Dealer Service VEHICLE SERVICED
05/01/2011 KAUFMAN, TX

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
11/08/2011 KAUFMAN, TX
91,967
Independent Emission Source PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
PASSED SAFETY INSPECTION
05/01/2012 KAUFMAN, TX

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
11/29/2012 KAUFMAN, TX
117,057
Independent Emission Source PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
PASSED SAFETY INSPECTION
05/01/2013 KAUFMAN, TX

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
10/02/2013 DALLAS, TX
133,965
Dealer Service VEHICLE SERVICED
12/05/2013 KAUFMAN, TX
137,040
Independent Emission Source PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
PASSED SAFETY INSPECTION

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Ciaphas posted:

Proposed Budget: $35k at the absolute most
New or Used: New
Body Style: Sedan or Coupe, any size, doesn't matter long as it isn't a leviathan
How will you be using the car?: 99% work/errand commute, less than 8,000 miles a year
What aspects are most important to you? 1) Gizmos like Bluetooth phone and either iPod or phone music connectivity (GPS a plus but not needed). 2) Reliability (assuming it's treated and maintained well, I don't trash my cars). 3) Good quality A/C, because I live in Las Vegas and it get loving hot. 4) Reasonable trunk space (read: not my 328i, which has a fair size trunk but the actual opening is loving rubbish). LED lamps'd be a nice side bonus because I think they look nice

I'm specifically beginning to wonder about all-electric cars, partly because I'm a nerd, and partly because I drive so little (and never distances more than, at most, 200mi; that's what airports are for). From website trawling the Nissan Leaf caught my attention, at least (though I'm not doing any test driving until September, when my current lease comes close to ending). I've had friends turn me off of the Chevy(?) Volt, but I haven't done any research myself besides vaguely hearing that it's a plug-in hybrid or something () so vOv

(edit) Minor sidenote: I have a slight bias toward looking at Nissan or Infiniti, because of familial connections at a local dealership, though I'm still willing to look elsewhere.

You could gut your BMW 328i, grab a kit from here: http://www.emotorwerks.com/ and make your own electric car.

... of course, it'll make the trunk issue worse.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


an skeleton posted:

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/4315431330.html

So this 2006 Civic had its engine replaced recently, due to the driver running over a rim (??) on the freeway and it puncturing the oil pan or something like that. So now it has a used engine that the driver claims is newer than the one that was in it. As per the listing and speaking with the owner, he also had a bunch of things replaced while it was in the shop and he has receipts for everything. He said he would let it go at 7400 but I'm gonna try my damnedest to get it down to 7,000. He also said he is cool with taking it to a shop for inspection with me. I'm very tempted to pull the trigger on this one, any insights?

As long as he has the paperwork for the used engine, and some way to track it, sure. There IS paperwork, right?

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Grumpwagon posted:

I like how you've made like 25 posts here asking about cars, then ended up buying an overpriced car from a marginal generation.

I mean, I'm sure it will be fine, and if you like how it drives, who am I to tell you otherwise? It's just funny.

Hey! I like my '04 manual civic. It is not a bad car at all.

I also paid less than half what an skeleton is thinking, and I upgraded from a '96 Ford Escort shitbox, so my point of reference is probably a little skewed.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Insanite posted:

Is it more complicated than more weight + more material between you and something else in a crash = more safety? Man, cars are hard.

Nowadays, yes. It all depends on how the car is set up to absorb the shock of impact. If all the energy is dispersed in the car body crumpling (or with the metal properly treated), there will be less rattling around of you the passenger. As I understand it, the older cars from decades past just went with the "more than=better".

Example youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ULm6QrC428

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

If you like to drive a manual transmission vehicle, the Ford Focus is a good choice with a manual transmission, just not with an auto.

Do any of the compact cars that can be had as a hatchback have decent automatic transmissions? I keep on hearing that refrain for the Mazda3 and the Ford Focus. I'm probably going to go for a 4 door hatchback for my next car, and I should probably try for an automatic so my fiancee can drive it as well.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


I had a friend offer the idea of getting a hybrid car, but the Prius doesn't really appeal (ugly ugly ugly), and the Camry is wildly expensive for what you get. Would a ~2011-2012 Fusion hybrid be reasonably similar in terms of car's expected lifetime, since they essentially licensed out Toyota's drive-train? I can find them for about 15k with 20-40k miles on them.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Claverjoe posted:

I had a friend offer the idea of getting a hybrid car, but the Prius doesn't really appeal (ugly ugly ugly), and the Camry is wildly expensive for what you get. Would a ~2011-2012 Fusion hybrid be reasonably similar in terms of car's expected lifetime, since they essentially licensed out Toyota's drive-train? I can find them for about 15k with 20-40k miles on them.

