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jeffersonlives posted:Then when he came back to feud with Hall and Scott Steiner during the nWo Black and White period, they were in the "real names so we're shooting" era so they billed him as Ray Traylor. Yeah, I forgot he went back to his real name before returning to the WWF.
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John Cena posted:People who live/lived in the NYC region, do any of you remember some WCW show being on CBS on friday afternoons? It wasn't WCW Pro. I cannot remember for the life of me what show it was. Around what year? You're right that it can't be Pro because Pro and then Worldwide were on Saturdays, but no other WCW show is coming to mind as having aired on CBS.
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Rad R. posted:- commentary; and I know this is an unpopular opinion, but JR and the King were not better than Schiavone, Tenay and Heenan. Dude, Heenan. And Tenay, the professor, actually teaching me, a kid watching wrestling, about different moves and different styles. Heenan was pretty bad in WCW, and who could blame him? Schiavone was hit-or-miss, Tenay was fine. However, half of each Nitro was called by Zbyszko, and Larry was loving awful.
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Memento posted:He was high on PCP and running naked through Brisbane casino during the last time WCW came here to tour. The attacking cops thing might or might not be true, but he definitely got arrested and he's definitely not allowed in Australia any more. We have enough convicts here as it is The "attacking cops" was him resisting arrest in his drug-induced panic. It's worth noting that he wasn't convicted, on the grounds that he was unaware that whatever he was given the night before (either a cigarette or a joint, I think?) had been soaked in PCP. I believe he did have to pay the cops' medical bills, though.
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laz0rbeak posted:the dude could make it look like he was really hurting guys ...generally because he was really hurting guys. Also, when Meng was bad and/or lazy, the matches were awful, and he was lazy pretty often. Whatever, I like him anyway.
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Benne posted:Yeah, apparently Benoit said he would quit on the spot if Sullivan got the book again. They gave Sullivan the book anyway, but gave Benoit the title hoping he would change his mind. That worked as well as you'd expect. IIRC, there was an agreement where Sullivan would only be responsible for Saturday Night and Worldwide, and the Radicalz + Konnan/Douglas wouldn't have to work his shows, which everyone was cool with. Then Bill Busch sent everyone except Benoit home before Nitro, effectively killing that deal, and when Benoit found out, he told them he wasn't staying but would drop the belt before he left (and we know what they said in response).
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Skinty McEdger posted:Bret gets a bad rap for his promos in WWF. Like theres no denying originally he was terrible and it took forever to find his rhythm, but in 97 everything just clicked for him and he became legitimately a great promo. I still wouldn't say he was great. He had great promos with others, but he always sounded awkward to some degree on his own.
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Platypus Farm posted:He was a member of a stable named the Hillbillies, which also included Hillbilly Jim, Cousin Junior, and Cousin Luke. I was not aware that of the four, only Hillbilly Jim is still alive. It's not really surprising, it's just something I didn't know.
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In five years, Hogan will be talking about how he put Goldberg over in front of the biggest crowd the Georgia Dome ever saw in the last event before they imploded it.
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Just wanted to point out that this thread has been around for longer now than WCW had been dead when the thread was started.
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I'm not sure anybody appreciated Rude's atomic drop sells more than Sting. He always looks so pleased, or even delighted sometimes.
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May 30, 2020 19:15
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why did somebody slit Kimberly's throat for this keychain why is she bleeding green
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May 31, 2020 17:29
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Sandman McMahon posted:WCW was Ninja Turtles, TNA was Ninja Turtles II: Secret of the Ooze, and Impact is Ninja Turtles III. Nah. WCW started as TNMT, gradually became TNMT II as it got staler, then became TMNT III in 1999 and stayed there (I guess 2001 can be that cartoon sequel, which I heard was better than TMNT III?). TNA/Impact is the Michael Bay reboot.
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MassRafTer posted:Realizing that Vince Russo is a year older than Jim Cornette awhile back is one of those things that never stops being weird. To be fair, Jim Cornette turned 50 on his 18th birthday, so the math for "who's older than Cornette?" never really works out.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Does anyone have a good word to say about Hogan? Coz you hear so many bad stories. John Tenta would talk about how much he liked Hogan, and how grateful he was that Hogan pushed to get him into WCW for a few years, in the same breath as he would say "but I have no idea why the hell he did the other things he did."
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Bret countering the spear with a Steel plate after cutting a great promo in Toronto was amazing but sure as hell as everything else that had the potential to be good in WCW at that point in time WCW of course ruined it Considering that Owen died a few weeks after, I don't think we can lay the blame completely at WCW's door here.
