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Well after forswearing gaming mice I'm getting fed up with quick spins turning into staring at my feet. All I care about are good tracking at high speeds, comfort, and price; I don't need a dozen reprogrammable macro buttons and I hate visible lights. I'd be perfectly happy with my Logitech M500 except for the skipping. I wish it were a little smaller but it's no biggie. I've found the G9 for $49 but despite the thread title, I'm looking for something cheaper. The Sidewinder X5 is down to about $30 on amazon but I am given to understand it is for people with large hands, i.e. not for me. The G9 coupon expires tonight and I'm not yet convinced it's worth $50. Can anyone recommend it (or something cheaper!) for a small-handed person who really likes to play games? Am I worrying too much about the Sidewinder's size? edit: I'm thinking that the G9 is a great deal, but I don't really know what advantages it has over other $50 gaming mice, like some of the DeathAdder variants. kaschei fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Aug 26, 2010 |
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SteelSeries has a one-day 40% storewide (via dealnews). So, anyone have any experience with the Kinzu? Seems like a good deal at $26 after shipping. I don't know much about their products, though, so I was hoping someone could weigh in on the quality and durability.
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Oct 25, 2010 23:23
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Newegg has a big ol' Holiday Sale. Included is the Logitech G9x for $63.99 - $5.00 with promocode EMCZNZR85 - $30.00 Mail-in Rebate and free shipping, so $28 after rebate.
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Dec 16, 2010 10:13
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Fatal Error posted:Here's another really nerdy tool for those who care, if you're switching to a mouse with different CPI and want to keep your sensitivity in FPS games, or if you want to compare yours to someone else's (or see it in universal terms, 'cm/360'). Also shows Windows' sensitivity multipliers. I think I have aspergers. http://www.notalent.org/sensitivity/sensitivity.htm m_yaw affects the horizontal orientation of the mouse (m_pitch is the vertical orientation). I don't think it has any direct interpretation but it acts as a multiplier for sensitivity, so your effective sens will be doubled if you double it or halved if you halve it. Unless your game of choice has a minimum sensitivity setting just change sens instead. Some people like to have a lower m_pitch than m_yaw for "greater control" on the vertical, because they feel that it makes it easier to get headshots. I do not recommend this.
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Dec 20, 2010 15:27
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feld posted:I disagree. I'm on my second copperhead and I've played a ton of games/fps etc in it. I've never had this issue. Perhaps it's only certain mice and surfaces? I'm using a Funcpad 1030.... Certainly the first few waves of laser mice were gimmicks with much lower max tracking speeds than the best IR mice available then. According to the only actual experiments I know of, that's no longer the case; the MX518 gets up to 4m/s with the 500Hz patch on a good pad, while the G9x gets up to 6m/s (albeit on a super expensive glass pad in that test). As a rule of thumb I'd say 2m/s is good enough for almost everyone, unless you are playing Quake with a low sensitivity. On particular surfaces anything goes, although the newer lasers are better at glossy surfaces than IR mice ever will be. If a mouse works well with your particular surface you may be unable to cause it to mistrack, particularly on a small mousepad. If this is the case the mouse is as good as you will ever need (but don't worry it will break within three months warranty expiration and you will have to get used to something new). edit: I found another source: ESReality measured the Copperhead specifically to have a max control speed of 0.83m/s, while IR mice eclipsed 3.5m/s, and (in 2007) found that none of the laser mice performed as well as the infrared mice. The best laser mice were in a group just ahead of the infrared mice at 125Hz (from G5 through Habu are laser mice; above that all are infrared). I guess a lot of people heard about these results and stuck with their MX500/IntelliMouse, and you too should stick with whatever works. However a good laser mouse can currently give as good a performance as an infrared mouse nowadays, and you should pay more attention to feel and price. kaschei fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Dec 30, 2010 |
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Dec 30, 2010 03:15
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I'm looking for a new gaming mouse. Is the Logitech Corded Mouse M500 good? Are the extra buttons programmable or fixed as forward/back buttons? It's the only corded mouse with 4 buttons that I can find in stores, everything else either has fewer buttons or is cordless.
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Jan 10, 2011 00:30
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Linux Nazi posted:The G9x has a switch for that as well, it's just on the underside of the mouse. Yeah, I and therefore almost completely useless. I had a non-gaming mouse that had the switch on top (I can't actually remember its model) and I really loved going from freewheel while browsing to clickwheel while playing games. But in some games if you don't use the wheel often the first time you remember to change the function is when you accidentally change weapons or something, because the freewheel rolled a little when you just moved the mouse. On the G9x that takes two hands, or at least for you to flip the mouse over, lay it down, and flip it back (or have much, much longer thumbs than I have, in which case the mouse is probably too small). If I remember correctly the G9x has a different sensor than the G500 that is prone to negative acceleration. I used to care about that but I can't even notice it so I don't let it bother me.
