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Jacobus Spades
Oct 29, 2004

Wowporn posted:

Manga studio/clip studio works fine with my surface pro 1, although just yesterday my power cord starting smoking and almost set my couch on fire because of a small tear near the ac plug so beware that maybe

Yeah about that...

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Jacobus Spades
Oct 29, 2004

How's the performance in Clip Studio on the iPad Pro? Are there any arbitrary limitations that aren't on the desktop version?

Jacobus Spades
Oct 29, 2004

Neon Noodle posted:

Sketchable is cool and good. There's also great app with infinite drawing canvas called Mischief ($15).

I'd strongly suggest buying Clip Studio Paint for her when it goes on sale. When I was a young teenager I had access to Adobe Photoshop and started messing around and learning to use it. It was a HUGE benefit to start learning real professional software at a young age. Nowadays CSP is becoming the industry standard for comics/manga/digital illustration. Photoshop is still important, obviously, but CSP has a much lower barrier to entry because it costs $45 or less for a perpetual license.

I'll second this. I've been using CSP for about a year and a half and I absolutely love it, not to mention that it's a bargain compared to other similar options.

Jacobus Spades
Oct 29, 2004

sigma 6 posted:

Trip report:

In love with my Surface Book 2. No complaints except having to buy the pen separately. Except for that it is amazing. Battery life is really impressive, mostly because it seems to scale so well between 1-4ghz depending on demand. Doodling in zbrush on the screen and seeing the CPU rarely get past 1.8ghz was awesome. Keyshot is the only thing which comes close to maxing it out.

Weird quirk is resolution. Older apps look terrible due to ridiculously high res (4k) so I have to keep switching between resolutions depending on what I am doing. Minor thing though because the screen is gorgeous and I really can do almost anything on it with no noticeable lag.

Still trying to figure out the best way to use it though. Tablet mode blocks the keys and makes it hard to use zbrush or any painting program due to lack of shortcuts.

Is there a vertical mouse with programmable buttons? Or a wireless hand keypad / gameboard you guys recommend? (The logitech G13 is too much money / features and not wireless.)

I've been using a Nintendo Switch Joycon controller paired via bluetooth and JoyToKey to map shortcuts to on my Surface Pro 4. Works like a charm and is doubly convenient since I already own a Switch. Someone made a simple tutorial if you want to check it out.

Jacobus Spades
Oct 29, 2004

Dogwood Fleet posted:

My Surface is pretty great, but the battery drains like crazy in hibernate. I had it in my bag for two days and it's dead now. If it's overnight I have maybe 20% battery power. Is this normal or should I talk to Microsoft?

If it's actually entering Hibernate it shouldn't be draining the battery particularly fast... I couldn't find an official source on what the standby time actually is but there are some diagnostics/settings you can mess with to see if it improves anything.

First, you can generate a report through the Command Prompt that will give you some detailed information about battery drain. Open the start menu and type "cmd" to bring up the Command Prompt option, then right click on it and choose "Run As Administrator". Once open type "powercfg /sleepstudy" to generate the report, this will save an HTML file to your c:\windows\system32 folder. It contains a bunch of information that will probably be of minimal use to you, but right at the top you can see an Android style battery usage chart, and beneath that you can see a list of state transitions. You should be able to confirm whether or not your system is actually entering Standby/Hibernate and how much battery power it's using during that time.

As far as settings to tweak, if you right click the battery icon in the system tray (lower right, you may need to click the arrow if it isn't shown) and click "Power Options" you'll be taken to where you can modify the power and sleep settings for your device. Click "Change Plan Settings" under the "Selected Plan" header and you'll be greeted with options on when to sleep the system. You can tweak this if you wish but the Hibernate settings are a bit deeper. Click the "Change advanced power settings" link beneath the Display/Sleep options to open up yet another window, this one with a number of options. There's two to check: Under "Sleep > Hibernate After" you can change when the system goes into Hibernate (it might be pretty high by default); under "Power Buttons and Lid" you can modify what action the system should take when you single press the power button or flip the Type Cover onto the screen, respectively.

Hope that helps.

Jacobus Spades
Oct 29, 2004

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

Tell me goons, are all SP4s this bad, or is mine hosed? Because I decided to draw a few lines using a ruler to test out the jitter, and I could practically surf on those loving waves.



Compare that to the Lenovo I use at work, and even drawn at a crawl it is pretty drat acceptable:



It's the same in all apps.

The answer is.... maybe. The N-Trig digitizer used in the Surface Pro line tends to have a much more pronounced stair-step effect over other types of digitizer tech, however this an intentional(?) trade-off for more accurate per-pixel cursor tracking and decreased parallax.

I did try the "ruler" test on my SP4 just now though, and while I feel like these types of tests don't accurately reflect real world usage, I did notice that my results weren't as pronounced as yours. I'd say if you notice your productivity dipping because of jittery lines or something that you might try RMA'ing it, but in my experience I don't really notice it too much, at least not enough that it negatively impacts my work.

