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TVGM
Mar 17, 2005

"It is not moral, it is not acceptable, and it is not sustainable that the top one-tenth of 1 percent now owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent"



Yam Slacker

CaptainCrunch posted:

It’s probably your easiest option if you already own a compatible iPad. You could save a few bucks maybe with one of the newer 3rd party styluses, but 2nd gen Pencil is basically 0 effort to pair and worth it.
Procreate is a great drawing program, so yes.

2nd gen pencil only works with 3rd and 4th gen iPad Pros iirc

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Claes Oldenburger
Apr 23, 2010

Metal magician!


TVGM posted:

2nd gen pencil only works with 3rd and 4th gen iPad Pros iirc

Yeah, I looked into getting one for my 2nd gen ipad pro and it wouldn't work with it. All the reviews I read say that they are for all intents and purposes the same, despite the design change.

Kingtheninja
Jul 29, 2004

"You're the best looking guy here."


TVGM posted:

2nd gen pencil only works with 3rd and 4th gen iPad Pros iirc

Ah that sucks, wonder why it only works for those. So my options would be third party then?

CaptainCrunch
Mar 19, 2006
droppin Hamiltons!

TVGM posted:

2nd gen pencil only works with 3rd and 4th gen iPad Pros iirc

Doah! My bad, sorry about that.

squirrelzipper
Nov 2, 2011



Kingtheninja posted:

Ah that sucks, wonder why it only works for those. So my options would be third party then?

You can still buy the first gen Apple Pencil, itís recommended for the non pro iPads.

TVGM
Mar 17, 2005

"It is not moral, it is not acceptable, and it is not sustainable that the top one-tenth of 1 percent now owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent"



Yam Slacker

Kingtheninja posted:

Ah that sucks, wonder why it only works for those. So my options would be third party then?

Entirely different charging mechanism that's build into the new Pros (magnetic as opposed to sticking it in the Lightning port ).

LeschNyhan
Sep 2, 2006



So I finally decided to take the plunge and get one of these things. I have an Intuos Pro now but for some reason Gimp 2.10.20 isn't detecting the input device. Windows is recognizing it fine.
Google isn't especially helpful, and the most I can get from the Gimp site is that they're having trouble with GTK+, whatever that means. Does anyone have any suggestions I can try? Maybe an older version of the drivers or software?

Listerine
Jan 5, 2005

Exquisite Corpse

Anybody know anything about XP-Pen?

https://www.xp-pen.com/

Unless I missed something, I don't think I've seen them discussed in this thread. Wondering if they're any good.

CaptainCrunch
Mar 19, 2006
droppin Hamiltons!

I bought an XP-Pen Artist 24 Pro about a month ago based entirely on this review:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJud2Y5XNxQ
It took just under a week to arrive from Hong Kong and because they launched a sale the day after it arrived, upon request, they refunded me the $ over the sale price I had paid.

So far I am absolutely loving it. The lack of a laminated screen isn't really distracting me, the size with the QHD screen lets me work in photoshop and keep my various pallets open along the sides without it feeling crowded. The only issues I have is the driver drops from memory if I turn off the display and let my Mac sleep. Running the control panel again gets it working without a reboot (the Huion I had would take 2-3 reboots to reconnect the sensor.) The pressure sensitivity is finicky at the low end. I'm still tweaking the pressure settings so I can just dab down some color without having to apply pressure too much.

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

Listerine posted:

Anybody know anything about XP-Pen?

https://www.xp-pen.com/

Unless I missed something, I don't think I've seen them discussed in this thread. Wondering if they're any good.

A lot of the YouTube reviewers like Brad Colbow are talking about them a lot, he's reviewed at least 5 I think. He's probably one of the better reviewers in my opinion.

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!

Listerine posted:

Anybody know anything about XP-Pen?

https://www.xp-pen.com/

Unless I missed something, I don't think I've seen them discussed in this thread. Wondering if they're any good.

I got one of these like a year ago and I really like it. Way more affordable and performs just as well as any wacom tablet I've had, only things that have really bothered me is getting it set up and the button mapping with the pen. Once I got those figured out it's been a pretty smooth experience.