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Xovaan posted:Any ideas? I was thinking either the g9x, Xai Laser, or DeathAdder. Any others I should be looking at? I have a G9x. I have tiny hands and it's almost perfect for me. I'm afraid that your spindle fingers may not be comfortable unless you use a fingertip grip. I'm not aware of any grip peeling issues but it has two grips and I've only used each for about three months (liked rough at first and now smooth, I must be fickle).
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Jun 22, 2011 19:16
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Verviticus posted:Goo: Why is the M500 such an amazing mouse that nobody ever talks about and what's the grip on it called? tl;dr slap a decent tracking implement in the thing and I would probably use no other mouse.
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Sep 1, 2011 07:53
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Look up on this very page Epileptic! Scionix is talking about the Naos. edit: of COURSE I say this and then snipe a new page. Look at the last page Epileptic. Go.
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I really doubt you could change it in real terms at 1Hz frequencies to begin with. In Linux usbhid at least you specify the number of milliseconds between polling, and for some reason I think only powers of 2 are allowed, so you get the exact same possible frequencies (1ms each is 1000Hz, 8ms between polling is 125Hz).
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My G9x is starting to flake on me (I think the cable is loose). Since there doesn't seem to be any chance of a direct replacement I'm having trouble choosing. I slightly prefer optical mice and I have small hands/claw grip and require 5 buttons but don't use more than that. I was looking at either the G500s (because I love the scroll wheel) or the Zowie FK. I read some reviews about the Zowie that make it sound like the scroll wheel is excessively chunky -- I consider the G9x wheel to be perfect in that it is clicky and easy to always flick one time when you want to, or to give a more substantial turn when you want that instead. I had a M500 with the dual mode and loved it, the G9x has the switch on the bottom which is much less useful but still nice to have. Other than the scroll wheel, the zowie FK seems to be half a cm smaller in every dimension and optical. I'm a little unsure about the coating on the FK. So has anyone used an FK for a long time? Does the scroll wheel become smoother over time (one review mentioned it did over the course of the review), does the coating hold up? Reviews are nice and all but a mouse holding up a year later is more what I'm after. Is there another, smaller mouse with good quality and 5 buttons?
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I don't like leaving it in freespin mode when I play games. With the M500 I could flick it on when on really long webpages or PDFs, with the G9x it was so much a burden to turn the mouse over it was off most of the time I'd have wanted it on. I was hesitant to look at Razer stuff because of old bias but I discovered that the Taipan is just about the same size as the FK. I don't know much about Zowie and I figure Razer may have changed in the 10 years or so since I looked seriously at non-logitech mice. I hear their software sucks, is there anything else I should know?
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Dec 13, 2013 23:40
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I bought a func1030 hard mousepad a long, long time ago, and consider it a waste of money. It was hard to keep clean and rather small. I now have an enormous steelseries mousepad and it has enough room for my mouse and my cat. I think the cat appreciates it more than I do. I now prefer cloth pads for the times my wrist is resting on the desk and I still use the giant pad because I don't see any reason to replace it. I would not pay extra for this much room if I needed a new mousepad in the future. At the time I was trying to play Quake Live with a sensitivity less than 1 and it seemed like a good idea. I actually used a bigger mousepad for about 3 years in between. It tracks fine with a laser mouse, but it's not perfectly flat and the surface seemed to punish the old tiny skates mice used to have. Easy to clean though! And space for all manner of housepet, I reckon. My recommendation is to buy a black cloth mousepad that's big enough for whatever you want it for. edit: actually, unless you don't like something about what you're used to, buy whatever you're used to. It's entirely up to your comfort and preference. kaschei fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Dec 17, 2013 |
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Dec 17, 2013 22:20
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Can you describe what you mean by "sideways shaped"?
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Dec 19, 2013 20:56
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Duct Tape posted:Anyone have any thoughts on buying a refurbished G9X from eBay for around $40? Here and here Unfortunately the wheel is noticeably harder to turn and much harder to spin quickly, and I miss the freewheel on those rare times I thought to use it. I'm only recommending it because the form factor is close enough for me and I thought I was picky about these things (before I read the reviews on certain incredibly picky websites).
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Jan 6, 2014 04:01
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The corsair M60/M65 have an aluminum shell, I hear.
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Cathair posted:Seems like a good time to ask, then: why is an optical sensor better than a laser? Certain surfaces are better with one or the other (I think generally laser is capable of working on glass? but has some specific bad interactions). Other than that, optical sensors tend to have higher maximum track rates.
