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ChiTownEddie
Mar 26, 2010

Awesome beer, no pants.
Join the Legion.


d0grent posted:

Protest The Hero have new videos on their myspace page about the upcoming album.

Here's the first one:
//vimeo.com/12473761

Awesome, thanks! I really can't wait for their new album.
Also I saw Tera Melos in Chicago a while back. Effing great show imo.

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JesusDoesVegas
Jul 8, 2005

The Funk Ambassador

Ambuletz posted:

i've seen some great bands posted, I have lots but let's see some international math rock:

good idea/bad idea (spain, mathy post hardcore-ish)
lobster (portugal, power duo)
billy chocolat (france, insane)
nuito (japan, awesome, totally unlike te or toe)
LITE (also japan)

and these dudes from oak forest, freudian slip, sign me up for 5/4 and 7/4, please!

America: Rumah Sakit; SWIMS; Them, Roaring Twenties; HEY!TONAL; By the end of tonight; auto!automatic!!; Sleeping People; dakota/dakota; ahleuchatistas

holy cow there are more, but this is the only music I really listen to these days. It's probably why I'm so crazy. HEY!TONAL is cool because:


edit: i thought i checked well enough, i posted a couple repeats

Oh god its like you just listed all of my favorite bands of the genre in one convenient place. Add Piglet to that list too!

Math rock is interesting because it really isn't a real genre. Bands like The loving Champs, Pinback, Pattern Is Movement, or Battles wouldn't really be considered mathy, but they seem to fit well when played next to/are compared to more mathy bands like Hella or Doncab. Really I think its just a progression of prog, but stripped almost completely of improv.

What's great about this genre though is nobody is a real rock star. They are all poor schmucks who aren't at all famous, because they play a type of music that is completely unmarketable. Every band I've seen that would fall into this category has been cool enough to sit down and bullshit music with me after/before the show, or trade messages on myspace/facebook. I had a pretty embarrassing "starstruck" moment with Sleeping People once though. They are my all time favorite. I had been messaging one of them on Myspace before the show, and they were cool enough to put me and a buddy on the list. After the show, the bassist and guitarist invite us to the back to hang out. I am normally a very sociable talkative guy, but I could hardly stammer out a full sentence. Keep in mind these guys haven't showered in days and have been living in a van, but to me they were legends of rock, up there with LZ, or the Beatles. When I did begin to speak, the words came so fast, they must have thought me a crazy person. Good times.

Eight Is Legend
Jan 2, 2008


Has rooftops been mentioned yet? Because they rock: http://www.myspace.com/rftps

dantheman650
Jun 2, 2009



Hitlazers posted:

Not a drummer, I do this, enjoy it immensely, that guy can eat a dick. Also, Toe are amazing, even though the concept is essentially "we'll play this nice little song while the drummer shows off". They're probably leaning a bit more to post-rock though. Basically if you like 65daysofstatic you'll probably like Toe.


Just reading through this thread for the first time and wanted to say thanks for this recommendation. I'm really enjoying the Toe album I got, For Long Tomorrow.

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005

You don't belong in this world!

So what the hell happened to Minus the Bear between their last album and Omni?

d0grent
Dec 5, 2004



Eight Is Legend posted:

Has rooftops been mentioned yet? Because they rock: http://www.myspace.com/rftps

Thanks for this, you were right.

Pyroxene Stigma posted:

So what the hell happened to Minus the Bear between their last album and Omni?

I forgot this came out, haven't even listened to it yet. Is it watered down?

Rageaholic Monkey
May 31, 2005

"What do you fear
most in the world?"

"The possibility that
love is not enough."


d0grent posted:

I forgot this came out, haven't even listened to it yet. Is it watered down?

Very. I only listened to it once right when it came out because there was nothing to keep me coming back for more.

You could tell they were trying to ditch the math-rock and move towards a more straight-rock sound with the last album, except just about every song on the last album was good and very memorable for me. I still listen to it frequently.

Omni was just mediocre overall, I thought. None of the songs stuck with me (except for My Time), and it wasn't really the type of the album that I wanted to listen to multiple times in hopes that it might get better after a few listens through it.

Pogobubba
Jan 3, 2010


I listened to this album a lot in the week after it came out to prepare for a concert I went to. It started out disappointing and did not improve at all. I was hugely disappointed because up until then they were the only one of my favorite few bands who were still releasing good music.

Also, am I the only one who was shocked when I realized Dave Knudson of Minus The Bear was the guitarist in Botch?

