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Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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Would definitely visit.

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Oct 17, 2008

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8472428.stm

Oh, Pompey :(

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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It may not be good news though as he owns everything from Fratton Park to the team crest and got the club following previous chap defaulting on payments to him on money he'd loaned the club.

Things can only go upward though. Here's hoping this is the start of something ace.

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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The same goes for West Ham and Gold/Sullivan and their ridiculous "We all know people earn vastly inflated wages in football, next season we're looking to our staff to help us cut 25% from their wages, or we'll be more than £110m in debt."

It all sounds sensible and may work in the real world, but not in the footballing world and not when you're club's in the premiership. Every member of the playing and backroom staff facing a wage cut could get a taxi to another club who'd pay them the same or more.

It's sad but it puts into perspective our own frugal spending and Coppell working with Madj to make sure the club ran to break even or turn a small profit. Sure it cost us premier league football and a direct return to the premiership, but we're financially healthy, while there are teams around us who are gambling with their existence and £100m of debt.

I do feel for Pompey. Sixty something million in debt, running another million into it every week, soon to be staring relegation with six points on the clock and near zero space to recover those debts yet alone break even without substantial investment for the next couple of years. It doesn't look good. :(

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Oct 17, 2008

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Mickolution posted:

Can't blame Schmeichel. As others have said, he's not all that good and how many promising youngsters have we seen drop out of the game entirely or just go to the lower leagues. Why not either make as much as he can before either of these happened? Also, I assume he, like everyone else thought they had loads of money when he signed, so what's the harm in that?

That's the twist, when he signed that contact he was told the club was blinged out and he'd be there for years, helping them climb the ladder.

Now the ownership's gone he may be helping push the club into administration, but no one in that situation is going to turn down 18k a week and go for a mutual termination for morality reasons, when the alternative is a prolonged bout of unemployment followed by a hugely slashed wage to re-sign at about the same level and probably not get first team football.

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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The other thing is that players which leave on a free transfer outside a window can't sign again till the next window. The only way they're nerfing his wages it to get him to agree to a reduction.

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8522283.stm

Love the panicked comments about how this will rule transfer windows pointless and such. Apparently 90% of football fans have only started taking an interest since the windows came in and don't remember a world where football wasn't absolute anarchy because teams could buy players whenever they wanted.

Is there even a good argument as for why the windows exist anyway?

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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Briatore just quit QPR

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/q/qpr/8525530.stm

"How much have I spent so far? And we've won the champion's league how many times? We've at least beat Chelsea, right? ...What? I thought you said we were in the championship?! gently caress this, I'm out."


Avram Grant has apparently not been paying attention to the news and is livid that Pompey want to sell players.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8524881.stm

But it doesn't matter anyway because Pompey are pretty much poo poo canned :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8522283.stm



Bonus lolquote

606: DEBATE posted:


They simply cannot grant this as it will open the floodgates...

famouszukeeper

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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Are Inter at risk of pulling a West Ham with that much going out?

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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Don't know if anyone else caught this from the Guardian today, but 18 Prem clubs are in total about €4bm in debt, which is 56% of Europe's footballing debt and four times the debt of the next big owing league (La Liga). Man Utd and Pool are €1bm in debt between them. West Ham and Pompey didn't count for the stats because neither were granted UEFA licenses due to their horrific financial problems.

More worrying though are the incoming Financial Fair Play rules in 2012-2013, which require clubs to break even. Debt isn't considered in this, but it probably means teams like Arsenal could finish 16th in the Prem and still qualify for the Champs League.

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Oct 17, 2008

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Jollzwhin posted:

They can't really 'do a Leeds' because that implies they are a big club like Leeds were/are. Pompey overspent massively and paid the price for it, that's all.

This. The bottom line is Leeds can pull in 40,000 at Elland Road while Pompey have 20,000 Fratton Park. There are plenty of teams in League 1 and 2 with bigger grounds, more fans, more history, etc.

That FA cup is going to cost Pompey two relegations and a long time at that level or there about.

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Oct 17, 2008

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Lyric Proof Vest posted:

I think it's more he has a reputation so clubs that are gambling with their future decide to bring him in as a sign of their intention to step up.

This. He's been known for his wheeler-dealer rep for plenty long now. Has he ever taken over a club and then not preceded to spend $ on bringing in half a dosen new faces? I think it's probably just unfortunate that these chairmen often have the money for the initial spend, but are blinkered to the idea that they may not make that step up as soon as they'd like.

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Oct 17, 2008

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Luigi Thirty posted:

So theoretically if Pompey are still in administration but operating and can't enter the Football League next year, where do they go? The Conference? Will they make an exception for a club being relegated from the EPL rather than promoted from the Conference?