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Jan 27, 2014 22:28
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The track rate thing is different from DPI; I mean the fastest you can move the mouse and still get good results. I don't remember the numbers but my G9x (a laser mouse) if I moved my hand fast enough would basically stop responding (wiggle back and forth horizontally) while with my current optical mouse I can't reproduce that behavior. I believe it's generally true of laser mice although I really don't understand why.
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My M40 scroll wheel has broken in a little but I still miss logitech scroll wheel for great fluidity at just enough resistance to never accidentally cause a tick. If the M65 is the same your textbook is my "seriously chunky." What I'm saying is I want an optical G9x with a top-mounted freewheel toggle.
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Ruin Completely posted:I am kinda looking at new mice, can't decide what I want. I have big hands and do lots of face shooting, my sensitivity is really low and my mouse will be getting thrown around a colossal sized mouse pad. Something bigger and a bit heavier would be good, and I'd like to not spend more than $50. The ones I'm looking between: You should really decide if you want optical (rival, m40, recon) or laser (sensei, havoc) and go from there. Laser mice tend to do worse under low sens/high movement rate conditions due to lower max perfect tracking speed.
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Aren't fine DPI adjustments a bad idea anyway? My understanding is that a given sensor has a few "native" resolutions and the way that in-between resolutions are achieved is by ignoring some percentage of counts. So when you set your 1600dpi sensor to "1400dpi" it just ignores an eighth of the counts, meaning that there is some distance that you move where it counts two changes but only transmits one of them.
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Mar 31, 2014 20:52
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The Lord Bude posted:If this is true then I'd love to know what the 'native' resolutions are in the 602 so I can stick to them. That guy claims his "information comes directly from CPate who works for Logitech" but I can't find anything straight from the source.
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Ynglaur posted:I didn't know that about incremental DPI resolutions. Does anyone have the same information for the G700? (Not the G700s, though enough people on this thread have the latter and might care about that too.) The G700s is said to use a S9808 sensor. Assuming that this has the same relevant specs as the 9800 it has steps of 50cpi. I'm guessing that this (very fine CPI adjustment) is one of the hidden advantages of laser mice, but maybe there's just something else I don't know going on, and there's clearly something weird going on given the 22.5 step size claim versus the granularity of the microcontroller settings in the G700. It probably only came to my attention because the mouse I'm using only has two native resolutions (1800 and 3600). But lots of high-end mice use the same sensor, and some people are used to 800/1600/3200 and think that if the manufacturer's software lets them change the dpi to those values it will be just like old times. It's worth also mentioning that exactly halving the native CPI produces no real side-effects so ultra low resolution players can use 900 (or even 450) CPI if they prefer. When you halve CPI, whether natively or by ignoring every other count, you get the same kinds of behavior.
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fookolt posted:http://www.polygon.com/2014/4/8/5593420/logitechs-g502-proteus-core-tunable-gaming-mouse-12000-dpi everythingWasBees posted:And I just got the g602. I think the physical limit (assuming "optical" means "visible light") about 60,000dpi native, and 12,000dpi is probably not a resolution it actually operates at natively (see this explanation by a Logitech designer of subdivisions of the sensor matrix, among other things). I'm not going to go out and spend $80 just for the pleasure of using this mouse but I will definitely look at it if my M40 breaks anytime soon, assuming that the shape and size are comparable to the G9x. Linux Nazi posted:Ugh, not going to be able to resist pre-ordering that new Logitech. This loving company... quote:set for release this month in Europe and North America for $79.99.
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lethial posted:Oh gawd, that G502 looks great. Goo, compared to g9x, g700s, and g602, can you tell me if the mouse is longer or shorter please? The G502 is 131x75x41, so it's about as long as the G700s, about as tall as the G9x, and thinner (just) than any of these. Also these numbers don't tell you anything about how it arches or really feels so definitely try a mouse out before you buy it. kaschei fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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Apr 9, 2014 15:47
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ShaneB posted:I'm about 99% sure my SO got me a G502 mouse for a birthday present. Waiting until the weekend for new hardware suuuucks. Also I'm struggling to think of a geekier present than an $80 mouse... http://www.razerzone.com/nabu/notifications
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5436 posted:I had a Logitech G9 until a few weeks ago when I lost it. Whats comparable? I really liked that mouse. I settled on the Corsair M40. It's optical; there exist laser variants M65 and M95 that have the same size but laser sensors and I think the M95 has an aluminium shell, which some people like and some don't. It's a short, fat mouse that fills my small hands nicely the way the G9x did. You can disable the logo LED so all you're left with is the DPI display and the actual sensor. The software hasn't had any hitches for me and you can save profiles for use on other computers, including Linux and so I presume mac, that don't have the software installed. You can also look at the G502 which just came out, although the form factor is nothing like the G9/G9x; it just seems to have a very nice feature set, including freewheel scrolling with a topside toggle (G9x had freewheel toggle on the underside where it was nearly useless for me; I don't know if the G9 has freewheel or if you care).
