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Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Andrigaar posted:

I've had my Huion H610pro for 23 months according to the invoice, and it's been a really good run with the original pen even (which is about to fall apart any day now). But due to the chronic problem where slight wiggles in the USB cord cause it to partially break contact and require me to quickly plug it back in 1-3 times in a row for it to work normally again, I'm going to drift back to a Wacom for now. The problem at least feels like it's getting worse and I think I've gotten my $80 out of it anyway.

Is the Intuos Pro medium worth that absurdly high price tag, or should I look at the 4? I saw earlier in the thread that the 3 is mostly 4:3 ratio with rare 16:9, so that's out, and it looks like the 5 is sorta meh with the Pro being an update to make it not suck.

I have that model and one day in a fit of rage I glued the drat cord in place. Problem solved! Supposedly the newer Wacom models have similar issues with the port. Anyway, worst case is that the tablet doesn't work, which you're fairly close to anyway.

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Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013
Is buying an old Intuos off ebay a silly idea? I was looking to upgrade from my Huion, but I'm not thrilled with what I've heard about the newer models.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Xun posted:

So my wacom bamboo tablet died. I had some real issues with quality from Amazon. When I bought it I had to return the first two tablets they sent me didn't work. The miscousb connection on the one that does work constantly falls out if I move it too suddenly. Also the bamboo driver keeps crashing but I'm not sure whats up with that. Thing is I'm just an amateur so I don't really want to drop tons of money on a fancy professional quality tablet. Do you guys have any recommendations or should I stick with another bamboo? I'm trying to keep my budget <120$ and I'm pretty happy with the drawing area of the tablet which is around 8x6 inches.

If you're dealing with disconnecting micro USB cords and crashing drivers anyway, you may as well get a Huion. If you're getting desperate and can't get your money back, but aren't quite ready to make the jump to another tablet, you can try securing the micro USB cable in place permanently.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Vermain posted:

I've been having two weird issues with my Huion rechargeable pen. First, it no longer seems to hold a charge; trying to use it without it being plugged in simply doesn't work anymore. Second, I'm occasionally getting some weird streaks when using Lazy Nezumi Pro where the pen appears to flick off to the left by about 100-200 pixels before snapping back to where my cursor is actually positioned, creating these long, thin, perfectly diagonal lines leading back to my "actual" line. Has anyone had problems like this before, and are there ways of disassembling the rechargeable pen to see if there's anything going on inside? I'm hoping to not have to drop another $30 for a new one.

I'm looking at $15-20 here, are you in the U.S.? I was spoiled by my Monoprice stylii, although those seem to have skyrocketed in price recently. Idk, I'm just glad to not pay Wacom stylus prices. I can't imagine using them for travel.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Koramei posted:

For budget options, depending on how sturdy you need it to be, the Huion H610 Pro is a better tablet but can be a bit more finicky (I was having issues with the USB cord on mine for a while, although now I have it set in a place where it never moves it's been fine), whereas the cheaper Wacom options like this one are gonna be a bit more portable and easier to set up (plus Wacom stuff like pens that don't need recharging) but not as good for drawing functionality (although still probably more than fine for drawing maps and stuff).

Keep in mind that, whatever tablet you go with, it's gonna feel weird for a while until you get used to drawing on it, so don't get discouraged by that.

I eventually had to superglue mine to keep it in place. I'd still pick it over a similarly priced Wacom, but that's mostly because I need space when I draw.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Wowporn posted:

I can't decide if the discount on the clip studio paint EX upgrade from pro is worth it to buy, how helpful is it outside of the additional comic page management features? My kneejerk reaction is that I should get the upgrade while it's on sale but the last time it happened I just wasn't sure if it was worth it so I never did

I love EX and could never go back to regular. Page management is a life saver. Ymmv though.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013
My Surface is pretty great, but the battery drains like crazy in hibernate. I had it in my bag for two days and it's dead now. If it's overnight I have maybe 20% battery power. Is this normal or should I talk to Microsoft?

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Grizzled Patriarch posted:

What's the go-to tablet for an absolute beginner that just wants to get into digital artwork without selling a kidney? I see a pretty huge price range, from sub $100 all the way up to thousands, and I'm assuming the former are not worth considering, so what should I realistically be looking at? I'm not 100% sure it's something I'd stick with, so I don't want to drop a ton of money out of the gate, but I also enjoy other art mediums enough that I'm fairly confident I'll like it, and if the difference between a frustrating hunk of poo poo and a really sturdy, reliable tablet is only a couple hundred bucks, that's probably worth it.

edit: Also, at least at first, I'll probably be hooking it into a laptop, and I already have an Adobe CC subscription, if that makes any difference.

Graphics tablets that don't have a screen are old technology at this point. This is a good thing as more companies have entered the market and tablets are just easier to produce now than they were 18 years ago. This is reflected in the price of many of the tablets on the market. Wacom (industry standard and used to stand head and shoulders over absolutely everything else) keeps a premium on their tablets in that size/technology range. The Huion can do almost everything that Wacom can for less than 1/3 of the price. If you're looking at a Wacom tablet without a screen, you're better off saving until you can get a tablet with a screen.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Cephas posted:

How much of a game changer is it to have a bigger tablet? A few years ago I received a Wacom Intuos Draw, I think it's 6x8 inches. I can make art with it, but it's extremely time consuming because my lines come out really inaccurately. I'm wondering if a larger tablet will make it easier to draw since the scale would be more realistic (and maybe allow for more arm movements vs. wrist movements?)

is this a tool problem or a "get good" problem?