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Pogobubba posted:

Also, am I the only one who was shocked when I realized Dave Knudson of Minus The Bear was the guitarist in Botch?

Nope. I had been listening to both bands for at least like five years and seen Minus The Bear live during that time, and I only just found that out earlier this year.

apophenium
Apr 13, 2009

I am a real boy.


Lots of good recommendations in this thread. Have to add my own.

BATS. They're from Ireland. They're classified as post-hardcore and they tend to stick to usual time signatures, but all the instrumentation is very intricate. They also talk about crazy science stuff. It took me a little while to get over my hate of these types of vocals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdREC0eLp0A

They recently opened for another neat band called And So I Watch You From Afar. They're more instrumental post-rock, but with crazy guitar parts and some weird time signatures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGzPMIRUKzY

apophenium fucked around with this message at Oct 30, 2010 around 23:01

d0grent
Dec 5, 2004



Pogobubba posted:

I listened to this album a lot in the week after it came out to prepare for a concert I went to. It started out disappointing and did not improve at all. I was hugely disappointed because up until then they were the only one of my favorite few bands who were still releasing good music.

Also, am I the only one who was shocked when I realized Dave Knudson of Minus The Bear was the guitarist in Botch?

Wow, didn't know that. But on the other hand Botch's bassist Brian Cook is in These Arms Are Snakes and Russian Circles and they both kick rear end:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOQmc9A4kcA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm5AzUXCFfo

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



d0grent posted:

Wow, didn't know that. But on the other hand Botch's bassist Brian Cook is in These Arms Are Snakes and Russian Circles and they both kick rear end:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOQmc9A4kcA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm5AzUXCFfo

See, I knew that the guy from These Arms Are Snakes played in Russian Circles, but I did not know that he was also the guy from Botch. This thread blows minds.

Also, I had never heard Russian Circles until I saw them this year opening for Cave In and Boris, but they indeed do kick rear end. They would be a pretty interesting, if somewhat generic, post-metal band, but their drummer is absolutely off the loving chain and brings the entire band up by like several levels.

Pogobubba
Jan 3, 2010


LtKenFrankenstein posted:

See, I knew that the guy from These Arms Are Snakes played in Russian Circles, but I did not know that he was also the guy from Botch. This thread blows minds.

It is worth your time to take a couple of your favorite bands and check out the other projects of their members. I recently did this for Porcupine Tree, a prog rock band, and found all sorts of good music ranging from drone metal to jazz fusion.

Ambuletz
Sep 7, 2006
I love my brother very much.

Saw that this thread had been bumped since my last post, here ya guys go:
please forgive any repeats.

37500 Yens (france, hard)
Antarctic (best thing to come out of florida)
Cheval de Frise (france, like chocolat billy)
Chevreuil (france, think repetitious like battles)
elks (wow)
fago.sepia (like a french Toe, these guys are incredible)
Fork in Socket (woo)
Giraffes? Giraffes! (awesome, dancy, awesome)
Lana Avacada (ok, the vocals are loving terrible, just ignore them)
Lye by Mistake (jazzy as hell, sick!)
Noumenon (if you like rooftops, this chicago group brings the party sound)
Roo (good stuff)
Tenebre (like 33.3, lots of slide tap)
the one up downstairs
the reptilian (loving awesome midwest math with a punk feel)
trinitron meets the mars people (yes yes yes yes)
Upsilon Acrux (hectic like Sleeping People, more melodic)
Verbal
We are Knives
We Followed Tigers
We Versus the Shark
You May Die in the Desert
Wrestling Club
The Bulletproof Tiger
Bellini
Colossal
Polvo
Fever Sleeves
Slint (beginnings of math rock)


I found most of these on blogs. Delicious....

d0grent
Dec 5, 2004



apophenium posted:

Lots of good recommendations in this thread. Have to add my own.

BATS. They're from Ireland. They're classified as post-hardcore and they tend to stick to usual time signatures, but all the instrumentation is very intricate. They also talk about crazy science stuff. It took me a little while to get over my hate of these types of vocals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdREC0eLp0A

They recently opened for another neat band called And So I Watch You From Afar. They're more instrumental post-rock, but with crazy guitar parts and some weird time signatures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGzPMIRUKzY

This needs love. Both of these bands are total keepers. And So I Watch You From Afar is pretty post rocky, but they absolutely KILL it in the rhythm section.



Ambuletz posted:

Saw that this thread had been bumped since my last post, here ya guys go:
please forgive any repeats.