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Angry_Ed posted:Like it says a lot that unmasking Rey Mysterio was such a bad idea that even in Mexico where they treat unmasking as a thing you can never take back they were like "well technically it wasn't a real Luchas de apuestas match so yeah you can put the mask back on." I'm not the expert (MRT will probably come in behind me and correct me), but even in Mexico, it's not "a thing you can never take back." They try to keep people from putting on a new mask right away, so that the significance of unmasking isn't undermined, but luchadors remask under new gimmicks semi-frequently. Or look at Silver King. He lost his mask well before WCW, then twenty years later decided "I want to wear my mask again" and just put it back on. After a couple of years, the commission finally told him, "look, if you want to keep the mask, OK, but do something to justify it," and he said, "fine, sometimes I'll call myself 'Silver Kain' instead?" and that seems to have been good enough.
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Angry_Ed posted:Fair enough, I had completely forgotten about Silver King, and as such had created this mental blind spot where I thought it was "permanent". Or thought like in a Sin Cara/Mistico/Hunico situation they just never publically unmasked/remasked. No problem, and no worries (as I said, I'm not the most knowledgeable, either). It feels permanent because it's supposed to feel permanent, that's the whole mystique. And Rey might genuinely have had an easier time getting "approval" to re-mask, I can't say.
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SatoshiMiwa posted:When you read the Observer and stuff from the Torch it's very clearly Brett was willing to drop the title but Shawn was very much at peak levels of being Shawn bullshit and Vince was very much listening to him and HHH (And also being knee deep in his own Bullshit). Wasn't the tipping point, according to everyone, when Vince asked Bret to get a commitment from Bischoff to push everything back until after the December PPV, but Bret couldn't get a hold of Bischoff (legitimately, he was off on a hunting vacation or something), and Shawn/HHH tweaked Vince's paranoia that Bret was lying about not being able to reach Bischoff and Bret and Bischoff were going to screw him?
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Shawn, especially injured 1999 Shawn, following his friends to "who cares about Somas?" WCW and getting to go back to partying with Hall every night? Forget the politicking, he probably would have been dead in 6–12 months.
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Defiance Industries posted:Perhaps the physical injury gave them the opportunity not to address the real reason he was off TV. Yeah, his back was certainly legitimately badly hurt (two crushed discs and a herniated disc, IIRC?). There's a bit in Austin's podcast ages ago where he and Shawn talk about WM14, and how Shawn needed "at least three Vikes and two Somas" just to bring the pain down to an 8/10*. If Michaels had legitimately retired permanently after that, nobody would have said, "hang on, that wasn't bad enough to end your career! Something else is afoot, druggie!" As it turned out, yeah, he healed unbelievably well and was just strung out for the last couple years of his hiatus. But his recovery wasn't really public knowledge until his return match, and so "Shawn showed up to RAW, but he called everyone 'Marty' and for some reason he giggled and drooled when he saw anything green" could easily be smoothed over as "we wanted Shawn for an on-screen role, but for now, he's gone home to continue trying to heal his back." [* this is why I never put much stock in the "Taker had to threaten HBK to put Austin over at WM14" rumor. Shawn was hurt and he knew it, and he had to know a return from this injury was an "if," not a "when." Even if Taker did menacingly tape his fists in HBK's direction in the locker room — which he may well have done, Taker is certainly that kind of rear end in a top hat — I'm not convinced that either a) HBK would have screwed Austin if he hadn't been threatened, or b) HBK-on-pills would have even realized Taker was threatening him, or, for that matter, in the same room as him.]
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MassRafTer posted:I have no problem believing Shawn was mouthing off before the match and Undertaker acted like a tough guy, Shawn was so hosed up that it was the first time Undertaker could have beaten someone in a fight, he was probably very excited. Hmm, this is a good point, Undertaker does like his easy targets...
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:Why did Rick Rude and Brian Adams walk after Montreal? Why were they in particular so pissed off with the screwjob that they jumped to WCW with Anvil and Bulldog? Adams I've never heard anything other than "it was a contributing factor to him wanting to jump to WCW when he could." Rude was friendly enough with Bret that he wasn't just pissed that it happened, he was genuinely pissed that it happened to Bret. Which is why he not only left ASAP, he looked for a way to do so that he thought would hurt the WWF: waiting a week to go, so that he could appear on a taped Raw with his beard and then shave it off for the live Nitro. I think he was one of the people Bischoff called the night of Survivor Series to be like, "hey, was that legit?" and Rude's response was along the lines of "yeah, it was, and by the way, are you hiring?" EDIT: Alaois posted:iirc Rick Rude just walked because he wasn't actually under contract This is true, too: Rude was on a nightly deal, so he was free to bounce whenever he felt like it.
