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squirrelzipper
Nov 2, 2011



Yeah but everyone is going to drop those ports, so the whole ‘final nail, what bullshit’ hyperbole was more the issue.

Like omg where is my SCSI/Firewire/parallel port you bastards!

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Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002



Grimey Drawer

Ferrule posted:

Thanks everyone!

I got some adapters since I'll need them regardless. Figure I've spent enough at the moment on the machine, not going to bother dumping more for a new Wacom since the other's are fine.

It sucks a little, but it's not bad. Amazon Basics has USB-C to USB-A adapters that work great and are cheaper than the Apple versions. I have 4 of them and a year later I still can find 2 in a pinch.

You're going to realize about a week after you get your laptop that you never used those ports that often after-all - providing you're not using it docked. If you're using it docked and need monitors + keyboards + mice then it sucks a little more.

squirrelzipper posted:

Yeah but everyone is going to drop those ports, so the whole ‘final nail, what bullshit’ hyperbole was more the issue.

Like omg where is my SCSI/Firewire/parallel port you bastards!

Firewire

I still have two Firewire external drives and a Firewire iPod. The drives still work, the iPod, not so much.

Ferrule
Feb 23, 2007

Yo!

Krispy Wafer posted:

It sucks a little, but it's not bad. Amazon Basics has USB-C to USB-A adapters that work great and are cheaper than the Apple versions. I have 4 of them and a year later I still can find 2 in a pinch.

You're going to realize about a week after you get your laptop that you never used those ports that often after-all - providing you're not using it docked. If you're using it docked and need monitors + keyboards + mice then it sucks a little more.


Firewire

I still have two Firewire external drives and a Firewire iPod. The drives still work, the iPod, not so much.

I need a Wacom plugged in at all times. Often an external i pull stuff from. So at least one if not 2 USB slots are always in use. But I did buy some converters/a hub thingy and I'll probably be fine. I was more considering the newer tablet with the bluetooth to avoid converters altogether.

kinnas
Jan 28, 2008
The Case of Martin Heidegger, Philosopher and Nazi Part 2: The Cover-up

Anybody with a more traditional background ever use Wacom tablets with the overhand grip?

like so



I've recently started drawing with pencils using the overhand grip and it's really good, wish I'd learned this sooner. Feels a bit like by giving up the familiar arc of the wrist you also give up certain habitual lines and stylistic shorthands. As if you draw more with intent and will and less of habit. Especially if you have a large drawing surface so you can really move your shoulder.

Trying it with my Cintiq I find my hand's a lot lighter this way as well. I used to have to really adjust the pressure sensitivity in the settings to get a light touch with the writing/tripod grip. However the shape of the stylus is such that you can't really do any of the low angle side of the pencil style techniques. Feels like you'd need a really long custom tip for the stylus for this.

Anyways I'm curious if anybody else has tried this and how did it work out?

Szmitten
Apr 26, 2008


The closest I ever got was lightly holding my finger over the nib and squeezing for pressure. So your hand is gliding over the tablet.

Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana

kinnas posted:

Anybody with a more traditional background ever use Wacom tablets with the overhand grip?

like so



I've recently started drawing with pencils using the overhand grip and it's really good, wish I'd learned this sooner. Feels a bit like by giving up the familiar arc of the wrist you also give up certain habitual lines and stylistic shorthands. As if you draw more with intent and will and less of habit. Especially if you have a large drawing surface so you can really move your shoulder.

Trying it with my Cintiq I find my hand's a lot lighter this way as well. I used to have to really adjust the pressure sensitivity in the settings to get a light touch with the writing/tripod grip. However the shape of the stylus is such that you can't really do any of the low angle side of the pencil style techniques. Feels like you'd need a really long custom tip for the stylus for this.

Anyways I'm curious if anybody else has tried this and how did it work out?

I've tried to do this with the Cintiq stylus with no success. With an Apple pencil it works great.

