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lofi
Apr 2, 2018






Mine arrives tomorrow!

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que sera sera
Aug 4, 2006



Claes Oldenburger
Apr 23, 2010

Metal magician!


So for a while I tried Duet and it totally messed up my computer. I've just been using procreate with the pencil and have really enjoyed it (with paperlike, a necessity imo), but a few days ago I found EasyCanvas (http://www.easynlight.com/en/easycanvas/) and it actually seems pretty good.

I'd be curious if anyone else has impressions of it or experience. It is WAY better than Duet and probably functions closer to Astropad? I have never tried Astropad however.

Re: Case chat, I have a Moshi Origami case that I really like and can set up in a few different ways.

Cephas
May 11, 2009

Shape Shift With Me


I really liked how my matte screen protector felt to draw on, but it ate through my apple pencil nib within the span of 2 months. That plus the color/clarity distortion made me decide to take it off.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


At some point I stopped putting screen protectors on any device I own and my life has improved dramatically since, but I also seem to be the only person who likes drawing on the smooth glass iPad screen

CaptainCrunch
Mar 19, 2006
droppin Hamiltons!

I like the the glass as well, the stylus just glides. I do use one of those drawing gloves tho, the ones that just cover the last 2 fingers. It helps.

lofi
Apr 2, 2018






I got a screen protector for my cintiq. I ordered the SUPER TOUGH NEO GLASS GORILLA BULLETPROOF RA and it is SUPER GLOSSY and I hate it. I'm torn between getting another in matte and just doing without.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


Yeah I have to wear the smudge glove all the time, even on the iPad that has better palm rejection than most drawing tablets with touch input cause even then it's still not perfect and also skin does not glide smoothly on glass

Old Boot
May 9, 2012





Buglord

So, I'm a hobbyist these days with a deep disdain for Wacom's lovely gatekeeping re: the Cintiq, am not super impressed by the ONE given its limitations, and am not really into the idea of dropping $700+ for a low-end Cintiq (w/ stand) when there could be something better out there.

I've heard a lot of talk about iPad, but I don't really know that I want to pay that much for what would effectively be a drawing tablet. Yes, it'd be nice to use at work, but at work, I'm mostly using traditional media anyway, so it's not a niche that needs filling, save maybe to save on space in my work bag. Given the price of an iPad, is ProCreate worth it?

Huion is the one that keeps floating to the surface, and I've been eyeballing the 16 Pro for a while now. I saw the earlier review of the 13, and something mentioned about the tilt pen? Anyone feel like filling me in on the current Cintiq alternatives and their pros/cons, or linking posts in this here thread that I can pick through?

EDIT: To be more precise with what I'm looking for--

Though I'm a hobbyist, I still like to sketch/shade/color in my spare time, and have been doing it a lot more these days. I'm mostly looking ahead to the model that I'll eventually want to purchase rather than going the baby steps route, so-- larger screen, fully featured, etc. Or would baby steps be more worthwhile here, in spite of that ultimately costing way more money?

I've primarily used Wacom's Intuos line for going on a decade now, and while my recent Pro has been serviceable, it's five years old, and I just-- really want a display tablet already.

Old Boot fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Apr 30, 2020

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

Old Boot posted:

So, I'm a hobbyist these days with a deep disdain for Wacom's lovely gatekeeping re: the Cintiq, am not super impressed by the ONE given its limitations, and am not really into the idea of dropping $700+ for a low-end Cintiq (w/ stand) when there could be something better out there.

I've heard a lot of talk about iPad, but I don't really know that I want to pay that much for what would effectively be a drawing tablet. Yes, it'd be nice to use at work, but at work, I'm mostly using traditional media anyway, so it's not a niche that needs filling, save maybe to save on space in my work bag. Given the price of an iPad, is ProCreate worth it?

Huion is the one that keeps floating to the surface, and I've been eyeballing the 16 Pro for a while now. I saw the earlier review of the 13, and something mentioned about the tilt pen? Anyone feel like filling me in on the current Cintiq alternatives and their pros/cons, or linking posts in this here thread that I can pick through?

