Football Finances, come laugh at portsmouth

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Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

Scikar posted:

I'm beginning to think it might be a good thing if the club did a Leeds. The EPL and FA would be forced to act to stop such hosed up takeovers happening to clubs and I'd be able to afford to go to matches again if I moved back to the northwest.

Difference is Leeds had no assets so they could pay pennies in the pound to their creditors (such as St Johns ambulance) and start a new club. If United did the same they'd probably have to sell everything including Stadium, training ground, intellectual property etc

# ¿ Jan 11, 2010 23:00

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# ¿ Apr 20, 2024 00:07

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

Lyric Proof Vest posted:

Now onto the big one, The Champions league. I was pretty stunned when i found out just how much money this is worth, no wonder clubs gamble their existence on making it there.

Apparently the TV is so skewed that the big clubs clean up regardless of how far they go, For example when Porto won it, United got more TV money than Porto even though they were knocked out in the round of 16.

quote:

It's not like Everton weren't allowed into the tournament as they wouldn't be now, they hosed up the qualification.

Made difficult but our first UCL qualifying round being Vs eventual semi finalists Villareal instead of FC Moldova or whatever.

Adnar fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jan 12, 2010

# ¿ Jan 12, 2010 16:34

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

MoPZiG posted:

They really could write a west-end play about our fortunes since returning to the premier league in 2005. 'From Cup Final to Court Battles, from Tevez-gate to Ashton-ate etc.'

Orlando Bloom should buy them

# ¿ Jan 13, 2010 05:53

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

They're not well liked but they did run Birmingham pretty responsibly no? They're not going to dump in 200million but they'll invest just enough to keep the club alive which is a pretty big bonus for West Ham.

# ¿ Jan 19, 2010 18:09

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

TyChan posted:

I was talking about the idea that buying any club in West Ham's situation is not necessarily a good business move, but it's a move you do out of love for a club and the desire to keep it alive.

This was kinda how every club changed hands until the last 20 odd years.

# ¿ Jan 19, 2010 18:14

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

I wonder if some ways Leeds were saved by the "living the dream" poo poo happening 10 years ago rather than say 3-5. They probably could have gotten themselves in a lot deeper and it seems like they bottomed out (welched) cleared their debt and if they come up in 5 years will probably be better off financially than any of the big clubs.

# ¿ Jan 20, 2010 18:00

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

Outrespective posted:

Yes being owned by Ken Bates is being saved.

Well it kind of is because he has no shame in ripping off people that was owed money by the clubs. Technically they're a different club altogether (Leeds United 2006 or something) and are clearing 10million profit a season.

# ¿ Jan 20, 2010 18:43

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

The Perfect Element posted:

Wouldn't this mean that teams would be changing their names every couple of years? It doesn't sound very stable to me. . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Saints_F.C.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2010 18:59

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

It's really lucky Hull got that unexpected promotion (and stayed up) eh?

# ¿ Jan 22, 2010 01:14

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

At least Pompey already have a suitable stadium for the Unibond league

# ¿ Feb 19, 2010 01:19

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

Bovine Delight posted:

20 point deduction in the Championship, everyone gunning for Pompey scalp and what remains of the team is going to be sold off. Loans will all end. Wonder if Pompey will pull a Leeds? Seem likely.

Leeds have a decent stadium and 40,000 people coming every week. Pompey don't.

# ¿ Feb 25, 2010 18:47

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

w00bi posted:

So if Liverpool doesn't start adjusting or making preparations for it right now, and indeed they don't make the CL, then it's possible they might go down a similar road?

Leeds took out loans against ticket sales and TV money for making the Champions League every year for 20 years including making the semis every couple.

It's completely different to not get the money for a couple of years Vs having already spent it for 20.

# ¿ Feb 28, 2010 00:25

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

how does Chelsea make so much more than Liverpool on matchday? double ticket prices or do they have THAT much more corporates?

# ¿ Mar 2, 2010 04:24

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

Bit harsh bringing Ashton into it.

# ¿ Mar 2, 2010 06:52

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

quote:

Lawyers told the court that Portsmouth's debts stood at �86m, �8m higher than the figure given by the administrator on Sunday. They valued the squad at �21m, �17m less than the estimate of the chief executive, Peter Storrie, last week.

I can't believe the club owe that much.. it means they were in debt like 160 million before they sold all the players? Anyone else think they're going to uncover some mass fraud or theiving when this all comes out in the wash?