Hardcordion
Feb 5, 2008

BARK BARK BARK


So I turned on my 22 inch Cintiq a few weeks ago only to find that it's completely borked and not in a way that's easy to fix. According to Wacom support it'll be close to $1000 Canadian to get repaired so I'm in the market for cheaper alternative. Does anyone have any experience with Huion/Ugee/other models of LCD tablets compared to Wacom's? I'm not too picky about the size, in fact the Cintiq was a little too big for the space I have, but I'd rather not use an ipad or other handheld tablet. I'm running a Windows 8 PC if that makes a difference.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


I just finally bit the bullet and purchased actual photoshop cc, it worked good the first day but now the second time using it I'm having issues with it using my tablet monitor. If I'm zoomed in enough on the image that the scroll bar pops up to let me move around it and I draw to draw/erase/etc a line with my stylus, instead it will scroll up and down the image instead. Looking at the toolbar when it happens it isn't switching to the hand tool or anything when I click and if I just tap the stylus quickly instead of dragging it or use it zoomed out all the way so it's fit to screen, it doesn't scroll. Is this a normal problem?? I tried restarting everything and it still happens. Doesn't happen at all in clip studio paint.


Hardcordion posted:

So I turned on my 22 inch Cintiq a few weeks ago only to find that it's completely borked and not in a way that's easy to fix. According to Wacom support it'll be close to $1000 Canadian to get repaired so I'm in the market for cheaper alternative. Does anyone have any experience with Huion/Ugee/other models of LCD tablets compared to Wacom's? I'm not too picky about the size, in fact the Cintiq was a little too big for the space I have, but I'd rather not use an ipad or other handheld tablet. I'm running a Windows 8 PC if that makes a difference.

i have a ugee monitor, for the money it is pretty good(aside from the above issues which I've never had with any other program). I would say the only issues I've had with it are the cursor accuracy goes down noticeably the further away from the center of the screen you are (it hasn't been a very noticeable problem in day to day use, the 22 inch screen helps mitigate that) and my specific unit has a little backlight bleed but I don't think every unit would have that same defect since there is a spot where the frame is a little warped on the bottom so I think it was caused by shipping damage or something. It's been long enough since the last time I used a cintiq that I dunno if my experience with them compares to the current models but for like a third the price of the comparable size cintiq it seems good.

cisneros
Apr 18, 2006


Wowporn posted:

I just finally bit the bullet and purchased actual photoshop cc, it worked good the first day but now the second time using it I'm having issues with it using my tablet monitor. If I'm zoomed in enough on the image that the scroll bar pops up to let me move around it and I draw to draw/erase/etc a line with my stylus, instead it will scroll up and down the image instead. Looking at the toolbar when it happens it isn't switching to the hand tool or anything when I click and if I just tap the stylus quickly instead of dragging it or use it zoomed out all the way so it's fit to screen, it doesn't scroll. Is this a normal problem?? I tried restarting everything and it still happens. Doesn't happen at all in clip studio paint.

this is the fix I think https://twitter.com/jeany545/status/984218019042942976
edit: ah, it's not a cintiq, well, the important part is disabling windows ink, I saw another tweet about disabling it directly but can't find it.

cisneros fucked around with this message at Apr 13, 2018 around 06:14

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


Thanks, I saw a bunch of people on twitter saying it had something to do with a windows update

Monolith.
Jan 28, 2011

To save the world from the expanding Zone.


Technical question for y'all: I recently got Clip Studio Ex for super cheap and while it's quite a lot more than SAI, I'm having an odd issue. SAI will not re-snap my pen's point if I move it off the detectable area off my Huion 610. When I have CSP on, if I move my pen off the tablet too much, it will snap the point to the center of the screen. Is there a way to do it like SAI so I don't have to keep contact with my tablet at all times?

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


ftr i ended up needing to do this command prompt thing to fix the scrolling/panning error, turning off windows ink wasn't enough; just copied and pasted the command prompt from this page
https://www.facebook.com/ursuladora...148176601876188

sinky
Feb 22, 2011



Fallen Rib

They released a new version of Clip Studio yesterday to fix the Win 10 pen scrolling thing. It fixed it for me.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


I only had the issue in Photoshop cc and not clip studio for whatever reason, possibly a wacom specific thing?

Monolith.
Jan 28, 2011

To save the world from the expanding Zone.


