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Who Killed WCW?
Eric Bischoff
Hulk Hogan
Vince Russo
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ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument



Tato posted:

I don't really trust much of anything Hogan or Bischoff say or the reasons for things going the way they did. The rest of that PPV was also god awful with guys like Nash refusing to show up and job. Just a terrible PPV for what was supposed to be WCW guys finally getting some victories.

That said....Sting really did look like poo poo that night.

It's because Hogan and Nash are not...generous people. At all. Hogan and Bret, most natural feud in the world. Hogan squashed it. Because he's an rear end.

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Fargin Icehole
Feb 18, 2011

Pet me.


Didn't Bret end up "joining nWo" and cutting lovely promos, sometime around WCWs decline? I think this was after he got kicked in the head by goldberg?

Ganso Bomb
Oct 24, 2005

turn it all around


Fargin Icehole posted:

Didn't Bret end up "joining nWo" and cutting lovely promos, sometime around WCWs decline? I think this was after he got kicked in the head by goldberg?

You can replace "Bret" with almost anyone, but yes I think he was in nWo 2000 with Jarrett?

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



Ganso Bomb posted:

You can replace "Bret" with almost anyone, but yes I think he was in nWo 2000 with Jarrett?

It was a bit more complicated. Bret would team with Hogan and stuff, but would deny being a member, and I think there was a fake face turn?

Bret in WCW was largely a disaster, the only saving grace being a great match with a person most wrestling fans don't even want to acknowledge.

El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Sep 25, 2020

Super Dan
Jan 26, 2006



El Gallinero Gros posted:

It was a bit more complicated. Bret would team with Hogan and stuff, but would deny being a member, and I think there was a fake face turn?

Yes, but then later when Russo rebooted the nWo with Jarret, I think Hart officially joined.

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007



El Gallinero Gros posted:

It was a bit more complicated. Bret would team with Hogan and stuff, but would deny being a member, and I think there was a fake face turn?

Bret in WCW was largely a disaster, the only saving grace being a great match with a person most wrestling fans don't even want to acknowledge.

Bret countering the spear with a Steel plate after cutting a great promo in Toronto was amazing but sure as hell as everything else that had the potential to be good in WCW at that point in time WCW of course ruined it

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 10, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick



Nap Ghost

Super Dan posted:

Yes, but then later when Russo rebooted the nWo with Jarret, I think Hart officially joined.

yeah he was in there for like 3 weeks, he recreated the nWo on December 20th 1999, a day after Goldberg concussed him and retired on January 10th 2000 leading to everyone's favorite PPV debacle



one of everyone's favorite PPV debacles at least

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Bret in WCW was largely a disaster, the only saving grace being a great match with a person most wrestling fans don't even want to acknowledge.

Who are you to refuse to acknowledge El Dandy?

Breitbart Is Rightbart
Sep 12, 2013


Bret was a member of NWO Hollywood for a short period. Commentary would point out that Bret was playing his own game because he wasn't wearing NWO colours but was recruiting for them. Then there was a bit on Nitro where Bret called out the rumours that he wasn't a member of NWO Hollywood and revealed that he had Hogan's back and put on a black and white shirt.

Bret was also on the Hollywood team for Halloween Havoc but I think there might have been some kind of feud between him and Hogan at this point because Hogan had Stevie Ray KO every other person in that match.

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.



Amusingly Hogan did the exact same "I wasn't eliminated" ending during the battle royal where Randy Savage won his first world title. As I recall he may or may not have changed that one mid-match from Savage winning cleanly to what it turned into

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.




Grimey Drawer

DeathChicken posted:

Amusingly Hogan did the exact same "I wasn't eliminated" ending during the battle royal where Randy Savage won his first world title. As I recall he may or may not have changed that one mid-match from Savage winning cleanly to what it turned into

Yeah from what I heard he called an audible.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

Super Dan posted:

If they wanted to do Montreal, I don't know why they didn't just go all-in on it. Have Hogan put the Scorpion Deathlock on Sting, then have the ref and/or Bischoff declare that Sting tapped out, only to have Bret re-start the match.

I would honestly pay a small amount of money just to see Hogan not only attempt a Scorpion Deathlock but fully lock it and and squat down with it with whatever decayed mess his knees have to be in 2020

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

DeathChicken posted:

Amusingly Hogan did the exact same "I wasn't eliminated" ending during the battle royal where Randy Savage won his first world title. As I recall he may or may not have changed that one mid-match from Savage winning cleanly to what it turned into

Maxwell Lord posted:

Yeah from what I heard he called an audible.

This is exactly what happened. Hogan was originally supposed to be distracted and dumped out from behind clean. Halfway through the match he demanded a gently caress finish which is him getting dragged under the ropes with none of the ten referees or six commentators acknowledging it. It's made worse by the fact that Savage doesn't get to celebrate at all while Hogan spends ten minutes bitching about whether or not he was screwed and how it was still HIS belt.

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument



You sort of get the feeling that maybe Bischoff shouldn't have folded like a beach chair to ALL of Hogan's demands. Like add some provisions to what 'creative control' entails. Or maybe try to enforce the ones already in place.

disaster pastor
May 1, 2007




Grimey Drawer

SatoshiMiwa posted:

Bret countering the spear with a Steel plate after cutting a great promo in Toronto was amazing but sure as hell as everything else that had the potential to be good in WCW at that point in time WCW of course ruined it

Considering that Owen died a few weeks after, I don't think we can lay the blame completely at WCW's door here.

Hedgehog Pie
May 19, 2012

Total fuckin' silence.

I just want to ask everyone here... DID I GO UNDER THE BOTTOM ROPE OR NOT??

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Hedgehog Pie posted:

I just want to ask everyone here... DID I GO UNDER THE BOTTOM ROPE OR NOT??

*pantomimes going under the bottom rope at least a dozen times*

Smoking Crow
Feb 13, 2012

*laughs at u*


Super Dan posted:

If they wanted to do Montreal, I don't know why they didn't just go all-in on it. Have Hogan put the Scorpion Deathlock on Sting, then have the ref and/or Bischoff declare that Sting tapped out, only to have Bret re-start the match.

i would guess because hogan wanted there to be a visual of the 3 count so you know he won in some fashion

just putting on a hold doesnt prove anything unless there's a tap

TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

There are no men like me. There's only me.





Just my own personal take but you can read any Hogan action with the idea that he probably thought he'd be on top in any company as world champ until they buried him with the belt. The top guy can't just be losing matches, brother.

Better Than You
Apr 23, 2010



I still vividly remember the Nitro in Rosemont, IL where Hogan walked out to a loud chorus of boos as a face. Gene excused the crowd's response as being in "shock" because he walked out wearing all black. This was one week after Sullivan shaved his moustache in the middle of the ring.

The boos were so loud that they had to pipe in the crowd noise they used on WCW Saturday Night. It was hilarious.

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MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


TheKingslayer posted:

Just my own personal take but you can read any Hogan action with the idea that he probably thought he'd be on top in any company as world champ until they buried him with the belt. The top guy can't just be losing matches, brother.

Was literally Bischoff's opinion, he wasn't worried when the WWF pulled ahead because whoever had Hogan would win in the long run.

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