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stab posted:Wasnt he also in ECW like a month before or something nuts? His nightly deal allowed him to work ECW, so I think he was on ECW's show the weekend before the taped Raw/live Nitro, yes.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I think maybe the confusion arises from Jericho saying in his first book that he could have gotten $300k had he asked for it, and in hindsight regretted not doing so. At the time he thought he was being sensible, before he realised just how much money Bischoff was throwing around and that "WCW" and "sensible" didn't really go hand-in-hand. It's in chapter 10 of Undisputed: quote:The angle continued as I constantly outsmarted Regal with my immense babyface cunning. When a Legends Battle Royal was booked for WrestleMania, featuring such household names as Typhoon, Duke “the Dumpster” Droese, and Doink the Clown, Regal was doing an interview and was interrupted and attacked by Doink, who ended up being me in disguise.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:Thanks! I was almost certain that it was from one of his books but I'm never sure of anything these days. They wanted to use him in an angle starting at WM17 (which was the first HHH/Taker Wrestlemania match) and thought he might be clean enough. He wasn't. Surprise! This was the semi-famous incident where it was HHH himself who went and told Vince, "Shawn's drugged up in your office, we can't use him," and then Michaels cut off contact with HHH for a year. I think Nash told him, once he was sober, "you wouldn't have your poo poo together if he hadn't done that, you need to apologize to him and work things out."
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Edge & Christian posted:MINUS FOUR STARS includes things like Sharmell vs. Survivor Jenna in TNA Which is the source of the MINUS FIVE STARS clip made famous by Botchamania, since Bryan gave it the full negative rating while Meltzer somehow found something redeemable in it.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Also, why is Hulk Hogan's name in the Scooby Doo font roak rogan
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NikkolasKing posted:So, according to Bryan's account of the Michaels/Hart blow-up fight backstage, HBK wanted out of his deal with WWF and wanted to go to WCW with his buddies. disaster pastor posted:Forget the politicking, he probably would have been dead in 6–12 months.
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TheKingslayer posted:This is probably the best thread for it, I'm watching a Shotgun Saturday Night match, Brian Christopher vs David Jericho. Is this a petty shot naming a jobber after Chris Jericho or a coincidence? Coincidence. He'd been David Jericho since 1995. Though he became much more famous once he changed his ring name to "Kid Kash."
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^^^ edit: the video below will also answer your questions!TheKingslayer posted:"Hey Wall!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ennj1LGz02c&t=190s disaster pastor fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Jun 9, 2022 |
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Rusty Shackelford posted:For 4550 days, from October 11, 1988 through March 26, 2001, World Championship Wrestling existed through all of its highs and lows. Congratulations, thread. An astonishing number of us who posted on page 1 are still here. SG Bamboo posted:Han Zo Mon all day yup, absolutely
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NikkolasKing posted:So apparently a lot of folks don't like Earl Hebner as a ref? Hebner had a reputation, especially as his career went on, for showboating and upstaging the wrestlers. edit: or what Hoss said
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stab posted:Edit: his annoying personal FB feed has been nothing but him hogging the spotlight at the Toronto AEW tapings and him pleading to make it into the WWE HOF To be fair to him, he wouldn't even be a bottom-five member.
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Sandman McMahon posted:Did anyone ever try sitting down with Hulk Hogan and having A Talk? Maybe about how his actions were hurting the long term stability of the company? Sometimes it helps to have a good heart to heart chat, it can really go a long way. I feel like the only time this might have worked was Bischoff talking him into turning heel for the nWo. And even then, Hogan had already seen how his actions were hurting himself, with reduced merch sales and buyrates.
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MassRafTer posted:When the nWo turn came about Hogan's last WCW PPV was Uncensored 96 (the Doomsday Cage) which did the most buys in WCW history. The writing was on the wall in many ways, but Hogan could easily delude himself into thinking he had a lot of juice left as a face especially with Nash and Hall coming in as potential foils. That's true. I was thinking about the overall trends, how all the PPVs after he arrived in '94 decreased year-over-year in '95, but it's a valid point that he'd just seen SuperBrawl and Uncensored perform strongly with him on top. So maybe Bischoff does deserve more credit.
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Dawgstar posted:You can find videos of Nash talking about it, but apparently in large part it comes down to Hogan's ego. Apparently he and Hall were not fans of Hogan's creative control either because it would mess up their stuff as well (citing that Hogan would shoot things down but never had any replacement ideas) and was all too happy to wash his hands of booking Hogan. Yeah, and IIRC Hogan was very much aware that Nash and Hall were considered younger and cooler, and did not want them to be in a position where they could come off as bigger than him in any way.
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forkboy84 posted:Out in California there are guys like Michael Modest & Donovan Morgan. To the day I die, I don't think I'll forget how hard the Internet thought these two guys were going to make it big. They were good, but their timing was just brutal; they couldn't get into WWF or WCW early on; then as they were essentially peaking, WCW folded, so WWF was never going to have room for them; then they went off to be gaijin midcarders in NOAH and missed out on ROH hitting its stride.
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