Weird, it seems to be working fine now with no changes made. Thanks anyways.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

I feel the pressure,
under more scrutiny
And what I do,
act more stupidly


have you tried restarting your computer

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


while people are paying attention to this thread, what's the most ergonomic kinda chair to use while working at a digital art workstation? I have my tablet monitor mounted on an arm which makes it nice and positionable, but i think the big back part on my regular rear end office computer chair makes it hard for me to get good arm movement. Is there like a good ergonomic stool type thing that would work well? Something with a small/no back piece so it doesn't get in the way of my arm? A couple of the art rooms at my school had those nice rear end steelcase leap drafting stools but I know I won't be able to afford one of those/I'm not sure something that tall would fit well at my computer desk

Listerine
Jan 5, 2005

Exquisite Corpse

Wowporn posted:

while people are paying attention to this thread, what's the most ergonomic kinda chair to use while working at a digital art workstation? I have my tablet monitor mounted on an arm which makes it nice and positionable, but i think the big back part on my regular rear end office computer chair makes it hard for me to get good arm movement. Is there like a good ergonomic stool type thing that would work well? Something with a small/no back piece so it doesn't get in the way of my arm? A couple of the art rooms at my school had those nice rear end steelcase leap drafting stools but I know I won't be able to afford one of those/I'm not sure something that tall would fit well at my computer desk

Steelcase is worth the money, I have the regular Leap chair and it's been fantastic. But they are expensive if you buy new.

Look in your area for vendors of remaindered office furniture- places that buy up the furniture from companies that go under. You may be able to get a deal that way. I got my chair half off the retail price; it was still expensive, but much more in my price range.

My girlfriend got this office chair from Ikea that she likes- the back is narrow, and the arm rests are there, but minimal, so they don't get in the way of my arms but I can use them when I want to.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


Listerine posted:

Steelcase is worth the money, I have the regular Leap chair and it's been fantastic. But they are expensive if you buy new.

Look in your area for vendors of remaindered office furniture- places that buy up the furniture from companies that go under. You may be able to get a deal that way. I got my chair half off the retail price; it was still expensive, but much more in my price range.

My girlfriend got this office chair from Ikea that she likes- the back is narrow, and the arm rests are there, but minimal, so they don't get in the way of my arms but I can use them when I want to.

It's weird I remember the chairs having the steelcase logo on them but looking at pictures online the herman miller aeron drafting stools look way closer to the ones they had so now I'm not so sure. But if the steelcase one is as comfy as my old rear end steelcase 451 I know it would also be good.

They definitely seem like they're worth the price, just really hard to justify when I still don't make much money doing art to justify expensive set up costs. I've seen people recommend that ikea chair for affordable but good option, maybe I'll just go to ikea and sit in it and some others to see if they work how I want them; I really don't like arm rests and wrenched them off of my current chair so if it comes without that option that would be cool. I think I basically just want something that's smaller in every dimension, I'm realizing that the actual seat of my chair sticks out too far which encourages me to slouch really bad, and the back is so wide I can't move my drawing arm like I want. Something like one of these looks like it might match that, although the first one isn't all that cheap if I'm trying to go super budget. The steelcase stool was like $600 online so getting close to half that and it would probably be worth it to spend the extra to look for a used one I guess.

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/50341346/
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/60336839/

Listerine
Jan 5, 2005

Exquisite Corpse

You can probably not attach the arms on the one I posted when you put it together, if you like the chair otherwise.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


went to ikea to sit in stuff and kinda hated all of them, got a steelcase leap drafting stool from an office liquidator for $300. Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan I missed having this little metal ring to put my feet on

Chernabog
Apr 16, 2007



I was updating my cintiq but the installer wouldn't budge after a couple hours so I turned it off. The pad still works but the screen doesn't turn on anymore. Is there anything I can do or will I need to send it in for repair?

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines

For those of you who were looking for a decent cheap/free paint program, Sketchbook Pro is decent, and as of today, is free on all platforms, now and forever!

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013



I could never get pen pressure to work in the Windows Store version for some reason, but it says there's a new version to download, so I'll give it a go!

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses

Sketchbook requires Windows Ink, so if you have that turned off in your Wacom prefs, turn it on just for Sketchbook in per-application preferences.

Chernabog
Apr 16, 2007



Chernabog posted:

I was updating my cintiq but the installer wouldn't budge after a couple hours so I turned it off. The pad still works but the screen doesn't turn on anymore. Is there anything I can do or will I need to send it in for repair?

Quick update in case this happens to anybody else: I contacted Wacom support and it took them several days to send me a tool to fix it but it worked right away.

