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Hizawk
Jun 18, 2004

High on the Lions.


It's amazing in both how far the CAF has shifted it's culture in the thirteen years I've been in and yet how absolutely far away it is from achieving it's objective at the same time.

It was so staggeringly toxic even thirteen years ago that when I was describing the common culture as an infanteer back in 08' my wife was horrified at the stuff I was describing.

And how we're still nowhere near where we should be.

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mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006

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The "it's not happening in my unit" attitude is not only wrong, it's long served as the excuse to keep one's fingers in their ears.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.


Joining the reserves two years ago coincided with the first time I heard the word 'retarded' out loud since like 2010 I want to say?

Hearing Afghanistan vets talk about "fighting age guys" was also a trip.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.



Hell there was a MBdr in my unit who made it a point of pride to gently caress at least one female candidate on every course he instructed on. The guy instructed on at least 5 DP1 arty courses at Pet between 2003-2010.

A girl I joined with who went to have a very distinguished career (went reg force MP, airborne, 2 tours in Afghanistan) recently made a Facebook post about the sexual harassment being a major reason for her early retirement.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock



MA-Horus posted:

Hell there was a MBdr in my unit who made it a point of pride to gently caress at least one female candidate on every course he instructed on. The guy instructed on at least 5 DP1 arty courses at Pet between 2003-2010.

A girl I joined with who went to have a very distinguished career (went reg force MP, airborne, 2 tours in Afghanistan) recently made a Facebook post about the sexual harassment being a major reason for her early retirement.

That's a short list; I probably know her, and without knowing her name I will blindly confirm all of her claims because holy gently caress

Vadoc
Dec 31, 2007

Guess who made waffles...




Yep.

acumen
Mar 17, 2005


Fun Shoe

The rampant infidelity and treatment of women disgusted me enough to contribute to my release, but I definitely didn't do anything to stop it - not that I probably could have anyway. The CF is long overdue for a reckoning.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Hizawk posted:

It's amazing in both how far the CAF has shifted it's culture in the thirteen years I've been in and yet how absolutely far away it is from achieving it's objective at the same time.

It was so staggeringly toxic even thirteen years ago that when I was describing the common culture as an infanteer back in 08' my wife was horrified at the stuff I was describing.

And how we're still nowhere near where we should be.

The Petawawa hazing scandal was in 1995:

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1995/01/23/Disgraced-airborne-regiment-disbanded/5605790837200/

Twenty-six years ago.

...yeah itís a problem with deep roots.

acumen
Mar 17, 2005


Fun Shoe

Mine was the first "new guy party" in ages at the 3RCR shacks (only a decade after that) and while we didn't have to literally eat poo poo, being forced to funnel beers until you puke then funnelling some more until you puke again (repeat for a few hours) then slip&sliding down a beer and broken glass-filled hallway would probably be considered pretty abusive by... literally anyone.

I distinctly recall a guy who singled me out and threatened to rape me (I'm male). We ended up being good friends later on but it's just that casual violence and abuse that was the norm, not to mention the racism. Which, again, wasn't overtly hostile in the "we actually hate you because you're brown/black" way, but the jokes and stereotypes that would be unacceptable in any workplace since the 90s.

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


I'd have to go back to ye olde tymes of 2017 to remember the last time I overheard some officers casually tossing around some (hard-r) n-words.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.



I remember how excited dudes my unit were to go crack some native skulls when the Caledonia occupation started.

It's almost like it's a toxic environment of mainly white men!

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


Not just! I also had a non-white NCO tell me he "could harm [his female platoon commander] sexually" in the mid aughts

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock



"I just prevented another rape" is definitely a thing that master corporal MPs should be saying after they allow a woman to walk past and out of earshot

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it

Grimey Drawer

Today after fixing his car, I mentioned it to my grandpa who served for 20 years from around the 70's-90's in the medics corp, and he said it was really freaking bad (and this is from a sometimes mildly racist and occasionally bigoted person). Like he told me had a chief WO who made it a point of pride to change up his wife every few years with whoever the cutest new private or corporal was, and that's just what he mentioned offhand.

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006

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I was waiting to post this one, as I hadn't realized that it (quietly) hit the media circuit already.

https://inquinte.ca/story/fallen-soldier-arrives-at-cfb-trenton-sunday

Edit: It is a very lovely situation, and I hope his family is doing okay.

mom and dad fight a lot fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Mar 21, 2021

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sexual-assault-allegations-vice-admiral-haydn-edmundson-1.5963430

If these allegations are true, this is just loving awful. 19 years old.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock



Let's fix it with another, increasingly-exasperated "we're here to support you" email

My Spirit Otter
Jun 15, 2006


CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

lmao, at this point we should just fire everyone and start fresh

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.



Just go full Stalin and purge the officer corps

not like we have any wars to fight

stevobob
Nov 16, 2008

Alchemy - the study of how to turn LS1's into a 20B.



What a horrible article. I can't imagine being confined on a ship, being assaulted, and having literally nobody to go to, in the whole organisation. loving hell

Attire Irony
May 5, 2009


Low recruiting, bad retention, and purging everyone who did a sex crime?

Sounds like a big wave of upward mobility is coming on the O side

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Attire Irony posted:

Low recruiting, bad retention, and purging everyone who did a sex crime?

Sounds like a big wave of upward mobility is coming on the O side

Iím reminded of that scene in the Simpsons where all the admirals recuse themselves from Homerís trial because theyíve been involved in scandals.

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Canuck-Errant
Oct 28, 2003

MOOD: BURNING - MUSIC: DISCO INFERNO BY THE TRAMMPS

Grimey Drawer

So what do disgraced officers do once they leave the CAF - oh no

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