I'm not sure it'll happen because of potential to earn money, they're having a smidge of that right now. Anyone remotely sane wouldn't have put a penny into them at any point of this season, but several people have invested millions hoping for some kind of dead cat bounce. If they're in a Chester situation though they'll be thrown out of the league and won't find anywhere to go. No one wants to throw money at a dead club, so then they'll be liquidated to pay debtors.

As they slide down though it becomes so simple to slip off the charts. By time you hit conference level you get sad stories like Chester City from only days ago, where the club was expelled from the league and faces winding up for only £26k.

In short, Pompey are in real trouble. They won't end up playing Worthing in the Unibond league, but realistic they are a championship side with £70m of debt who are staring a second points deduction in the face.

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Oct 17, 2008

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8544183.stm

Portsmouth are to return to the High Court on Tuesday after Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs challenged the club going into voluntary administration.

:ohdear:

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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One day when I win the lottery I am going to pay £300k for Pompey for shirt sponsorship. For the following 12 months the players and fans will find themselves wearing this shirt (I had the boys in R&D knock this preview up)


Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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I don't know what to think anymore, part of me thinks it must have been building for a fair while, but part of me wonders how they'd have convinced anyone to buy the club if the books said "Owe a bajingo million quid, losing millions a month, no real assets as we haven't paid for any of the players we've brought in yet, short term prospects = need mo money"

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MoPZiG posted:

Financial-Fairplay rules have been delayed.

quelle surprise

We all know it'll now get delayed till 2018 and then promptly forgotten about. UEFA will never green light these rule changes while they'd pretty much exclude 90% of top flight teams in most western leagues.

You'd end up with a Bari vs WBA champs league final.

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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Transport in London costs a loving bomb. I hate it when you realise you need to get a taxi home, so a night out now costs an additional £30. On a day to day basis, a couple of tube rides will cost you about £5/£6, but if you use an Oyster it'll be capped at that.

I have no idea if it's more or less than elsewhere though, aside from Brighton which is only a bit cheaper, but it's within the commuter belt, so it isn't really fair comparison.

Totally agreeing with what everyone else says about money too. I have no idea how people on or near minimum wage work and live in London.

As far as tickets go, isn't it also worth taking into account the size of stadiums and demand? Wigan may be cheap compared to Arsenal, but it's not like they're turning people away.

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bigfatspacko_uk posted:

gently caress off it costs me £2.20 to get into the centre of Bristol :mad:

I don't think anywhere south of London counts as the north.

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willkill4food posted:

If anyone is interested in the actual numbers, I found this for London vs. Manchester vs Edinburgh: http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/economic_unit/case_for_london/costofliving_report.pdf

Now you just have to find out how much income differs to see how much disposible income differs.

No idea where they're drinking, but I'm pretty sure I got a round for five people in Edinburgh and had change from £10 at xmas. That's probably closer to £25 in almost everywhere in London outside spoons.

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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I find it quite sad that more people turned up for the Cardiff protest than signed up to the Pompey supporters trust. I don't want to throw the bigger club badge around, but one of those two teams has had about 30x the ammount of press coverage that the other has. Have Pompey fans really all thrown in the towel?

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Oct 17, 2008

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Jose posted:

Chester have been wound up.

http://football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_6013536,00.html

Dear Chester City,

I could have saved you, but your kits were poo poo so I didn't. In future get better kits if you want people on the internet to buy you.

Love,
Bacon x

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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There's going to be six clubs left in the English league system by next March at this rate.

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Oct 17, 2008

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1258847/P-Diddy-lining-shock-bid-Crystal-Palace.html

P.Diddy is deciding what team to buy. He was looking at Portsmouth, but apparently prefers Crystal Palace's name. That he was even looking at Portsmouth proves how awful an idea this would be if it's true. Secondly he's only worth £300m, I have a feeling the window would open and he'd be all "What the hell man? Who's this Bellamy? Why we buying him for £5m? We need to get this Redknapp dude back. How much? gently caress that man, I did a image search and prefer the Louise one, get me her number."

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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"This is my boy Sean Paul, he's just dropped his new hit single. I thought y'all have some love for him, so I be giving him number 69 and he's going to be starting up front with Beckham when we play Grimsby City in the FA cup. Half time he's going to do some mad free styling wit Beyonce. This is a once in a lifetime deal, so we're setting ticket prices at £85. Each seat comes with a free limited edition cup for yo diddy'ade."

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Oct 17, 2008

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Straight out dis city
Y'all can call me diddy
Givin cheddar back to
my one love white and blue
Remember the days old times
back in the projects
rocking a busted lip
and a short set
Used to only wear my kit after dark
Cos niggaz be hating on that Selhurst Park
Harlem nineteen nineties
Only man reppin the Shipperley
Went down to Brighton
Got in a rumble at a casino
shortstacks hating on a man
Wit four vehicles

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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Apparently there will be no second thoughts on a rescue package for Pompey and they're not expecting to see any offers (because anyone doing so would be insane).