Mukip
Jan 27, 2011



My Intuous tablet-pen doesn't track small movements, it's really aggravating. I can draw circles within a thumb-sized area forever and nothing appears until I move the pen out of that area. And when i make larger marks on the screen there's a delay until I move the pen a certain distance. Does anybody know what's causing this?

Mukip
Jan 27, 2011



I solved this problem. If anybody else was foolish enough to trust Microsoft like me, then you need to turn off windows ink in the Wacom tablet settings and follow these instructions:
https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comm..._how_to_fix_it/

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

I've got the huion gt220 (original, not the v2), but it seems huion took the drivers down. Anyone got a backup of those for mac/pc?

the_lion fucked around with this message at May 24, 2018 around 03:46

Battle Pigeon
Nov 7, 2011

I am dancing potato
give me millet



My laptop crashed for whatever reason, and since coming back, my Intuos 5 has been completely hosed:

-Settings were gone/reset to default
-Cannot scroll with the pen any more
-Clicking text boxes brings up Windows handwriting window
-Circles when clicking despite turning effects off
-Random one but click/dragging the scroll bar in Spotify is reversed with pen. As in, if you click and drag down as you usually would to scroll the bar down, nothing happens. Scroll up, and it goes down
-Click and drag won't select or highlight, it only highlights once let go, but tapping again deselects everything
-Using pen to click tabs seems to cause slowdown? Can that happen? Firefox is fine using the touchpad, but freezes if pen is used
-Lagging slightly in Photoshop, but maybe that was usual. openCanvas was fine. No zoom/scroll issues like reported over a month ago

I've restarted, reinstalled drivers, etc. but that did nothing so I tried searching around. Most issues cropped up a month ago, and were supposedly solved by an update around then, so that doesn't apply to me now. That was also a slightly different issue (something about scrolling when zoomed?) so not sure it's the same cause as my issues.

I'm reading about how Windows Ink is the issue and disabling it (if possible) might fix the issue, but it also removes pen sensitivity, which I want for drawing programs. I'll keep looking but does anyone have any ideas or know how to fix this?

Edit: After reinstalling drivers, checking for Windows updates (it was updated), restarting, I unchecked "use Windows Ink" in the Wacom settings centre. It appears to be working fine now, though I'm sure that didn't work last night. Pressure sensitivity is still there in Photoshop and openCanvas, zoomed in to test and it works normally

Battle Pigeon fucked around with this message at May 25, 2018 around 16:07

Strotski
Dec 29, 2013



I'm thinking between buying HUION KAMVAS GT-221 Pro vs XP-Pen Artist22E vs Huion GT-191, first having a price tag of almost twice as much as the others.
Currently I'm using Huion H610 Pro, and I've never used monitor tablets so I have no way to compare whether it'll be worth the money, I also have no way of testing it in retail shops before I buy one.

Anyone who used either tablets who can give any sort of advice? Ideally who tried all? Thanks!


Ended up ordering GT-221.

Strotski fucked around with this message at May 25, 2018 around 18:57

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


Anyone else have the issue in procreate where it keeps switching to the eraser for no reason? I don’t think I’m accidentally doing a gesture to do it, and it’ll sometimes switch in the middle of a stroke which is not helpful

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I just pretend to be nice.


Lipstick Apathy

This has been bothering me for a while and it just occurred to me I could just ask some other opinions. How many different brushes do you guys normally use? Because I've got like 300 or something from brush sets, many of which I purchased with genuine money, but when I'm actually drawing seriously, 95% of the time I just fall back on the most basic of all round ones and a couple that are essentially slight variations on the same thing. I love that brush and it's super versatile and it's not like I can't do what I need to do with it, but I can't help but feel like I'm missing out. Do you guys have a way different approach?

