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Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I've just got an 8" Windows 8 tablet, so I tried hooking up my Bamboo; not only does it work, but the screen is the same size as the Bamboo's drawing area, making it super easy to draw with in a way I was struggling with on my larger PC screen.

It's too cramped to do anything besides sketch with, but it lets me ignore the disparity between making small marks on the Wacom and seeing bigger marks appear on screen, so I'll be doing a whole load of practise over Xmas.

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Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I have an older-style Wacom Bamboo Pen + Touch and I found the touch features to be pretty wonky, myself. I don't know if that's just me, though.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I have an 8" Bay Trail tablet; it's capable of running Photoshop, but the main issue is button size on the UI. There's a massive gulf in the design of apps and programs, and I definitely wouldn't recommend a tablet that small for any kind of productivity.

That said, there's a free program called MyPaint with a very minimalist interface (it's hidden entirely by default in full screen) and if you have a proper digitizer then an 8" screen is absolutely fine for sketching on. Tablets at that size are small enough to hold comfortably in one hand, while Bay Trail is nippy enough to not result in any slowdown (although I haven't done anything complex enough to really test it in that regard). I wouldn't buy one just for sketching, but with a digitizer it's definitely something you can do.

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Jan 10, 2014

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Does anyone know where to get this Monoprice in the UK, or if Monoprice would ship to the UK? It seems like a decent Cintiq alternative, but I can't find it in the UK - even the Shopping tab on Google produces no results whatsoever.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I have the H610 Pro as well and I really cannot stress enough what a difference it makes to have a larger active area. With a small Bamboo it was a complete crapshoot whether or not I drew a line correctly, now it's an absolute breeze. Just don't get a tablet with a bigger active area than your monitor and you'll be fine.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


e: Eh, screw it, I've had a good long look at MS5's pen settings and I think I'm getting it set up pretty well, so I'll keep on playing with it instead of posting stupid gripes here. The lesson here is to always experiment long and hard.

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Feb 26, 2015

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Does anyone know the LPI and pressure sensitivity of the Surface Pro 2? I'm looking for a tablet I can draw with on the go but I am damned if I can find this info anywhere whatsoever.

Alternatively, can anyone recommend a cheaper and/or better Windows alternative at <£500? I can get the Surface Pro 2 for £500, but I'd rather not fork out quite that much if possible.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


The H610 Pro is great and the increase in surface area over the small Wacom tablets improved my drawing experience immeasurably. A medium Intuos would beat the H610 Pro in spec, though not on price. With the small, I'd say the Huion is a no-brainer.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I've asked in another thread about whether to leave my computer on or switch it off at night, and basically got 'whichever you like, doesn't make much difference really', so what would y'all say on the subject?

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Also I was really asking if I should put my computer to sleep or shut it down when I power it down at night, not whether I should power it down at any point period.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Post it to their Twitter and ask about it, I could do with a laugh.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Goons, if I were to suddenly find myself with £300 - £400 burning a hole in my pocket, what tablet monitor would you recommend? I'm considering an upgrade from my Huion H610.

In an unrelated note, I've noticed on my Surface 3 / Surface Pen that there's a weird amount of lag on the cursor while drawing - like the cursor trails behind your pen tip by a few beats. I assume this is a feature not a bug, but while it's fine for slow strokes, it's pretty disorientating if you're trying to do fast sketching and the gap between pen and cursor widens. Is there any way of getting rid of it, or am I stuck with it?

Edit: It's the entire cursor, not just while drawing. I know the cursor lags while hovering to conserve battery, but it continues when touching the screen as well.

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Feb 10, 2016

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I wanted a tablet monitor but couldn't really afford a full-size Wacom, so I ended up buying a 19" Ugee 1910B. The 21" model seemed to review well and the 19" had plenty of glowing reviews on Amazon, so what could go wrong?

Oh god. Oh god. :gonk: The build quality is less than premium but sensibly done and the colours and resolution are okay for a cheap tablet, but there is exactly zero smoothing and no options to fix it. You could castrate a gnat with the edge on those pixels. What looks just fine on my two desktop monitors is a jagged mess on this monitor. Plus the distance between glass and screen is gigantic; no amount of calibration can stop the cursor and pen tip from parting ways as they stray from centre. There's also a 5mm piece of dust trapped behind the screen that's making a bunch of pixels flip out, so that's what I'll be putting as the main reason for returning it rather than "this product is total dogshit".