# ¿ Mar 2, 2010 20:21

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

apart from loss of Beer sales, how much would a boycott actually hurt the bottom line? Most of these tickets have been long sold as season tickets.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2010 02:56

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

willkill4food posted:

I meant in terms of morality and general likeability.

Stealing billions of dollars of your own impoverished countrymen is ok?

# ¿ Mar 4, 2010 19:25

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

willkill4food posted:

And is Roman's rise any worse than Hicks who did it via leveraged buyouts and destroying Corinthians, or than the Glazers who did it by getting public money through their NFL franchise?

are you serious?

# ¿ Mar 4, 2010 20:03

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

jesus willkill4food, at least read about it before you defend it.

Berlusconi is the kind of person you're thinking of, shady and sorted himself out with a lot of dodginess in his time but not systematically stealing his countries natural resources and having people killed.

# ¿ Mar 5, 2010 01:30

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

Jollzwhin posted:

It's grim oop north!

When I went to Sunderland with Everton, it was hilarious how everyone kept going on about how grim it was and why would anyone want to live in this poo poo hole. Apart from it coming from the mouth of some pretty poor looking scouses, we hadn't actually been anywhere apart from the motor way and the stadium. Love an indoctrinated stereotype

# ¿ Mar 5, 2010 17:44

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

Flayer posted:

If you don't have an Oyster card it probably costs a bomb though.

It's something silly like 4.50 a trip no?

# ¿ Mar 6, 2010 01:01

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

MoPZiG posted:

I didnt say Southampton surely there is a difference?

The difference is they are friendly enough to use their stadium. Supporting a football club is about history and identity, not having a place to see ball be kicked around.

Are you able to drink beer from terraces in non league / non epl football? I imagine for some playing at Fraton Park with big crowds in a poo poo league would be a pretty popular novelty for a few years.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2010 16:49

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

Would love LOVE if United brought out a green and gold away strip next season, completely ruining the protest tactic.

# ¿ Mar 23, 2010 16:06

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

Is Fulham a heavy loss making club these days?

# ¿ Apr 2, 2010 00:13

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/apr/12/questions-portsmouth-remain-unanswered amazing poo poo

# ¿ Apr 13, 2010 16:04

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

quote:

insinuating a business motive was behind purchasing the club.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2010 04:09

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

DickEmery posted:

Turns out they are "doing a Leeds" then.

more likely doing a Chester City

# ¿ Apr 20, 2010 22:02

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Riiight

Newcastle won something

I think a lot of this is intangible "value" no? How could City's income jump that much from being destitute a couple of years ago

# ¿ Apr 22, 2010 12:33

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Well, they won relegation.

(This is based on 08/09, idiots. Newcastle are still that high up because of Premiership income, both in gates and in TV money)

do you really miss out on that much if you're only out of the EPL for a year?

I wonder the lower wages and same support aswell as being able to sell a bunch of Champions tshirts might not make things too bleak.

# ¿ Apr 22, 2010 21:23

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

Can Joe Hart be recalled?

# ¿ Apr 25, 2010 17:12

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

brapbrapbrap posted:

Pardon?

You a time traveller from the 1950's or something?

# ¿ Apr 26, 2010 02:23

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

MoPZiG posted:

People cant get enough football right now. I dont understand why the Championship couldnt have a more robust international TV deal of its own.

the football refuse to break it apart from the rest of the football league

# ¿ May 19, 2010 20:16

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

quote:

Nike sell around 2m United shirts each year

holy loving poo poo :monocle:

# ¿ May 27, 2010 05:17

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

the most expensive season ticket for Barca is only 700 euro (580 pound)

That's incredible.

# ¿ Jul 6, 2010 14:26

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

Healbot posted:

Yeah sorry, I kinda forgot to translate Napoli.

it's one of those places that I sound like a complete douche when I talk about it due to football I don't think I've ever said Naples or Seville or Turin

# ¿ Jul 6, 2010 17:32

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

Dear Sergio posted:

excellent observation woobi. some of those salaries are absolutely shocking though, eto'o only on 8 million and ribery on 14 million.

Mark Gonzalez

# ¿ Apr 22, 2011 14:30

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

Blue Unions response to Everton Boards accusations:

http://www.sos1878.co.uk/everton-news/blue-union-statement-a-means-to-an-end/

# ¿ Sep 2, 2011 09:17

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2051618/What-agent-Willie-McKay-doing-Doncaster-Rovers.html

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Take one struggling Championship club, a crippling wage bill of �8million a year, then bring them a host of new stars to get them promoted to the Barclays Premier League. All for 100 quid.