Jacobus Spades
Oct 29, 2004

Xun posted:

uhhh my wacom tablet is doing this



Is that bad??

Late to the party but that is absolutely the battery and it is at risk of catching fire if it's that swollen. If you haven't done so already you should contact your local waste disposal facility to see if they're able to take it or can direct you to a place that can. Do not throw it away with other garbage as this could cause the battery to combust. In the meantime if you have the option you should store the device in a place away from other flammable objects.

Jacobus Spades
Oct 29, 2004

lllllllllllllllllll posted:

Thanks for the info, gmc9987, that's what I was looking for.550$ is a lot of money. Hm, I will give this some more thought. She already has a Android tablet and I just found out that there is a 27$ "S Pen" which is probably compatible with her Samsung Galaxy tablet from 2016. Getting this might be the cheapest way to have her draw digitally. Maybe I'll try that. Thanks all! :)

lofi posted:

What tablet does she have? IIRC, the s-pen is for the 'Note' series (I have one, it was cool till it had a magnet-related-accident!), so check compatibility. The good news is that the s-pen is awesome for drawing, and there's decent android drawing apps for only a few bucks.

Samsung actually uses the S-Pen moniker for the Galaxy Note, "Galaxy Tab A with S-Pen", Galaxy Tab S, and Galaxy Book lines of devices. They're technically intercompatible since they're all Wacom tech but some of the tablets don't have digitizers at all so.... yeah, check compatibility.

Jacobus Spades
Oct 29, 2004

Macksy posted:

Anyone know how the microsoft sufaces are for digital drawing and painting or any other brand equivalent? I need something that I can take around with me that can use photoshop/clip studio and other non tablet app programs. I'm just looking for something I can easily lug around with me that works with a stylus that is atleast as good as older model wacom pens, if not as good as the modern ones.

As someone who's used several generations of Microsoft Surface (1st, 4th, and 7th) as well as several generations of their pen (Wacom, 2nd Gen N-Trig, and 3rd Gen N-Trig/MPP), the latest Surface Pro with the latest pen on up-to-date firmware is easily the best Surface drawing experience and some of the best all-in-one computing for the price. The line jitter that plagued earlier generations is almost completely gone now, and while I still have to turn on line stabilization from time to time I'm honestly surprised at just how much work I've been able to do without it, and how much improved the performance is in general over my Surface Pro 4.

If you do decide to go with a Surface Pro I'd strongly recommend one of the Core i7 models. The Core i3 and i5 models have decent performance on paper, but they use passive cooling which suffers huge performance drops when the system heats up under load. The Surface Pro X also has performance issues related to its use of an ARM based CPU which, while much better this generation, still struggles to run most x86/x64 based illustration software.

Alternatively, if you're not married to Windows you might look into the newest models of iPad. I've only spent a little time with them but the drawing experience is also extremely good for a non-Wacom product.

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Jacobus Spades
Oct 29, 2004

sigma 6 posted:

Why don't they have this for your right hand?!? I can't seem to find anywhere that has a right hand version or even anything similar for a right handed person.

There is this though https://www.newegg.com/logitech-910-002864-g600-usb-wired/p/N82E16826104674
... Which is great for the programmable keys but not ergonomic and not wireless.

Perfect thing would be right handed (I draw / paint with my left) wireless, ergonomic mouse with about 10 programmable buttons. Does this thing exist?

It's not really what you're describing, but for something that's similar in function to the Logitech I've been using one of these (the Pro v2) for a while to draw and it works pretty well with decent build quality. It's also ambidextrous.

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Jacobus Spades
Oct 29, 2004

Hamelekim posted:

Hi,

I've starting drawing again, last time was in 2015. I'm going through an online art program this time around not just self study and I'm wondering about using a tablet or wacom device for practicing things line line quality, accuracy, shape, and perspective. I know that physical media feels different than digital and that supposedly going from digital to physical is more difficult than going physical to digital, but for the basics, beyond rendering, I would like to not waste paper to build muscle memory.

Also I bought a wacom cintiq 24 pro so I guess I'm going to be using that regardless. I'm just wondering what percentage I should be focused on digital vs physical media for learning to draw well. Perspective seems like something that would do better on a tablet in many ways.

I haven't found much online in terms of learning the basics on a tablet so I'm hoping someone has an answer here.

I think the main reason traditional media is recommended for beginners is that there's a direct correlation between your technique and the result. With digital work your tools can cause issues that lead to errant input like line jitter, cursor offset, unintended strokes, and palm rejection failure. This isn't such a big issue for an experienced artist but for a learner you may pick up bad habits trying to compensate, such as drawing quick, imprecise strokes instead of slow, deliberate ones.

A reasonable compromise might be to dabble in both so you can bring proper technique to your digital work and recognize when the technology is making mistakes and not you.

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