I guess the first question is- how do you typically draw on paper? Do you sketch on really big newsprint pads or do you use a 4x6 mini sketchpad? If you tend to draw larger, a small real estate increase might help you, but graphics tablets get unwieldy quickly.

The other problem here is that while the cost of pressure sensitive touchscreens have gone down while competitor non-screen tablet quality has gone up, the cost of an Intuos has stayed the same. A large Intuos pro goes for about $400 while an iPad is really only $100 more than that. There is the tradeoff of parallax and a smaller screen size, but it may feel way more natural to draw on an iPad than the giant overpriced Intuos. I'm not sure what sizes Huion does, but they might be worth looking at.

I never fully got the hang of using a tablet and life felt much better when I finally got a tablet with a screen, but that may not be an option.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013
Guess who finally arrived at the party!

Wacom finally made an affordable screen tablet. I'd say "good job" but I haven't used their products in years.

$400, not sure how it stacks up against other screen tablets.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

I'm so glad that I own a Surface.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

NeurosisHead posted:

Can you expand on that a little bit? I'm looking at getting into digital art, and have a surface pro already. What apps and utilities do you use?

It was a bad attempt at a joke on Microsoft and privacy, but I adore my Surface. I've only really used Clip Studio with it though. Costco has a good deal on it right now and while extended warranties are a scam 99.99999% of the time, SquareTrade or whatever it is through Costco might be worth it.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

cloudy posted:

FYI you don't have to get an iPad pro to use the apple pencil. You can go with a much cheaper model while she's still young. Just double check on their website which iPads work with which generation of apple pencil!

Alternatively a cheap tablet and a laptop combo has just as much or more functionality. But the mid-range iPad route would be much cheaper.

There's also the issue of whether the kid is more interested in just art or whether they want to learn Photoshop as a part of learning how to do art. There are a TON of amazing art programs out there that work better than Photoshop for drawing or painting.
I think the iPad is the best option- it has a screen but isn't as expensive as a lot of other choices and you get loving PROCREATE, something that I'm jealous of even with a much more expensive Surface.
I'll also argue that the quality of life upgrade to a tablet with a screen is well worth the price tag. You can even get a refurb regular iPad if you want, it doesn't have to be the latest iPad Pro that just rolled off the assembly line.

I can guarantee the kid is absolutely going to lose her mind when she sees what Procreate can do, regardless of how new or fancy the iPad is.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Gameko posted:

Some really good suggestions in here. Thanks everyone. I think I'll go with the regular old ipad and a compatible pencil, or maybe one of the old ipad pro models w/ pencil if I can find one cheap for some reason.

When it comes to apps I personally use procreate and have used photoshop in the past (I'm a hobbiest ONLY). To my mind, Procreate is intuitive enough that you don't really need classes to grasp the technical concepts, you can just kind of toodle along and learn as you go. I was thinking I could get her some photoshop classes because I'd like to give her the opportunity to really dig into some of the more digitial art specific technical concepts, and I figured photoshop classes would be the easiest ones to schedule for her. Personally I like some of the other apps like clipstudio better than photoshop just for the cost, but mostly I was making a choice based on the options for getting instruction.

Might be the best option is to go with Ipad + procreate and let her get used to that, then I can look into a more techically geared art app and classes in a year or two when she's ready for the next step.

The problem with getting her into Photoshop classes is it's only going to work if she really wants to learn Photoshop. It's not as good at painting as painting programs and there's just so loving much of it. I'd let her tinker with it for a few days, talk about some of the things it can do and its importance as a skillset, and ask if she wants to go all in on it.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Leng posted:

I've had luck finding that model second hand, so you might be stuck buying another complete unit instead of just a replacement pen?

Given the cost of those pens it's not going to cost much more to buy both.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013
Alright, so I'm looking for a screen tablet for my desktop that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. My Windows Surface has been great over the years and if there's a way to hook that screen input up somehow I might just go with that. What are my options? I'm looking at the XP Pen Artist 12 right now.

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Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Star Man posted:

You're out to lunch if you think traditional materials are more expensive than a device that retails for two thousand dollars.

There's more than one way to dump two grand on art supplies.


Hamelekim posted:

Hi,

I've starting drawing again, last time was in 2015. I'm going through an online art program this time around not just self study and I'm wondering about using a tablet or wacom device for practicing things line line quality, accuracy, shape, and perspective. I know that physical media feels different than digital and that supposedly going from digital to physical is more difficult than going physical to digital, but for the basics, beyond rendering, I would like to not waste paper to build muscle memory.

Also I bought a wacom cintiq 24 pro so I guess I'm going to be using that regardless. I'm just wondering what percentage I should be focused on digital vs physical media for learning to draw well. Perspective seems like something that would do better on a tablet in many ways.

I haven't found much online in terms of learning the basics on a tablet so I'm hoping someone has an answer here.

There's no magic ratio of physical:digital. You need to try a lot of things, learn from them, and find your jam. Probably your best counterbalance to your tablet right now is some charcoal and cheap newsprint for making big messy drawings on. You're going to waste materials, it's a part of learning how to draw.

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