Gameko
Feb 23, 2006

The friend of all children!

I have a general question. Got a kid who has been serious about art for a while, and she's turning 12 and I think it's the right time to invest in a reasonable beginner digital setup and get her some photoshop classes.

I'm leaning towards a beginner wacom tablet and a cheap PC setup with a photoshop subscription. I'm sure she'd rather have an iPad Pro, because you can do so many cool things that are not art with it. I'm worried about loss or theft of the device though.

What you guys recommend that the tablet + PC option for a young artist? How beefy a PC do I need for this? Should I go with a laptop instead? Should I forget the whole thing and we go with an iPad?

cloudy
Jul 3, 2007

Alive to the universe; dead to the world.

FYI you don't have to get an iPad pro to use the apple pencil. You can go with a much cheaper model while she's still young. Just double check on their website which iPads work with which generation of apple pencil!

Alternatively a cheap tablet and a laptop combo has just as much or more functionality. But the mid-range iPad route would be much cheaper.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013



cloudy posted:

FYI you don't have to get an iPad pro to use the apple pencil. You can go with a much cheaper model while she's still young. Just double check on their website which iPads work with which generation of apple pencil!

Alternatively a cheap tablet and a laptop combo has just as much or more functionality. But the mid-range iPad route would be much cheaper.

There's also the issue of whether the kid is more interested in just art or whether they want to learn Photoshop as a part of learning how to do art. There are a TON of amazing art programs out there that work better than Photoshop for drawing or painting.
I think the iPad is the best option- it has a screen but isn't as expensive as a lot of other choices and you get loving PROCREATE, something that I'm jealous of even with a much more expensive Surface.
I'll also argue that the quality of life upgrade to a tablet with a screen is well worth the price tag. You can even get a refurb regular iPad if you want, it doesn't have to be the latest iPad Pro that just rolled off the assembly line.

I can guarantee the kid is absolutely going to lose her mind when she sees what Procreate can do, regardless of how new or fancy the iPad is.

Listerine
Jan 5, 2005

Exquisite Corpse

I would also recommend Affinity Photo over Photoshop for a kid just starting out, it's got a ton of the same features and is a one time $49.99 purchase. If it turns out she doesn't like it, you're only out the one time payment instead of however months' worth of rental payments. Transitioning to Photoshop once you know all the tools isn't hard if for some reason later you just have to have Photoshop to do something.

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines

For 49.99, if your kid is doing digital painting and not photo editing, you can get Clip Studio Paint instead. It is way more geared towards digital art than Photoshop. It's missing a few features, but nothing your kid will miss if they're entirely new to digital painting. If you wait for one of their sales, you might even be able to get the EX version for relatively cheap! Unfortunately a sale just finished so it'll probably be a few months before the next one.

The desktop version is a one time payment, but sadly I don't recommend the iPad version unless you're serious about art, because the latter is subscription-based.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


The sub for clip studio on iPad is kinda a bummer but if you pay for a whole year at a time itís only like $25/year which is low enough I canít get that mad, especially since if I remember right the iPad Clip is closer to the ex version than the regular/pro version

Also procreate is like $6 and by far the most intuitive feeling app for sketching/drawing imo so if sheís trending towards that rather than like editing/graphic design it feels like a no brainer

Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana

I've been using an app called Infinite Painter on my iPad recently, I find it blows even Procreate out of the water. It's cheap and great.

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines

Neon Noodle posted:

I've been using an app called Infinite Painter on my iPad recently, I find it blows even Procreate out of the water. It's cheap and great.

I was pleasantly surprised to find that you get the full feature set for 7 days and... yoooo this is really great! I already like it better than Procreate! I just wish I could import some Procreate brushes over and I'd be all set.

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

Neon Noodle posted:

I've been using an app called Infinite Painter on my iPad recently, I find it blows even Procreate out of the water. It's cheap and great.

This is my go to app on Android for painting. It's pretty good for free!

Gameko
Feb 23, 2006

The friend of all children!

