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Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


It's been a few years since I last talked to any of the relatives, but if I work up the courage to do so I'll pass along the thoughts. Thanks friends.

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compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!

Frosted Flake posted:

I know a guy who was on the SAR crash of their new Sikorsky a few years back.
Hereís hoping the government learned from that one:

Their immediate response was to blame the aircrew, but it turned out they had not purchased either a simulator or spare parts so those guys were considered qualified after a few days in the UK on their sim and had basically no training hours. lovely loving reason to get guys killed.

That wasn't a Sikorsky. Believe me, Cyclone crews get a substantial amount of sim training: there are two sims on-site in Shearwater. There's a lot of recurrent training, and you can go and sign one out on your own time if you wish as well.

MA-Horus posted:

They got the CVR and FDR already, wonder what the gently caress happened.

Edit: Condolences Guest.

As in how did they get the data recorder already? It self ejects on impact or immersion in salt water. It's the orange disc you see on the tailboom.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

As a religion, bilingualism is the god that failed. It has led to no fairness, produced no unity, and cost Canadian taxpayers untold millions.

compressioncut posted:

That wasn't a Sikorsky. Believe me, Cyclone crews get a substantial amount of sim training: there are two sims on-site in Shearwater. There's a lot of recurrent training, and you can go and sign one out on your own time if you wish as well.

My mistake. Iím glad the Cyclone program is running better. I hope thatís a sign that hosed up CAF procurement is improving and not putting guys in needless danger.

Does anyone know if there will be a repatriation ceremony or if we can show support on the Highway of Heroes? Iíd like to pay my respects when these guys come home. I feel so helpless about this situation.

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!

Wing Commander said yes, there will be, albeit not a usual ramp ceremony due to the lockdown. I should think lining the highway would be just fine. Keep in mind they haven't recovered the other five, who are probably still in the helicopter.

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006

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Frosted Flake posted:

My mistake. Iím glad the Cyclone program is running better. I hope thatís a sign that hosed up CAF procurement is improving and not putting guys in needless danger.
I think you were referring to the Comorant, which was AgustaWestland. I also confused 413 Sqn with 442, so let's share the dunce cap!

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

As a religion, bilingualism is the god that failed. It has led to no fairness, produced no unity, and cost Canadian taxpayers untold millions.

mom and dad fight a lot posted:

I think you were referring to the Comorant, which was AgustaWestland. I also confused 413 Sqn with 442, so let's share the dunce cap!

Thatís the one. What a loving tragedy. The SAR community is incredibly close and theyíre still reeling from that crash.

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006

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Frosted Flake posted:

Thatís the one. What a loving tragedy. The SAR community is incredibly close and theyíre still reeling from that crash.
I was a kid living in Greenwood when the CH-113 Labrador explosion happened back in '98 (sadly also 413 Sqn). We were good family friends with one of the SARTECHs that died. I know the incident hosed up a lot of people, and I can only imagine how awful it was to go through that again eight years later.

mom and dad fight a lot fucked around with this message at 22:25 on May 1, 2020

SuperSix
Aug 22, 2012


Through the grapevine Freddy's boat was the first one on scene. Just horrible. The boats crew better get some good support after this. Can't imagine what they're all going through.

SuperSix fucked around with this message at 23:49 on May 1, 2020

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

As a religion, bilingualism is the god that failed. It has led to no fairness, produced no unity, and cost Canadian taxpayers untold millions.

Jesus. Hopefully theyíre in good hands.

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!

Most everything in the news has been inaccurate - the report from the Greeks has kind of made it unclear. Yes, Freddy was first on scene. Smoke markers were going off at the point of impact.

RCAF has shared pics from the flight deck ceremony today. The story wasn't passed on though - they piped flying stations, and tried to establish comms with the aircraft. When there was no answer, they secured flying stations and went below for drinks. They're coming alongside ASAP to meet DFS and all the support, and the det is coming home.

SuperSix
Aug 22, 2012


compressioncut posted:

Most everything in the news has been inaccurate - the report from the Greeks has kind of made it unclear. Yes, Freddy was first on scene. Smoke markers were going off at the point of impact.

RCAF has shared pics from the flight deck ceremony today. The story wasn't passed on though - they piped flying stations, and tried to establish comms with the aircraft. When there was no answer, they secured flying stations and went below for drinks. They're coming alongside ASAP to meet DFS and all the support, and the det is coming home.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.



compressioncut posted:

The story wasn't passed on though - they piped flying stations, and tried to establish comms with the aircraft. When there was no answer, they secured flying stations and went below for drinks.

I'm not quite parsing this. This was done during the ceremony?