So, can anyone recommend a better tablet? I was considering a 13" Cintiq since that's more in my price range. I see good and bad said about the 13HD, but then people said good things about the Ugee, and I can only assume that either they are blind or have incredibly low standards.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I should have paid more attention to the tech specs - Huion, Ugee and Yiynova all seem to use lovely TFT screens on their 19" models, with IPS reserved for 21" or above. Since their stand mechanisms seem identical, that sounds like they use the same manufacturers so it's probably the same lovely TFT on all of them.

Having got it on my desk, 19" was possibly a bit ambitious for the space I'm working with, which is why I'm tempted by a 13" model. I'll check out that one suggested above. Or I might say gently caress it and buy a 21/22" model anyway, who knows!

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Apr 5, 2016

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Anyone care to weigh in on Bosto? They seem to be non-existent in the UK so I missed them the first time around, but their products seem like they're really good quality - not as cheap as Huion and the rest, but a lot cheaper than Wacom. They also have a 13" model, which powers a battery free pen and a 1080p IPS screen off a single USB cable, which is loving bananas. Their 22" model has the same quality screen and pen, seems pretty thin and light and is slathered in hotkeys and only winds up at $899 - more than I wanted to spend, but a price I'd be willing to pay for what you seem to get.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Wowporn posted:

Don't buy anything from them, they have an awful track record for buggy hardware and nonexistent customer support. If I remember right they don't even have drivers for windows from 8 and up.

Here's Frenden's damning (and he's not the only one) lack-of-a review.
http://frenden.com/post/67995181942/bosto-kingtee-22hd-review

If you're willing to spend just under a grand and want higher end I would definitely say the Yiynova 22" or a used Wacom

I did see that review, but that was a few years and a couple of hardware revisions ago. The current model, the HDX, seems to be much better received (less so for Mac users, but I'm on Windows, so eh) and seems to be improving heavily on past faults if the reviews I've seen are anything to go by. And they do support Windows 8 and 10.

I may look into the Yiynova; I'm not satisfied with the pressure curve on Huion's tablets and I can see the sharp jump from hard to soft in Frenden's videos however much he likes to say otherwise. Anything but Huion or Wacom seems non-existent in the UK if you don't want the 19" models though.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


The Artisul D13 is currently on sale on their website at $599 with the $50 stand thrown in for free, so as long as they'll ship to the UK I will be grabbing myself one of those later.

e: $ =/= £

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Apr 13, 2016

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Are there any screen protectors for the Surface that would give it a textured feel? It's pretty useable with an artist's glove but could definitely do with being less slidy. Hell, if there's a protector for a different screen that I could cut down to size I'd take that.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


windex posted:

I own a Cintiq Companion 2, a 27QHD, owned a 24HD and an 13HD. I also own a Surface Pro 4.

I do not draw on the Surface because pen texture. If you like drawing on Wacom, even the nondisplay tablets, you won't like the Surface (probably), and that's all there is to that.

Use both. You are the only one who can decide.

I wish I could try a Cintiq, but I honestly cannot think of a single UK store that would have one on display.

Re: Textured screen protectors from a few days back, you can buy the one used on the Artisul D13 separate for twenty bucks.

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jun 25, 2016

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Where did you find an SP4 for $600? It starts at $899 on the Microsoft Store.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


The regular Surface 3 should be fine, and it's hitting the end of its life so you may be able to get a deal on it somewhere.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I'm using a Lenovo ThinkPad Helix 2 at work and although I don't have any drawing programs installed, the screen has much more friction than the Surface and the pen has a rubberised tip, so it feels like it would be great for sketching.

My company is loving useless so I have all the bios and admin passwords and we have fifty of these gathering dust in a drawer, so I may just use one for drawing until they decide to finally make use of them two years down the line, just when they're completely out of production, just like we did with the last model!

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Did Microsoft update the Surface Pen for the Surface 3 / Pro 3 & 4? I just bought a replacement because my old one keeps dying, and this new one has one long button on the side instead of two small ones, it comes with a variety of nibs and they're now textured and actually grip the screen in a pleasing manner. I thought I was just buying a straight-up replacement, but the nib alone is making this a worthwhile purchase in its own right.

edit: Also if you're in the UK and want a tablet for drawing, there is a stormingly good deal on the Surface Pro 3 on Groupon right now: https://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/microsoft-surface-pro-3-12

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Oct 7, 2016

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


It's a pretty solid broadside attack against both Wacom and Apple, but it's definitely aimed at studios rather than individuals.