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Mortimer posted:My g9x is about to kick the bucket (scroll wheel rubber has stretched out due to use rip), the g502 looks great but again, it's $100. Can any 502/g9x owner attest to the similarities or suggest the next best thing? The 602 looks pretty neat and is more in my price range but drat if the 502 doesn't look a million times better. And it's wired. If the reason you liked the G9x was its shape the M40 (and presumably M65/M95, which are laser if you're into that) are probably better than the G502, which is just a slightly shorter (vertically) version of the familiar MX500 shape. The 502 has the best overall features of any mouse right now. It's up to you whether you like the feel of it, and to decide if those features are worth the price.
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kiwid posted:So, I RMA'd my G502 with Logitech and they replaced the mouse with a non-broken one. However, they provided no instruction as to what to do with the current mouse I have. Anyone dealt with Logitech warranty support before? You scored a free broken (semi-functional?) mouse dude. Logitech is seriously the best.
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Mortimer posted:I thought it looked pretty cheesy with the fake carbon fiber body then I realized it wasn't fake It has the exact same sensor as the M65, nearly the same height and length, but is much narrower. edit: and the USB cables are silver coated. To ensure that the digital signal is even shinier at the destination than its source! kaschei fucked around with this message at 17:01 on May 29, 2014 |
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It will either be annoying or unnoticeable. If it's noticeable it will be annoying because it's different. And people will convince themselves that they notice it even if it's not a big deal. So really a no-win situation. pick your favorite feature to apply this to, I wrote it thinking of the offset cable but there are so many choices
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I would not call anything by Razer the "Model M" of mice. For that matter I don't think anything by Logitech satisfies that, either. Mice are fiddlier than keyboards, probably for good reasons.
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Police Automaton posted:I doubt these mice are even ps/2 compatible but even if they were they contain everything I already hated about the Lachesis. If that's too ugly look at Microsoft mice, the people I know with the oldest mice are clinging to Intellimice (Intellimouses?). Those aren't ambidextrous but some of their other mice are. Any wired mouse should be able to use the PS/2 converter, I believe, but I also think that PS/2 refresh rates are different in some weird way from USB. I would assume you're going to end up with 8ms latency if you use the converter however good your mouse is. kaschei fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Jun 7, 2014 |
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RandomCheese posted:What's specifically wrong with laser sensors? I thought they were considered the top-tier form of optical mouse but they seem to get a lot of hate here. Meanwhile high DPI is not very useful and can even be a bad thing in games where there's a minimum sensitivity and laser sensors are plagued with acceleration issues and lower maximum tracking speeds. Most laser sensors have noticeable (if you look for it) negative acceleration, where a quick motion over a certain distance actually moves the cursor less than a slow motion over the same distance. And laser mice tend to behave really badly at the edge of the max tracking speed; if you push an optical mouse above its max tracking speed, you usually reach a max cursor speed and plateau, while with laser mice I've experienced things like move 2.5m/s gives normal (bad negative accel but otherwise fine) cursor motion, moving 2.6m/s means my cursor starts wiggling back and forth around a point (I'm guessing at the speeds but I could reliably get this trying to do 180s and 360s with low sens).
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My G9x was fine with dirt but hair rolling under the sensor made it freak out.
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Police Automaton posted:I'm probably the first person who downgraded from expensive razer mice to this.
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G502, G600, G700s all have tilt wheel. I think that's it out of their current gaming line.
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Lolcano Eruption posted:Logitech just annouced the G400s successor, the G402. I hope it has an optical sensor and not a laser. The product page doesn't make it clear what kind it has. Does anyone have an idea? the product page posted:Hyperion Fury combines an optical sensor featuring Logitech Delta Zero technology with our exclusive Fusion Engine™ hybrid sensor The "hybrid sensor" seems to be referring to a gyrometer sensor. I'm wondering if gyrometers are accurate enough for this to really work as a replacement...? Do they work well at high speeds but not low speeds? If they're accurate why don't we just use those instead of worrying about mousepads (it is a mousepad maker conspiracy, isn't it?) Don Lapre posted:Nobody actually uses scrollwheel tilt do they? kaschei fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jul 30, 2014 |
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The gyrometer only kicks in (as affecting your cursor movement) when you are moving the mouse really fast. It is entirely optical except for those times it thinks the optical sensor won't be able to keep up, if I understand correctly.
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