37500 Yens (france, hard)
Antarctic (best thing to come out of florida)
Cheval de Frise (france, like chocolat billy)
Chevreuil (france, think repetitious like battles)
elks (wow)
fago.sepia (like a french Toe, these guys are incredible)
Fork in Socket (woo)
Giraffes? Giraffes! (awesome, dancy, awesome)
Lana Avacada (ok, the vocals are loving terrible, just ignore them)
Lye by Mistake (jazzy as hell, sick!)
Noumenon (if you like rooftops, this chicago group brings the party sound)
Roo (good stuff)
Tenebre (like 33.3, lots of slide tap)
the one up downstairs
the reptilian (loving awesome midwest math with a punk feel)
trinitron meets the mars people (yes yes yes yes)
Upsilon Acrux (hectic like Sleeping People, more melodic)
Verbal
We are Knives
We Followed Tigers
We Versus the Shark
You May Die in the Desert
Wrestling Club
The Bulletproof Tiger
Bellini
Colossal
Polvo
Fever Sleeves
Slint (beginnings of math rock)


I found most of these on blogs. Delicious....

Echoing the love for Giraffes? Giraffes! and Antarctic. Gonna check out the rest of these bands cause I'm sure I'll enjoy most of them

d0grent
Dec 5, 2004



Protest The Hero have another update on their page, this time for vocals. Looks like they're bringing back the chick from Kezia! Check it out:

//vimeo.com/17820844

Sugar Shack
Jul 23, 2007

You'll never get my $20 bill, ASSHOLE!

Keiko Tsuda! They're a French math-rock duo that has been around for a couple of years, but I only heard about them recently:

"Mistigri"

Also, they give out their albums for FREE on their site!

wlokos
Nov 12, 2007

...


I recently stumbled onto Sajjanu, they're kinda like Nuito but not as consistently fast and crazy. Everything they do is pretty much all through-composed, very little repetition, lots of weirdness, I think they're on John Zorn's label. It's good stuff, recommended if you like Ahleuchatistas, Nuito, Upsilon Acrux, etc

https://www.myspace.com/Sajjanu

Medical
Apr 16, 2010

by T. Fine


Six Gallery (kind of like an American version of This Town Needs Guns.)
http://sixgallery.bandcamp.com

Native (Chicago post-hardcore with a high math emphasis.)
http://native.bandcamp.com


Highly recommended.

d0grent
Dec 5, 2004



I know I've been doing nothing but pimping this band recently, but Protest The Hero just officially announced their new album:

quote:

Toronto, Ontario – (18 January, 2011) - Protest the Hero will release their 3rd studio album, Scurrilous, on March 22 on Universal Music Canada. Scurrilous is the follow up to the 5 piece band’s Number 1 debuting 2008 sophomore release, Fortress, and reunites the band with producer Julius “Juice” Butty.



Protest the Hero will begin their World Tour with dates in Europe and the UK from January 26 through February 12, supporting Darkest Hour. Following an appearance at Australia’s 2011 Soundwave Festival, the band will begin an extensive North American tour March 23 with support acts Maylene, the Sons of Disaster and Tessaract. The Canadian leg of the tour will be sponsored by D-Tox Clothing.
http://www.facebook.com/protesttheh...&id=55399846073

I've heard that band Tessaract before and I remember them kicking rear end. I'll definitely be picking up tickets when they come around to New England.

ChiTownEddie
Mar 26, 2010

Awesome beer, no pants.
Join the Legion.


Jackpot.
I know where I will be on April 27th.

Thanks for the update, can't wait for the album

d0grent
Dec 5, 2004



I just stumbled on some new songs from Cinemechanica and now I'm really psyched for their upcoming album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkp1QtxGCHg

What do you guys think?

Hooplah
Jul 15, 2006


fuck money
smoke bitches
get trees


d0grent posted:

I just stumbled on some new songs from Cinemechanica and now I'm really psyched for their upcoming album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkp1QtxGCHg

What do you guys think?

Good poo poo. Their new album will kick rear end for sure.

So I'm going to see Deerhoof on Thursday, and it looks like Nervous Cop is opening for them. From what I've read, that's basically just Zach Hill and Greg Saunier (drummer of Deerhoof, tied with Zach for my favorite drummer) doing some kind of drum noise thing, but I can't find poo poo on them doing live stuff. Anyone have any firsthand knowledge of what they're like live? I listened to a couple tracks off the album but it's pretty much non-music; no beat or melody... I'm pretty interested to see how that translates on the stage

e: OH GOD drat IT http://www.facebook.com/sargenthous...181751151857944
looks like Zach Hill broke his foot so he's not playing at all.