Ended up getting a 2011 Lincoln MKZ Hybrid with 17k miles on it, full maintenance records for 19.5k including taxes. The fanciest Fusion. Hell, it gets 42 mpg on regular highways and 38mpg on the interstate without any babying. Nice little car.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


antiga posted:

Proposed Budget: $25,000 unless there is a great reason to spend more
New or Used: Used, see below
Body Style: Most likely 4-door sedan
How will you be using the car?: Daily driver, 300+ mi/week (100 city, 200 hwy)
Do you prefer a luxury vehicle My previous car, 2003 Camry XLE, had heated leather seats and I want that feature. Otherwise, ESC and Bluetooth are the only must haves. Backup camera is a plus but not required. I have not been impressed with nav systems, blind spot cameras, etc so far.
What aspects are most important to you? Reliability, total cost of ownership, mpg, field of vision. Stylish enough to not be a Prius, but the Camry was honestly fine. I am tall so I've found that I have a very difficult time seeing out the rear windows in some smaller vehicles.

2014 Fusion 4cyl: Interior space was good, felt kind of slow to accelerate for something that the salesman talked up as being sporty. I wonder about the reliability and some complaints online about MPG ratings. 30,000 mi, $19900, Dealer


The fusion Hybrid might be something to look at. Good MPG, more pep than the 4cyl Fusion, and they essentially licensed their engine from Toyota. I got a Lincoln MKZ (same car) with heated/cooled seats at 17k miles for under $20k.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Planet X posted:

Speaking of the fusion hybrid, what are general thoughts on those? Anyone have one? I'm considering one, along with a standard fusion see or accord. (2013) still not sure if I'm going hybrid or not.

I freaking love mine. Mine is technically a Lincoln MKZ(ephyr), but it's the exact same car with a dolled up interior. Of course, my point of reference is a 2004 Civic I got for less than 3k while a student.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


jarjarbinksfan621 posted:

I don't really want to deal with randoms on craigslist, so I'm thinking of going the used dealer route. How does getting an independent inspection work? Can I just be like "sales bro, I gotta swing this over to my wrench man real quick?" Do they usually ask for you to leave money as collateral or something?

Holy poo poo, no. They get a copy of your driver's license and insurance, then you go off.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


semicolonsrock posted:

Proposed Budget: <$2,500

What aspects are most important to you?: I would really, really like to never have to upkeep the car any more than a tune up every so often.

One of these things, doesn't belong here. Any reliable transport that just needs oil changes is gonna be more than 2.5k, outside of some family sweetheart deals.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Why wouldn't you want a minivan? Have you tried it out, or are you susceptible to the image issue of owning a minivan?

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


nm posted:

New Mazda 6. Better car than the fusion in every way unless you particularly like aston martins.
They also get the best FE of any non-hybrid.
Also, I have heard nothing buy bad things about ford's hybrids from both a reliability standpoint and a driveablity standpoint.
Hybrid means buy a toyota or maybe a volt (though the volt is in its last year before a major revision, so don't pay retail).

I've been pretty happy with my 2011 Lincoln hybrid, and I'm pulling 41 combined MPG (don't drive like an idiot where pedal is GO and brake is STOP). Certainly it is quite a drivable car with a bit more turning radius than I'm used to, but I've only had subcompacts before this car.

I will say, the first of the 2010 Ford hybrids kinda sucked, but after that, they've been just fine, according to truedelta.

The Dipshit fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Apr 28, 2015

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Internet Explorer posted:

Well, you sound like fun at parties!

Lots of fun. Learned to survive partying with the Russians in grad school. Even the nerds drink like fish.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


nm posted:

Isn't the 98-02 accord notorious for automatic transmission failures?

only the 6 cylinder one, I think.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Logikv9 posted:


How is Ford with reliability? My family has historically avoided American brands due to previous unreliability. I know all of the brands have improved in terms of reliability, but it's a stupid stigma that's stuck in my head.

The Fiesta & Focus seem pretty neat.

Don't get the automatic transmissions with Fiesta and Focus from the most recent used years as they can grenade on you, but otherwise they are solid.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


smackfu posted:

My future wife is looking to replace her pretty awesome Mustang GT convertible with something "more practical".

It's a company car paid for by her union job, which gives one interesting restriction: It has to be on this list: http://www.uaw.org/sites/default/files/12_30VehicleGuide-101015_0.pdf (No games about BMWs being made by union workers or anything like that either.)

Proposed Budget: $30k
New or Used: New
Body Style: Crossover or Compact SUV
How will you be using the car?: Commuter, some weekend trips.
What aspects are most important to you? "Peppy", decent in snow. Heated leather seats. Has to be a union made vehicle on the UAW list. MPG isn't that important since gas is paid for.

The union-made requirement seems to knock off most of the typical suggestions here.

Fusion with V6 <-test drove this before, liked it well enough, is practical and roomy
Verano with turbo <- Winner of the "peppy" award, drove this one as a rental and loved it.
lacrosse <-cross shops with Fusion, mostly as a "eh, worth a test drive"

crossovers/CUVs aren't practical, damnit.

Though reading through the builds of the last, the lacrosse has a hybrid version with 25/36 mpg? Hahahahah, what bullshit.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Git Mah Belt Son posted:

There is no v6 Fusion anymore. They replaced it with a 2.0 EB since 2013. It's fine as a v6 replacement for people that want something that accelerates decently enough but it isn't "fast". 0-60 is in the slightly under 7.0sec range.

Oh haha, that's what I get for never buying new I suppose.

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The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


None of those are bad choices, I have a '11 MKZ and I love the poo poo out of it. Only issue is that I use the Sync USB instead of the bluetooth for music off my phone, because the Bluetooth is finicky.

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