If so...gently caress. That's awful.

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!

MA-Horus posted:

I'm not quite parsing this. This was done during the ceremony?

If so...gently caress. That's awful.

Yes.

stevobob
Nov 16, 2008

Alchemy - the study of how to turn LS1's into a 20B.


That's heavy. Wow.

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014


I'm applying to med school next cycle and was considering the MOTP for the free tuition and stipend. What's the catch?

SuperSix
Aug 22, 2012


ToxicAcne posted:

I'm applying to med school next cycle and was considering the MOTP for the free tuition and stipend. What's the catch?

You're in the military

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

As a religion, bilingualism is the god that failed. It has led to no fairness, produced no unity, and cost Canadian taxpayers untold millions.

Civies donít have rear end, Dick and Feet as a medical speciality.

Lassitude
Oct 21, 2003



ToxicAcne posted:

I'm applying to med school next cycle and was considering the MOTP for the free tuition and stipend. What's the catch?

I interviewed for medical school this year, was in the CAF and I know a girl who did MOTP. The catch is mostly that it's pretty competitive, you're paid army wages and you owe the CAF years of your time after the fact. Also, while other med students are having their summers off, you're working for Mr. Trudeau. That said if you stay in for the long haul, someone did calculations that I saw a ways back and came to the conclusion that the pension makes it worth it, but in the interim you won't be making the kind of money civvie doctors make. And they have only so many types of specialist they're interested in, so perhaps not useful if you want to get into ob/gyn or what have you. I'd also add that there are other options for funding and not to feel compelled to go this route out of financial need necessarily. Oh, and also, yeah. Another catch is that you're in the CAF. It's not for everyone.

In any case, you need an offer of admission before you can apply of course, but if you head down to your local recruiting office they can give you some more materials. Good luck with your application.

Lassitude fucked around with this message at 10:25 on May 3, 2020

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


The best way to milk those plans is by already being in IMO. Knew some people halfway through their contract that got accepted. 4 to 7 yeas of getting a salary instead of going into debt for school, and the next 5 years will take you to immediate $100,000/yr pension at which point you start up a private practice. Two of them were ROTP as well so by the time it's done, half their career will have be free school and training courses.

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!

Guest2553 posted:

The best way to milk those plans is by already being in IMO. Knew some people halfway through their contract that got accepted. 4 to 7 yeas of getting a salary instead of going into debt for school, and the next 5 years will take you to immediate $100,000/yr pension at which point you start up a private practice. Two of them were ROTP as well so by the time it's done, half their career will have be free school and training courses.

When I was civvy U UTP, we went to quarterly update gatherings with all the regional people in subsidized education including doctor trainees. One year they lost three right at the end of their residencies because some hospital snatched them up and paid off their obligations. And if there is one thing I have learned in 18 years in this organization, everyone has far better lawyers than we do, so it was pretty seamless for the docs.

The system may be even more ripe for taking advantage of than most know. There's probably some sort of restricted release scheme a la pilots now, but see my point about lawyers above.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

As a religion, bilingualism is the god that failed. It has led to no fairness, produced no unity, and cost Canadian taxpayers untold millions.


Glad people were still able to come out for these guys.

My Spirit Otter
Jun 15, 2006


CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

im definitely not going to get charged for not doing this essay, i hope. it came from a Hotmail account so im just gonna say "if cafcds@hotmail.com emailed you asking for classified info would you just email it to them? I figured it was a data-phising scam and we're taught to be diligent"

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.



Just write a bunch of words about how beers in the mess are too expensive or why the LS is greatest vehicle procurement process in Canadian history

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

As a religion, bilingualism is the god that failed. It has led to no fairness, produced no unity, and cost Canadian taxpayers untold millions.

MA-Horus posted:

why the LS is greatest vehicle procurement process in Canadian history


But we have so many to choose from!

Canuck-Errant
Oct 28, 2003

MOOD: BURNING - MUSIC: DISCO INFERNO BY THE TRAMMPS

Grimey Drawer

Frosted Flake posted:

But we have so many to choose from!

Not all of them have caught fire when stationary though

My Spirit Otter
Jun 15, 2006


CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

they're not letting us attend the ramp ceremony tomorrow. Which is disappointing but understandable.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock



compressioncut posted:

Most everything in the news has been inaccurate - the report from the Greeks has kind of made it unclear. Yes, Freddy was first on scene. Smoke markers were going off at the point of impact.