EDIT: To be more precise with what I'm looking for--

Though I'm a hobbyist, I still like to sketch/shade/color in my spare time, and have been doing it a lot more these days. I'm mostly looking ahead to the model that I'll eventually want to purchase rather than going the baby steps route, so-- larger screen, fully featured, etc. Or would baby steps be more worthwhile here, in spite of that ultimately costing way more money?

I've primarily used Wacom's Intuos line for going on a decade now, and while my recent Pro has been serviceable, it's five years old, and I just-- really want a display tablet already.

I've had my Huion for 2-4 years now, pretty happy with it given how much I paid for it. I'd check out one of those tech reviewers like Brad Colbow on YouTube and Amazon for up to date model reviews (they don't sell mine anymore). Mostly, the difference is when you draw a slow diagonal line with any of these non Wacom monitors is that you'll get line wiggle. I haven't noticed it at all on mine. Using OSX and windows 10 if that matters to you.

There's a heap of brands now, Huion and XP-pen are just two of them. iPads are great though, I wish that's been an option and had more software support (eg ZBrush) for my usage.

lofi
Apr 2, 2018






I went through alllll this a month back, ended up getting a second-hand cintiq, and I'm really glad I did - I absolutely love the thing, and the money didn't go to wacom (because I fully agree their practices are bullshit).

Old Boot
May 9, 2012





Buglord

^^^ Where did you find one second hand?

the_lion posted:

I've had my Huion for 2-4 years now, pretty happy with it given how much I paid for it. I'd check out one of those tech reviewers like Brad Colbow on YouTube and Amazon for up to date model reviews (they don't sell mine anymore). Mostly, the difference is when you draw a slow diagonal line with any of these non Wacom monitors is that you'll get line wiggle. I haven't noticed it at all on mine. Using OSX and windows 10 if that matters to you.

There's a heap of brands now, Huion and XP-pen are just two of them. iPads are great though, I wish that's been an option and had more software support (eg ZBrush) for my usage.

I'll be primarily using it on a Win10 machine, so it does! I'm upgrading my PC soon and figure the tablet will be next. Which model appears to be the best economical/functional fit is what'll determine how quickly that'll happen. But yeah, Huoin continues to get mentioned as having the least issues w/ parallax (that's the wiggle thing, yeah?) and the experience closest to Cintiq w/o the pre-requisite of hemorrhaging money.

lofi
Apr 2, 2018






ebay - about £170 for a second-hand 13HD

Lumpy
Apr 26, 2002

La! La! La! Laaaa!





College Slice

Old Boot posted:

So, I'm a hobbyist these days with a deep disdain for Wacom's lovely gatekeeping re: the Cintiq, am not super impressed by the ONE given its limitations, and am not really into the idea of dropping $700+ for a low-end Cintiq (w/ stand) when there could be something better out there.

I've heard a lot of talk about iPad, but I don't really know that I want to pay that much for what would effectively be a drawing tablet. Yes, it'd be nice to use at work, but at work, I'm mostly using traditional media anyway, so it's not a niche that needs filling, save maybe to save on space in my work bag. Given the price of an iPad, is ProCreate worth it?

Huion is the one that keeps floating to the surface, and I've been eyeballing the 16 Pro for a while now. I saw the earlier review of the 13, and something mentioned about the tilt pen? Anyone feel like filling me in on the current Cintiq alternatives and their pros/cons, or linking posts in this here thread that I can pick through?

EDIT: To be more precise with what I'm looking for--

Though I'm a hobbyist, I still like to sketch/shade/color in my spare time, and have been doing it a lot more these days. I'm mostly looking ahead to the model that I'll eventually want to purchase rather than going the baby steps route, so-- larger screen, fully featured, etc. Or would baby steps be more worthwhile here, in spite of that ultimately costing way more money?