Where the hell does that leave them now?

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Oct 17, 2008

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greazeball posted:

And what's the story with the cup final putting a bunch of members of the team over a certain number of games played, triggering bonuses, so they're not going to play their first team in the final?

Pretty much that. I understand the players have all agreed to not take payment from their contracts, regarding performance bonuses, but there are issues with some players and their clubs still. Grant seemed pretty bullish after the semi win, where he declared there wouldn't be any problems as he couldn't picture teams telling players they couldn't play in a cup final. But I think he's playing the twat card with a "Well, we've got no money so we can't play the clubs. But if they really don't want to see these lads play in cup finals it's on their heads."

I can see the players on loan having the fee zeroed, because it is good experience. But I can't see clubs who are probably still owed money for transfers by Pompey going "You know what? We're never going to get that £4m you still owe us for him, so what's another £500k? gently caress it, we'll throw in some diamond encrusted helicopters to get you to Wembley."

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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There's news!

Paper talk posted:

Pompey were refusing to pick the 29-year-old Ivory Coast striker again because one more appearance would trigger a clause that forces his loan deal to turn into a £4million permanent move.

After a personal plea by Dindane, Lens have now accepted a £200,000 payment to waive their right to the fee.

Nice to see they found £200k for the fee the same day they announced the £119m debt.

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Oct 17, 2008

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Does that mean Tottenham paid for Begovic and Kaboul, but Begovic preferred to go to Stoke, so Pompey let him go to Stoke for £3.5m while charging Spurs £1m for him?

Jesus Christ.

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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Ireland

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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Because he lived here for thirty odd years. I've met more than one old Jamaican who's been over the moon to finally get a passport having spent 4/5ths of his life in London.

The reason Al-Fayed couldn't get a passport was because he swooped in and bought half of the shares of the house of fraser, then they snapped up all the rest the following year. Unfortunately him doing so stopped old soap Tiny Rowland from acquiring Harrods. Dude in question is a proper old school member of the upper class back patting set. As a result Tory and Labour MPs opposed Al-Fayed's attempts as getting a passport. Partially because in 80's Britain the idea of a foreigner coming in and buying up all that is British was a little bit scary, but mostly because MPs are cunts.

Speaking of people being bought, it would later transpire that one of Tiny's companies had produced the docu which said Libya weren't responsible for Lockerbie. Which is a shame because he had sold a % of his interests to Libya and everyone knew it was a Libyan.

So, there you go: The reason one of the greatest Brits in recent history has never been granted a passport is because he pissed off a government funding wanker businessman, who it transpired had been in the pockets of mass murderers.

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Oct 17, 2008

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guardian posted:

It really is incredible but since the Glazers took over they have wasted £437m in fees and interest, more than the total ticket revenue (£398m) for the full five-year period of their ownership," said a MUST spokesman. "Every single penny we've spent on our tickets over their five-year ownership has been wasted. Or to put it another way, every one of us could have attended every match free of charge for the last five years and on top of that the club could have given every season-ticket holder £700 each – and would still have been no worse off."

Didn't realise man utd were quite so hosed. Also that they'd rejected £1bn and £1.5bn bids from the middle east. Football is absolutely loving broken, I wish everywhere resembled the german leagues now.

Bacon of the Sea fucked around with this message at 08:51 on May 20, 2010

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Jose posted:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/26/premier-league-uefa-financial-fair-play

Should probably post this here seeing as its pretty important.

I look forward to seeing the teams placed 8th, 13th, 16th and 20th in the 2011/2012 season representing England at the following season's champion's league.

Hell, let's be honest: Chances are it'll be a Championship side, one from Div.2 and two from the Conference in the champ's league that year.

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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I look forward to seeing English clubs playing with 48 sponsors on each shirt.

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Oct 17, 2008

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8707231.stm

Pompey attempt to escape administration by offering their creditors 20% (over five years).

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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Premiership clubs may be all living in fear, but what about Real? Surely they can't stand as a non-profit social trust who just skip over their debts now?

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

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Man Utd fans have to go on strike, form a picket line around OT and beat the gently caress out of anyone who tries to go past them to attend a match.

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Oct 17, 2008

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When man u are finishing 6th and the gold mine's gutted.

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Oct 17, 2008

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Panorama disciver man utd are in fact more than £1.1bn in debt.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/mobile/uk/10237268.stm


I guess the real reason they want to keep hold of man utd is cos they can keep transfering their personal debts to the club, safe in the knowledge that if it folds they will owe creditors nothing.

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