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Who Killed WCW?
Eric Bischoff
Hulk Hogan
Vince Russo
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WSAENOTSOCK
Apr 13, 2002


It's been ages since Sting retired, but when Cody did Sting's hands-to-his-mouth WHOOOOOOOOOO before doing a Stinger splash a couple weeks back made me nostalgic as gently caress.

Sting was always my favorite.

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WSAENOTSOCK
Apr 13, 2002


Randaconda posted:

Been watching old Sting matches, and I think Cena, at points, was drat near a tribute act
I agree completely. He also used to do the Stinger splash.

Randaconda posted:

Cena could have added the Stinger Splash to his moveset with no problem
He did! Though never regularly, sadly.

WSAENOTSOCK
Apr 13, 2002


overmind2000 posted:

Bischoff was dumb enough though to book a live Nitro on the fly depending on how bad his ratings brainworms were that week
I doubt this to this day. Sure, it happened, probably, but more often, I bet Bischoff was lazy enough, once the people who booked the show for him quit, he just showed up and said poo poo and then later acted like it was a plan.

WSAENOTSOCK
Apr 13, 2002


I paid several tens of dollars to see Starrcade '98 and Kidman was my favorite wrestler, so as disappointing as the main event was, I felt like my money was well spent.

WSAENOTSOCK
Apr 13, 2002


rujasu posted:

Kidman was fantastic, I loved him in WCW. Good cruiserweight, and the way they had him win the title out of nowhere right after leaving the Flock was brilliant. He worked really well as "generic dude in street clothes who is really good at wrestling" for a while there.

But what Russo tried to do with him and Hogan... well it was Russo in a nutshell is what it was. I don't really think Hogan/Kidman was ever going to be a good match - Kidman didn't have the charisma to match Hogan on the mic, and Hogan surely wasn't going to keep up with Kidman's high-flying cruiserweight style in the ring, but in a different setting, I could imagine a moderately successful program with Kidman as the underdog babyface against an unambiguously-heel Hollywood Hogan (even this is a stretch - I don't think Kidman ever had the presence to be a believable opponent for Hogan, but he was a talented guy who could have maybe had an upper-midcard run). But it definitely had no chance of working with... well, whatever the hell Russo was doing then.
It was enough to get me to believe things would change, but I was impossibly naive. Kidman feuding with Hogan was unthinkable in 1998. Cruiserweights were jokes to heavyweights. We all love that who are you to doubt El Dandy promo, 'cause it was legit hilarious, but it was demonstrative of WCW's caste system. When Kidman called out Hogan, there was a hot minute where it felt like WCW was about to blow all that up and let people ascend.

But, well... yeah.

WSAENOTSOCK
Apr 13, 2002


He went by the nickname of The Dehli Boy and did the nWo audio updates on the nWo's website.

WSAENOTSOCK
Apr 13, 2002


WCW got huge by having the top heels constantly get heat and never get much of a comeuppance, and when they flailed about in their dying days, they just. Kept. Trying that.

They killed every babyface to get heels over at a time when fans were gagging for a babyface.

WSAENOTSOCK
Apr 13, 2002


overmind2000 posted:

Was there ever a Monday night where The Rock and Juvi were using the same catch phrase at the exact same time? That must have happened at least once
Juvi only did the Rock bit for like two weeks, so I doubt it.

WSAENOTSOCK
Apr 13, 2002


Super Dan posted:

I'm pretty sure this happened first.
Correct. This was during Jericho's debut in WWE the fall of '99. Not sure if it was in the unedited version of his Millennium Countdown debut or shortly thereafter.

Juvi's short-lived The Juice gimmick happened later and may have been a response to that moment, but I've never heard either way.

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WSAENOTSOCK
Apr 13, 2002


NikkolasKing posted:

Do you all agree with Bryan and friends that people like Malenko and Kidman, no matter how talented or over they were, just weren't cut out to be main eventers? That even great wrestlers can have a place that is lower on the card?
I think Kidman could've been great as the fourth guy in a main event four-way for the title with maybe a brief feel-good run or two if the fans got behind him as an underdog. He was a poo poo interview, but he never really had too much of a chance to grow in that arena.

At a certain point, though, it did get tiresome that people who never used powerbombs would try to powerbomb him. But he and Rey were my favorite wrestlers until Lance's run there.

WSAENOTSOCK
Apr 13, 2002


Better Than You posted:

I can't remember if it happened under Russo or not but at one point they decided to turn Hall's alcoholism into an angle.
That was almost exactly a year before Russo at the build-up to Halloween Havoc '98. It was fallout from Goldberg's title win, sort of. Hall had been gone during the Wolfpac's split and their babyface run, such as it was, and he returned the night Goldberg won the title on the build-up to Bash at the Beach that year with Rodman and Malone. Goldberg had to beat him before he faced Hollywood in the main event to win the title, and it was a bit of a surprise that he returned with the black and white when he was OG Wolfpac. Hell, it was his name, I'm pretty sure.

Anyway, the natural angle of him feuding with Nash waited three PPVs, and that's when Hall started coming to the ring drunk during the build-up to his match with Nash, and kept yelling things like "WHERE WERE YOU WHEN MY LIFE FELL APART!?" Hall "won" the Halloween Havoc match because Nash beat the poo poo out of him and left him laying in the middle of the ring for what theoretically could've been a decisive, clean win, but having proved his point, he left without pinning Scott.

It was a weird angle, but the build to that show had this fuckin' awesome angle where the Wolfpac hosed up nWo Hollywood's limo and then brawled with them through the show and then Sting beat the gently caress out of Bret Hart.

WSAENOTSOCK
Apr 13, 2002


I often wonder how many of Bischoff's problems could've been caused by his alcohol consumption.

WSAENOTSOCK
Apr 13, 2002


The thing most people don't understand about Hulk is that he isn't a liar. He's like Vince and Trump. He believes those things actually happened.

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WSAENOTSOCK
Apr 13, 2002


Sandman McMahon posted:

Since this thread is supposed to be about The WCW I just wanna throw out that I recently learned there’s a Goldberg/Bret Hart action figure set that specifically recreates the time that stupid idiot Goldberg tried to spear Bret in Canada and got owned like the stupid idiot he is. Hockey jerseys and steel plates are a deadly combination.
That was the best Bret Hart WCW segment and it's not close.

That was supposed to be the start of his big push, and he was gonna' wrestle Kevin Nash on the Tonight Show after quitting WCW in that segment, but then Owen died.

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