I've primarily used Wacom's Intuos line for going on a decade now, and while my recent Pro has been serviceable, it's five years old, and I just-- really want a display tablet already.

If you do get an iPad, ProCreate is an absolutely astounding app and well worth 5x the price. An added benefit of the iPad is that... well, it's an iPad and you can read books and watch Netflix and do a billion other things on it.

que sera sera
Aug 4, 2006



What's the issue with wacom?

lofi
Apr 2, 2018






Absurd prices for no reason than the brand name.

Old Boot
May 9, 2012





Buglord

lofi posted:

Absurd prices for no reason than the brand name.

It's this. Cintiqs have not gone down in price for over a decade, and the concession "budget model" that only came out in 2019 is still over $700 if you want a stand.

You're going to want a stand.

The only reason Wacom started making more affordable models is because iPad's ProCreate and other competitors were finally starting to chip away at their bottom line. Wacom One, I promise you, is a direct response to iPad, and its features are-- lacking-- for $300.

Old Boot fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Apr 30, 2020

squirrelzipper
Nov 2, 2011



Old Boot posted:

So, I'm a hobbyist these days with a deep disdain for Wacom's lovely gatekeeping re: the Cintiq, am not super impressed by the ONE given its limitations, and am not really into the idea of dropping $700+ for a low-end Cintiq (w/ stand) when there could be something better out there.

I've heard a lot of talk about iPad, but I don't really know that I want to pay that much for what would effectively be a drawing tablet. Yes, it'd be nice to use at work, but at work, I'm mostly using traditional media anyway, so it's not a niche that needs filling, save maybe to save on space in my work bag. Given the price of an iPad, is ProCreate worth it?

Huion is the one that keeps floating to the surface, and I've been eyeballing the 16 Pro for a while now. I saw the earlier review of the 13, and something mentioned about the tilt pen? Anyone feel like filling me in on the current Cintiq alternatives and their pros/cons, or linking posts in this here thread that I can pick through?

EDIT: To be more precise with what I'm looking for--

Though I'm a hobbyist, I still like to sketch/shade/color in my spare time, and have been doing it a lot more these days. I'm mostly looking ahead to the model that I'll eventually want to purchase rather than going the baby steps route, so-- larger screen, fully featured, etc. Or would baby steps be more worthwhile here, in spite of that ultimately costing way more money?

I've primarily used Wacom's Intuos line for going on a decade now, and while my recent Pro has been serviceable, it's five years old, and I just-- really want a display tablet already.

I’m a hobbyist and have a 10.5 iPad Pro and posted my thoughts on the Huion Pro 16 which I also own two or three pages back in this thread. It’s a great tablet, I don’t use it that much but have done about 30 hours drawing and doodling on it and am perfectly happy. The Pro has a laminated screen, there is no parallax issues. I’ve used Cintiqs when i was doing paid work in Illustrator a few years back, I don’t think the Huion is inferior to the 21” cintiq I used to use in anyway. Ymmv. It’s a very good tablet for the price. The one issue that had cropped up is occasionally the zoom strip randomly activated and my browser or excel or w/e zooms in and out until I unplug the Huion USB cord and plug it back in. Assume that’s the Malware acting up.

squirrelzipper fucked around with this message at 05:53 on May 1, 2020

Old Boot
May 9, 2012





Buglord

squirrelzipper posted:

I’m a hobbyist and have a 10.5 iPad Pro and posted my thoughts on the Huion Pro 16 which I also own two or three pages back in this thread. It’s a great tablet, I don’t use it that much but have done about 30 hours drawing and doodling on it and am perfectly happy. The Pro has a laminated screen, there is no parallax issues. I’ve used Cintiqs when i was doing paid work in Illustrator a few years back, I don’t think the Huion is inferior to the 21” cintiq I used to use in anyway. Ymmv. It’s a very good tablet for the price. The one issue that had cropped up is occasionally the zoom strip randomly activated and my browser or excel or w/e zooms in and out until I unplug the Huion USB cord and plug it back in. Assume that’s the Malware acting up.