Doncaster Rovers are attempting to change the landscape of British football, turning the Keepmoat Stadium into the most prolific bring-and-buy sale in history.

International stars will come and go quickly, sold on to the highest bidder as Doncaster provide the shop window for some of Europe�s disaffected or disillusioned players. Rovers fans will cheer on new heroes from Lyon, Saint-Etienne, Lorient and Marseille, barely getting used to their names before they are moved on for big money.

Doncaster are cutting through the core values and customs of English football, convinced that the old-fashioned principles will soon be a thing of the past.

Pascal Chimbonda, Herita Ilunga and Chris Kirkland have already been on the Keepmoat conveyor belt, but that�s just the start. Fabien Robert, brother of former Newcastle winger Laurent, Saint-Etienne left back Sylvain Monsoreau, France Under 20 defender Lamine Kone and Argentina midfielder Sebastian Dubarbier will soon be on show. El-Hadji Diouf, a free agent after leaving Blackburn, and former Real Madrid and Lyon midf ielder Mahamadou Diarra are also in talks with a team second from bottom of the Championship.

So how is it all coming about?

Well, Doncaster have a watertight contract for the next two years with the most notorious � and arguably most successful � agent in British football.
Willie McKay is the middle man acting on behalf of Doncaster, charging them just �100 a week for his services, having lodged his plan with the FA on September 27. The FA�s financial regulation officer Andrew Penn wrote back to McKay in a letter dated October 6 accepting his proposals and rubber-stamping the Donny Dream. That contract with Doncaster and the FA means that nobody can come in or out of the Keepmoat Stadium for the next two years unless McKay says so, although he says manager Dean Saunders has the power of veto.

McKay makes no bones about his business model, taking advantage of unlimited international loans and working the European transfer market to maximum effect. He intends to make money � serious money � out of Doncaster and in return give them the best group of players their 10,000 loyal supporters have ever seen. They just won�t be there for long. There will be agreements with clubs all over Europe, borrowing their troubled players and giving them the platform to perform at the highest level again.

Donny will pay a maximum of �2,000 a week towards a player�s existing salary, relying on the parent club to pay the difference in their contract during their loan. McKay said: �Take Herita Ilunga as an example. He�s on �26,000 a week at West Ham, not getting a game and they can�t get him a move. I called the joint-chairman David Sullivan and offered �1,000 a week to take Ilunga on loan. David laughed and said, �Make me a sensible offer�, so I said, �OK, �500�.
�Anyway, eventually we agree the deal on �2,000 a week and West Ham make up the rest of his wages. We take him at Doncaster, who are no threat to West Ham, and give him a shop window to perform by playing every week.

�If he plays well and I get him a move, say to Turkey for �5m, then I�ll reach an agreement with David Sullivan about the fee West Ham will receive, plus my commission, less his full �26,000-a-week salary for the period he was at Doncaster.� As well as benefiting from the player�s performances, Rovers will receive a cut of the transfer fee.

..............

It's all a bit soulless but I guess at least it's upfront..

# ¿ Oct 26, 2011 10:47

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

Why do the photo captions on The Swiss Ramble always make me so angry??

# ¿ Oct 31, 2012 12:16

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# ¿ Apr 20, 2024 00:07

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/nov/28/forgotten-story-albert-pape-united

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Later that week Stacy Aumonier, a celebrated writer of short stories, contributed an astonishing article to the London Evening Standard. It was remarkable mainly because, with the exchange only of a couple of proper nouns, it could be reprinted in its entirety today and still seem relevant.

"Football has now developed into a degrading commercial spectacle," he huffed. "Players requiring no birth or residential qualification are bought over the counter like sacks of beans. If the richest club fails to come out top of the league it must be that the directors are bad business men. There is nothing else to it.

"It is a most astonishing mystery why 40,000 people should collect on a football ground in London and shout themselves hoarse with enthusiasm for a team which labels itself Chelsea, or Arsenal, or West Ham, or Fulham, when everyone knows that these teams are almost exclusively made up of Scotchmen or Lancastrians, who have never been to Fulham or West Ham, never heard of Woolwich, never eaten a Chelsea bun! They might just as well label themselves Hampstead, or Honolulu. Where is the esprit de corps, the tribal sense, the love of one's soil, which is the very essence of sport?

"The whole game is riddled with corruption and the worst kind of shoddy commercialism, because it has ceased to be a sport, and remains only a spectacle."

1925.

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