A shame, because if there was a cheaper version I'd be very tempted when I come round to replacing my current PC.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I tried a Ugee 1910B briefly:

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

I wanted a tablet monitor but couldn't really afford a full-size Wacom, so I ended up buying a 19" Ugee 1910B. The 21" model seemed to review well and the 19" had plenty of glowing reviews on Amazon, so what could go wrong?

Oh god. Oh god. :gonk: The build quality is less than premium but sensibly done and the colours and resolution are okay for a cheap tablet, but there is exactly zero smoothing and no options to fix it. You could castrate a gnat with the edge on those pixels. What looks just fine on my two desktop monitors is a jagged mess on this monitor. Plus the distance between glass and screen is gigantic; no amount of calibration can stop the cursor and pen tip from parting ways as they stray from centre. There's also a 5mm piece of dust trapped behind the screen that's making a bunch of pixels flip out, so that's what I'll be putting as the main reason for returning it rather than "this product is total dogshit".

Go for a 21/22" IPS panel instead.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


If you get it working, I'd be interested to know how it performs in terms of pressure sensitivity. I find the Surface Pen needs you to press a bit too hard for really light strokes, but the Bamboo Ink has much better sensitivity.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Give Sketchable a go, it's in the Windows Store. The free version is enough to play around with.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


For problem programs, go to Properties > Compatibility, click 'override scaling' and set it to one of the System options. That should force the program to display at the correct scaling; it will likely still be grainy, but if your current solution is to change the screen res then that won't make a difference anyway.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I dug out my H610 Pro, and was pleasantly surprised to find that I can actually draw confidently with it now. Let this be a lesson not to jump into digital before you're ready; it seriously put me off drawing for a while because it just didn't feel right in my hands.

Then I spent an hour trying to decipher a two minute tutorial on layer masks, because Ctrl+Click on a layer does different things depending on whether you click the thumbnail or the layer name. :eng99: I am laughably bad at this; sometimes I see process vids where people have mountains of layers, and I consistently draw on the wrong layer as soon as I have more than one.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Just traditional sketching, generally getting more confident, nothing more than that really. I made an attempt with my Surface and didn't take to that much either, which actually helped, because going back to the size, clarity and accuracy of an external monitor coupled with a regular drawing tablet really enamored me to the Huion.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Ferrule posted:

I had to break down and get a new mac. And they don't have USB ports anymore so neither of my Wacom tablets are gonna work unless I get a special adapter.

What? No. No way that is real. What do they have, then?

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I could never get pen pressure to work in the Windows Store version for some reason, but it says there's a new version to download, so I'll give it a go!

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Tell me goons, are all SP4s this bad, or is mine hosed? Because I decided to draw a few lines using a ruler to test out the jitter, and I could practically surf on those loving waves.



Compare that to the Lenovo I use at work, and even drawn at a crawl it is pretty drat acceptable:



It's the same in all apps.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Pen question: I have the Surface Pro 4 pen, but it is smooth and slippery as all hell, so I have to actively grip it rather than, you know, just letting it sit in my hand. Is there a good solution to that, or alternatively, are there any better pens? How is the Bamboo Ink, for example?

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Now that's the kind of simple thinking that I'm apparently not capable of. They might interfere with the button, but it's cheap enough to try anyway.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Pretty much all digital painting tutorials and resources use Photoshop CC, so if they include the Webster brushes as well then I think that'll push me towards using it. Does Photoshop have line smoothing built in now, like CSP does?

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


GATOS Y VATOS posted:

For tutorials, Reuben Lara has some good ones that are CSP based.

Ah, that's useful, thanks.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Pressing hard sounds like a config issue more than anything; spend some time adjusting the sensitivity on your pens, however it's done in your program of choice. Most of my pens are set up similar to this in CSP, so I can use a nice light touch:



If you need more precision right at the low end then turning it into an S shaped curve gives you the best of both worlds.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Has anyone used the Clip Studio Tabmate? It seems pretty reasonably priced, but it's Japan only so I'm wondering how much of a ballache it would be to deal with if it needs returning or repairing. It looks like a good option for my Surface though, as the type cover is stuck directly in front of the screen and the Surface Dial is pretty expensive.

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Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


GATOS Y VATOS posted:

I purchased one a while ago and immediately regretted it because I have big hands and the tabmate feels like it was designed for an 8 year old. It is super tiny and my hand would cramp after using it for very long.

That's a shame. I have fairly small fingers though, so it might work for me.

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