And this tipped the scales, I think. Thanks!

...wait. Malware?

lofi
Apr 2, 2018






Huion is approved by pooh bear.

Lumpy
Apr 26, 2002

La! La! La! Laaaa!





College Slice

Old Boot posted:

And this tipped the scales, I think. Thanks!

...wait. Malware?

It is a running joke that every piece of electronics or software made in China has industrial espionage / spyware built it. A joke, and not something that would ever actually happen because big Chinese companies like Huawei and others are completely above-board and would never do anything nefarious. rapidly blinks S.O.S. pattern repeatedly

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat



Grimey Drawer

The Huion still needs to be plugged into a computer right? It's not wireless or anything?

I think the iPad's biggest single advantage is that everything is in one package. And it's also multi-purpose. But also you can carry it everywhere. And it's as good or better than the competition. It doesn't have the diversity of software you'd get with a desktop though.

Old Boot
May 9, 2012





Buglord

Lumpy posted:

It is a running joke that every piece of electronics or software made in China has industrial espionage / spyware built it. A joke, and not something that would ever actually happen because big Chinese companies like Huawei and others are completely above-board and would never do anything nefarious. rapidly blinks S.O.S. pattern repeatedly

...I can live with that.

The kind of precautions I take, my genome's probably known at this point.

Krispy Wafer posted:

The Huion still needs to be plugged into a computer right? It's not wireless or anything?

I think the iPad's biggest single advantage is that everything is in one package. And it's also multi-purpose. But also you can carry it everywhere. And it's as good or better than the competition. It doesn't have the diversity of software you'd get with a desktop though.

I'm not that interested in the portability, and having an iPad would be a little redundant for me right now anyway. My primary interest is in a drawing tablet, so the decision ultimately went to the Huion. Thanks for the input y'all, I'll let you know how I'm feeling about it when it gets here~

Listerine
Jan 5, 2005

Exquisite Corpse

So the Dell Canvas never took off huh? I see it's still for sale on their website.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013

I can't believe I gotta swab
the poop deck

What's a good sketch app for Windows these days, would it still be Sketchable? CSP is good but has way too much UI on a Surface screen, and there ain't no Procreate.

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

What's a good sketch app for Windows these days, would it still be Sketchable? CSP is good but has way too much UI on a Surface screen, and there ain't no Procreate.

Autodesk Sketchbook is good and free for sketching.

BoosterDuck
Mar 2, 2019


Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

What's a good sketch app for Windows these days, would it still be Sketchable? CSP is good but has way too much UI on a Surface screen, and there ain't no Procreate.

MediBang

BoosterDuck fucked around with this message at 05:40 on May 3, 2020

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007




Anyone have any solutions/devices they like for solving keyboard/tablet positioning troubles? Got an intuos 5 medium so it's fairly big tablet that rests flat and I've been finding it hard to position the keyboard and tablet in such a way I can use my keyboard hotkeys comfortably (and the buttons on the tablet themselves don't really cut it) - I've seen some like, gamer peripherals that are like mini-keyboards, kinda wondering how well that would work beside a tablet. (Though I might need to change hotkeys to fit the buttons available which could come with a learning curve)

Also wondering if I just maybe don't have good drawing ergonomics - a year or so back I had to change up the way I computer to avoid some hand pain. I used to sit almost leaning into my desk, arms resting on it. Now my desk is much lower & I use the arm rests of my chair. This has been good for my hands for keyboard + mouse but i think it's lead to drawing being a little less comfortable (particularly if I'm trying to reach for a keyboard I've pushed away to make room for a tablet) - anyone else have a similar setup / recommendations?

lofi
Apr 2, 2018






I picked up a Razer Nostramo off ebay, and it's really nice alongside the tablet - having a mousewheel on it is really handy for zooming. Be aware that cheap gaming pads literally just mirror a chunk of the keyboard, so I don't think they'd work as well - the razer thingy has keys you can set to be whatever you want.