Corollary, every now and then I do try to branch out but tend to feel uncomfortable with other stuff, and one of my things is that I still haven't settled on THE RIGHT pressure curve; I tweak it constantly, and some days it feels just right but other days it doesn't at all. Right now in Clip Studio it's like this:

Do you guys change yours a lot, or have something really different? The main thing I find is if I'm trying to do lineart (which used to be my staple but definitely isn't now) I need a different one than when I'm painting. I definitely ran into the same issue on iPad though and my old tablet so I know it's not just faulty tablet drivers or something. I'm doing a reinstall of my computer in a few weeks (for unrelated reasons) so I figure I'll start settings from the ground up to see if I can get more comfortable but I figure it wouldn't hurt to ask. Also I illustrate professionally (albeit sometimes maybe I shouldn't be) so I'm pretty sure it's not that I'm just like, crap, or something.


somewhat relatedly, what internet places do you guys go to for art discussions these days? much as I love our fair SA, the art talks are not as alive here as they once were so I feel like I miss a lot of stuff

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

Koramei posted:

Pen pressure curve chat

I find that my hands shift behavior every drawing session, sometimes about once an hour or so while drawing. I just re-calibrate it every time I start and then re-calibrate it every hour or so into working when I start to notice things are going awry.

Basically, your entire upper body posture and fatigue level affects pen pressure. You're better off using the "Use Multiple Strokes" or whatever calibration option and doing a repetitive process to re-calibrate it (I usually do the same number of circles and lines).

Claes Oldenburger
Apr 23, 2010

Metal magician!


On this note, does anyone have a good source of brushes or brush settings from procreate? Need to get away from these basic ones and was wondering if all y'all have some good suggestions.

gmc9987
Jul 25, 2007


Koramei posted:

This has been bothering me for a while and it just occurred to me I could just ask some other opinions. How many different brushes do you guys normally use? Because I've got like 300 or something from brush sets, many of which I purchased with genuine money, but when I'm actually drawing seriously, 95% of the time I just fall back on the most basic of all round ones and a couple that are essentially slight variations on the same thing. I love that brush and it's super versatile and it's not like I can't do what I need to do with it, but I can't help but feel like I'm missing out. Do you guys have a way different approach?

Corollary, every now and then I do try to branch out but tend to feel uncomfortable with other stuff, and one of my things is that I still haven't settled on THE RIGHT pressure curve; I tweak it constantly, and some days it feels just right but other days it doesn't at all. Right now in Clip Studio it's like this:

Do you guys change yours a lot, or have something really different? The main thing I find is if I'm trying to do lineart (which used to be my staple but definitely isn't now) I need a different one than when I'm painting. I definitely ran into the same issue on iPad though and my old tablet so I know it's not just faulty tablet drivers or something. I'm doing a reinstall of my computer in a few weeks (for unrelated reasons) so I figure I'll start settings from the ground up to see if I can get more comfortable but I figure it wouldn't hurt to ask. Also I illustrate professionally (albeit sometimes maybe I shouldn't be) so I'm pretty sure it's not that I'm just like, crap, or something.


somewhat relatedly, what internet places do you guys go to for art discussions these days? much as I love our fair SA, the art talks are not as alive here as they once were so I feel like I miss a lot of stuff

Can't go wrong with a hard round. For painting and coloring, I pretty much exclusively use a hard round an mess with opacity to layer. Linework, though, I tend to branch out a lot more. My favorite right now is an ink brush I downloaded from some free photoshop brush site a long time ago, it splotches and bleeds a bit like a real pen on softer paper and I like the random imperfections it adds to my linework. I've also been experimenting a lot with Kyle's brushes lately, some long-term contract work I'm doing has needs of lots of tiny marker or watercolor images and using those brushes has made my job a lot easier.

mastodon.art seems like a pretty cool place to chat art.

CaptainCrunch
Mar 19, 2006
droppin Hamiltons!

Claes Oldenburger posted:

On this note, does anyone have a good source of brushes or brush settings from procreate? Need to get away from these basic ones and was wondering if all y'all have some good suggestions.

I've been enjoying http://daub-brushes.com

Just wish Procreate would import an entire folder of brushes instead of one at a time...

bitmap
Aug 8, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 4118 days!


Fun Shoe

cant help but notice that apple did not announce the new ipad pro I've been dreaming about with the single loving port which would allow us to use it as an additional screen, surgically removing the cancer that is wacom products from everyones lives, forever. oh well.

Themage
Jul 21, 2010


never happening lol

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GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002

magic persists
without us
no matter what
we do
against it


Soiled Meat

For those who are updating your mac to Mojave today:

https://twitter.com/wacom/status/1044255288222797824

also if you are running Clip Studio 1.8.2 is out to update some things with Mojave as well.

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