If by "first on" we mean "at the"

https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/hmcs-fr...fence-1.4923588

quote:

Crew members on board a Halifax-class frigate personally witnessed last week's helicopter crash that killed six Canadian Armed Forces members off the coast of Greece, the Department of National Defence has confirmed. The revelation Monday follows initial military reports that the Cyclone helicopter was missing after contact with HMCS Fredericton was lost, suggesting the aircraft was far from the warship when it went down in the Ionian Sea. It also comes as the Forces prepares to hold a ramp ceremony on Wednesday for those on board the Cyclone even though the remains of five of the fallen have not been recovered and identified.

Defence Department spokesman Daniel Le Bouthillier confirmed to The Canadian Press that some of the crew on board HMCS Fredericton watched as the Cyclone helicopter went into the water while returning from a NATO training exercise. Le Bouthillier did not say how many crew members saw the crash nor did he say how close the helicopter was from the frigate at the time. However, he said "as part of their investigation, the flight-safety investigation team will conduct interviews with these eyewitnesses."

Nofeed
Sep 14, 2008


My Spirit Otter posted:

they're not letting us attend the ramp ceremony tomorrow. Which is disappointing but understandable.

Just arrived in Trenton last night, we're delayed leaving due to the ramp ceremony. Would certainly have liked to have been able to show support in some capacity, but alas. Understandable as you say.

Also, lol at not having accommodations booked for us in advance when we got here. Army of the West hoorah!

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!


Yes that's correct. The implication there was that they were first to take action because they were closest.

Still a lot of assuming in these reports, and the commentary by "experts" at various news sources has been useless to bizarre.

We'll all know at least something shortly with the data at NRC.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock



compressioncut posted:

the commentary by "experts" at various news sources has been useless to bizarre.

Which is pretty standard, and boo on me for reading anything at all into what they say

Or reading what they say at all

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!

I haven't noticed anything malicious, just clueless. It keeps the story in the news and there has been little info from the CAF.

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!

This article is pretty good https://ottawacitizen.com/news/nati...3-cdc0adff5c3b/

At least as far as information that is available.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.



My buddy just released today after nearly a decade of the forces continuously refusing to post him so he could live with his wife where her education wouldn't go to waste.

Dude's been in for 15+ years and gave them more than enough chances to make his family whole. loving sucks to lose a solid tech and, personally, the first friend I made when I posted in. Guy was my mentor and had my back when I was in a bad headspace last summer.

That's a tragic failure of institutional leadership, imo. They lost a qualified soldier with years of corporate knowledge and get nothing in return, all because they wouldn't give him a no-cost move.

What a lovely time to leave, too.

My Spirit Otter
Jun 15, 2006


CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

absolute dipshit idea to release in a pandemic. If his contract didn't expire, he ain't getting EI

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006

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It took my father nearly 23 years to get posted to where all our family ties are. Then after 3 years they posted him back to loving Winnipeg so he went alone on I.R.

Thankfully his next posting was back to where all our family is, and he retired there a few years later. Not as bad of a story as your buddy, but definitely another object lesson in the "tough poo poo" mentality.

My Spirit Otter
Jun 15, 2006


CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

was your old man posted to the air base or army base, because one of them would be alright the other would've been added cock.

ill let the reader decide which is worse, but its the army base.

Katana_Warrior
Dec 25, 2009



Hey thread, my industry is currently imploding and I'm once again thinking about joining the navy. Past the lack of funding, bad leadership, and postponed recruitment appointments, is there any reason why it'd be a bad time to do that now? I don't have a family.

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006

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My Spirit Otter posted:

was your old man posted to the air base or army base, because one of them would be alright the other would've been added cock.

ill let the reader decide which is worse, but its the army base.
Air, and I'm glad I knew enough back then to count my blessings.

Actually the military brat life was pretty great. We moved around about every 3 years and I got to see a lot of Canadian diversity. If I had to do it again, I wouldn't really change anything.

My Spirit Otter
Jun 15, 2006


CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

Katana_Warrior posted:

Hey thread, my industry is currently imploding and I'm once again thinking about joining the navy. Past the lack of funding, bad leadership, and postponed recruitment appointments, is there any reason why it'd be a bad time to do that now? I don't have a family.

nothing wrong with suckling the government teat.

my paychecks didn't stop coming(if i didn't get back in 5 months ago, i would probably be homeless)

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My Spirit Otter
Jun 15, 2006


CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

mom and dad fight a lot posted:

Air, and I'm glad I knew enough back then to count my blessings.

Actually the military brat life was pretty great. We moved around about every 3 years and I got to see a lot of Canadian diversity. If I had to do it again, I wouldn't really change anything.

ya, i too, was a brat. we only got posted twice though. we never went anywhere fun. my mom had the balls to get posted to germany when i was in my 20s.

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