I never really got comfortable with my intuos because I was hunched over it to draw but looking up to my screen. I upgraded to a cintiq recently and it's solved all that poo poo instantly. Things that didn't work included using a desk easel to angle it and changing seat/desk height.

lofi fucked around with this message at 00:48 on May 12, 2020

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007




Mirroring the keyboard doesn't sound like necessarily a bad thing, at least at first thought? Might have to change binds, but if i'm going to be using the thing as a dedicated drawing tool that doesn't seem like a big deal? Trade-off with macro keys is you gotta have software running from what I remember. (Also the current versions of the nostramo don't seem particularly cheap, I'd be shelling out over 100$ Canadian for one new.)

The scroll wheel & thumb stick stuff seems like it could be real neat though. I've been trying to make myself get used to modifier keys so I should explicitly need that stuff (eg: Holding space lets you pan the canvas, ctrl+space will act as zoom, at least in CSP.)

Been wondering about stuff like desk easels - granted I'm so used to drawing flat I have no idea if that would be a good solution though. (And for similar reasons I have no idea if a cintiq would be right for me)

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


I used to use a razer Tartarus for the same thing, it should be a lot cheaper cause it’s a more recent model (the nostromo was a model razer acquired from some other gaming peripheral company in the 2000’s that disappeared) and it isn’t mechanical keys which shouldn’t really matter for these purposes. Downside though is no scroll wheel, you might have to look for a newer incarnation from some other company to find that. The software razer has to use it lets you customize any key on it to any function including macros. I always had the little space bar replacement bound to save which was nice

squirrelzipper
Nov 2, 2011



Oxyclean posted:

Anyone have any solutions/devices they like for solving keyboard/tablet positioning troubles? Got an intuos 5 medium so it's fairly big tablet that rests flat and I've been finding it hard to position the keyboard and tablet in such a way I can use my keyboard hotkeys comfortably (and the buttons on the tablet themselves don't really cut it) - I've seen some like, gamer peripherals that are like mini-keyboards, kinda wondering how well that would work beside a tablet. (Though I might need to change hotkeys to fit the buttons available which could come with a learning curve)

Also wondering if I just maybe don't have good drawing ergonomics - a year or so back I had to change up the way I computer to avoid some hand pain. I used to sit almost leaning into my desk, arms resting on it. Now my desk is much lower & I use the arm rests of my chair. This has been good for my hands for keyboard + mouse but i think it's lead to drawing being a little less comfortable (particularly if I'm trying to reach for a keyboard I've pushed away to make room for a tablet) - anyone else have a similar setup / recommendations?

Depending on how many shortcuts you need and uh, whether you have a Switch, you can pair a joycon and just hold it in your non-drawing hand and ... you know what never mind this is an awfully edge case solution but it works great!

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007




Wowporn posted:

I used to use a razer Tartarus for the same thing, it should be a lot cheaper cause it’s a more recent model (the nostromo was a model razer acquired from some other gaming peripheral company in the 2000’s that disappeared) and it isn’t mechanical keys which shouldn’t really matter for these purposes. Downside though is no scroll wheel, you might have to look for a newer incarnation from some other company to find that. The software razer has to use it lets you customize any key on it to any function including macros. I always had the little space bar replacement bound to save which was nice
All i've been able to find is the Tartarus V2 - which goes for 109$ Canadian. (Think it's like 79$ US?) There's some other models (Tartarus Pro and Orbweaver) but it looks like they go for more. The V2 does have a scroll wheel though. I've seen some cheaper brand-i've-never-heard-of-before keypad/half boards for around 30-40$ Canadian. I might be able to get cheaper still second-hand, but I don't really like to go that way for peripherals.

squirrelzipper posted:

Depending on how many shortcuts you need and uh, whether you have a Switch, you can pair a joycon and just hold it in your non-drawing hand and ... you know what never mind this is an awfully edge case solution but it works great!
I dug through my post history and saw that I apparently asked a very similar question some time ago, and this suggestion also came up. It's a curious idea since it might be a good option for at least an easy undo/redo button that I can rest just about anywhere. How much of a hassle is it to pair & unpair the joycon with the PC? I remember having a lot of headaches dealing with an XB1 controller through bluetooth, and I'm still gonna need to use the joycon with the switch every other day.

squirrelzipper
Nov 2, 2011



Oxyclean posted:

All i've been able to find is the Tartarus V2 - which goes for 109$ Canadian. (Think it's like 79$ US?) There's some other models (Tartarus Pro and Orbweaver) but it looks like they go for more. The V2 does have a scroll wheel though. I've seen some cheaper brand-i've-never-heard-of-before keypad/half boards for around 30-40$ Canadian. I might be able to get cheaper still second-hand, but I don't really like to go that way for peripherals.

I dug through my post history and saw that I apparently asked a very similar question some time ago, and this suggestion also came up. It's a curious idea since it might be a good option for at least an easy undo/redo button that I can rest just about anywhere. How much of a hassle is it to pair & unpair the joycon with the PC? I remember having a lot of headaches dealing with an XB1 controller through bluetooth, and I'm still gonna need to use the joycon with the switch every other day.

I'm on Mac OS but a quick google seems to suggest it's as simple - just add Bluetooth device and it shows up. Not sure about key/button re-mapping on Windows but it's worth a shot.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang




Trying to set up a wacom tablet on my sister's 4K imac and the cursor is really hard to see when you're sketching. Is there a way to make the cursor larger when you're drawing or hovering over the tablet, but not when you're using the mouse? google just tells me how to adjust brush sizes

e: if it matters, its an Intuos CTH-480 but i guess the driver is the same for all of them

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

Carthag Tuek posted:

Trying to set up a wacom tablet on my sister's 4K imac and the cursor is really hard to see when you're sketching. Is there a way to make the cursor larger when you're drawing or hovering over the tablet, but not when you're using the mouse? google just tells me how to adjust brush sizes

e: if it matters, its an Intuos CTH-480 but i guess the driver is the same for all of them

I assume you're using Photoshop, in the prefs there's a way to change the icon for your mouse pointer. One of them is the brush size.

I'm on mobile at the moment so I can't take a screenshot for you.

If you're not, maybe try this? https://www.howtogeek.com/317969/ho...n-your-mac/amp/

the_lion fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Aug 8, 2020

squirrelzipper
Nov 2, 2011



PSA If you're on Catalina the OS now thinks any Huion driver is a virus and won't run it after a restart. You have to delete and re-install. Apple has saved us from Mao, but it's a hassle.

(to be clear, Huion tablets don't install a preference pane driver, it's an app that requires elevated accessibility permissions that you run once when you set up your global curves etc. We joked earlier in the thread that it was stealing all your data - i don't think it is but it's a /funny/ coincidence.)

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang




the_lion posted:

I assume you're using Photoshop, in the prefs there's a way to change the icon for your mouse pointer. One of them is the brush size.

I'm on mobile at the moment so I can't take a screenshot for you.

If you're not, maybe try this? https://www.howtogeek.com/317969/ho...n-your-mac/amp/

Thanks, that works

Kingtheninja
Jul 29, 2004

"You're the best looking guy here."


So if I've already got a 6th gen iPad and wanted to get into drawing with a display, would it be best to just grab an apple pencil and procreate?

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CaptainCrunch
Mar 19, 2006
droppin Hamiltons!

Kingtheninja posted:

So if I've already got a 6th gen iPad and wanted to get into drawing with a display, would it be best to just grab an apple pencil and procreate?

It’s probably your easiest option if you already own a compatible iPad. You could save a few bucks maybe with one of the newer 3rd party styluses, but 2nd gen Pencil is basically 0 effort to pair and worth it.
Procreate is a great drawing program, so yes.

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