Some really good suggestions in here. Thanks everyone. I think I'll go with the regular old ipad and a compatible pencil, or maybe one of the old ipad pro models w/ pencil if I can find one cheap for some reason.

When it comes to apps I personally use procreate and have used photoshop in the past (I'm a hobbiest ONLY). To my mind, Procreate is intuitive enough that you don't really need classes to grasp the technical concepts, you can just kind of toodle along and learn as you go. I was thinking I could get her some photoshop classes because I'd like to give her the opportunity to really dig into some of the more digitial art specific technical concepts, and I figured photoshop classes would be the easiest ones to schedule for her. Personally I like some of the other apps like clipstudio better than photoshop just for the cost, but mostly I was making a choice based on the options for getting instruction.

Might be the best option is to go with Ipad + procreate and let her get used to that, then I can look into a more techically geared art app and classes in a year or two when she's ready for the next step.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013



Gameko posted:

Some really good suggestions in here. Thanks everyone. I think I'll go with the regular old ipad and a compatible pencil, or maybe one of the old ipad pro models w/ pencil if I can find one cheap for some reason.

When it comes to apps I personally use procreate and have used photoshop in the past (I'm a hobbiest ONLY). To my mind, Procreate is intuitive enough that you don't really need classes to grasp the technical concepts, you can just kind of toodle along and learn as you go. I was thinking I could get her some photoshop classes because I'd like to give her the opportunity to really dig into some of the more digitial art specific technical concepts, and I figured photoshop classes would be the easiest ones to schedule for her. Personally I like some of the other apps like clipstudio better than photoshop just for the cost, but mostly I was making a choice based on the options for getting instruction.

Might be the best option is to go with Ipad + procreate and let her get used to that, then I can look into a more techically geared art app and classes in a year or two when she's ready for the next step.

The problem with getting her into Photoshop classes is it's only going to work if she really wants to learn Photoshop. It's not as good at painting as painting programs and there's just so loving much of it. I'd let her tinker with it for a few days, talk about some of the things it can do and its importance as a skillset, and ask if she wants to go all in on it.

squirrelzipper
Nov 2, 2011



Dogwood Fleet posted:

The problem with getting her into Photoshop classes is it's only going to work if she really wants to learn Photoshop. It's not as good at painting as painting programs and there's just so loving much of it. I'd let her tinker with it for a few days, talk about some of the things it can do and its importance as a skillset, and ask if she wants to go all in on it.

Yeah to second on this, Photoshop isnít really the be all or even that important to painters/illustrators these days. I hire freelance artists a lot for my work, PS is still good to know but for digital art itís been overtaken in a lot of ways. If youíre doing photobashing concept stuff or 3D texture prototyping, sure, but just learning to draw/paint digitally itís almost a bad option now.

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

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Help!

I'm a hobbyist and would like to budget about $100 for a tablet (used on local classifieds, most likely, but not against new) and software. I want the ability to digitize my pen and ink sketches into high-resolution image files for getting stuff like stickers, t-shirts, stencils, and prints made. Sometimes I like to trace stuff out of my photography, and I've been drawing bold tattoo flash style stuff lately.

My graphic artist niece let me use her Wacom Intuos paired with Illustrator, and she and I both think a similar medium-sized tablet paired with Photoshop would be ample for my needs. I will most likely do all this on a Dell laptop and an iMac desktop. I've read a bunch of this thread and think a used Wacom Intuos would be fine, but if I'm buying new I'm leaning toward a Huion.

Please correct me, verify my ideas, or nudge me in better directions. I learn software pretty quickly, but moving to digital art is an entirely new thing for me and I only have these kind of vague ideas about how to jump in.

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cloudy
Jul 3, 2007

Alive to the universe; dead to the world.

If you don't already have an adobe subscription, what you plan on doing sounds like it could easily be accomplished with one of many free or one-time paid programs-- just a heads up, if you don't wanna get sucked into the adobe sinkhole. If you're starting from zero you might as well invest the time in learning the program that is best for you.

But otherwise your tablet plan sounds perfectly suitable!

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