FrankenVader posted:

"Math Rock" sounds like the bi-product of the generation of guitarists/musicians that grew up listening to grunge/nirvana in the 90's (when musicianship went down the toilet) and decided that they wanted to do something more "progressive"....but don't have the ability (outside of counting odd time sigs).

So are you really as ignorant as you come across as or did you just post solely to stir up poo poo?

Hooplah fucked around with this message at Mar 4, 2011 around 00:07

frankthetank
Dec 20, 2006

Timmy, fetch me my tools.

Came here to rep the UK. Meet Me In St. Louis (R.I.P) have already been mentioned but their Guilford counterparts, Colour were also pretty amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfJR-3y9-S0

Some members here moved on to become Tangled Hair, which is kind of similar but a bit poppier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQUL9zB9jwQ

Also from the Big Scary Monsters label, Tubelord are pretty sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tf60Aqnj5M

In fact most of the bands on BSM are pretty sick. There are a bunch of labels with this kind of music in England.

FrankenVader
Sep 12, 2004
Polymer Records

"Math Rock" sounds like the bi-product of the generation of guitarists/musicians that grew up listening to grunge/nirvana in the 90's (when musicianship went down the toilet) and decided that they wanted to do something more "progressive"....but don't have the ability (outside of counting odd time sigs).

Medical
Apr 16, 2010

by T. Fine


FrankenVader posted:

"Math Rock" sounds like the bi-product of the generation of guitarists/musicians that grew up listening to grunge/nirvana in the 90's (when musicianship went down the toilet) and decided that they wanted to do something more "progressive"....but don't have the ability (outside of counting odd time sigs).

This is what you sound like.

*only listens to hour long guitar solos*

"The technical mastery. This is art."

*sheds a single tear*

New Battles in May by the way. Wonder how they'll sound as a 3 piece.

cubicle gangster
Jun 26, 2005

magda, make the tea


TheCircus posted:

Also...Sikth anyone?

I cant believe nobody else in this thread has mentioned them.

Scent of the obscene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gYdYMRIA8s

Flogging the horses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7M-IgitPQY

FrankenVader
Sep 12, 2004
Polymer Records

Medical posted:

This is what you sound like.....

...but you know I'm right

Hooplah
Jul 15, 2006


fuck money
smoke bitches
get trees


FrankenVader posted:

...but you know I'm right

Ugh, you are just insufferable. "Math rock" is a very diverse label given to a bunch of different bands that honestly don't have much in common. I really don't think many people like the label itself - I certainly don't like saying it - but to call every musician who makes music under that banner as "not having the ability" is just a ridiculously close-minded thing to say. Especially when there's quite a few bands who cite 70s prog and classic rock like Yes or King Crimson as a big influence of theirs (think about how ironic that is in the context of your post). Oh, and the early 90s were like the heyday for many bands of this genre, like Slint or Drive Like Jehu, and they had absolutely NOTHING to do with grunge; they were loving contemporaries.

http://vimeo.com/12477513
Go ahead and tell me Carson McWhirter has no talent.

d0grent
Dec 5, 2004



Exactly. Calling something math rock is akin to calling something "experimental". It attributes a general idea of style but doesn't necessarily categorize any band specifically. To lump a blanket term like that across such a wide array of bands is ridiculous.

I do agree that there are some bands that use technical wankery as a crutch but that's not limited to "math rock" and it's the bane of many more varieties of complicated music.

d0grent
Dec 5, 2004



Yo, dropping in to say what's up cause I found a loving AWESOME band called Proceed. Check out this song: http://soundcloud.com/proceedband/04-strange-meeting

Cobra Sandwich
Mar 7, 2011


There's a very tasty Irish math rock band called The Redneck Manifesto
Newest release 'Friendship' is ace.

You can check it out here http://theredneckmanifesto.bandcamp.com/

Harminoff
Oct 24, 2005

listerine and mr. green

New track is out from Hella's new album. The boy's are back as a duo, which is awesome because I hate lyrics in my Math Rock.

http://stereogum.com/699351/hella-u...-premiere/mp3s/

In other good news, Giraffes? Giraffes! are working on a new album. They did the Kickstarter thing and hit their goal in just three days. Really is amazing as I didn't think they were that known at all.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...-album?ref=live

Can't wait.

Hooplah
Jul 15, 2006


fuck money
smoke bitches
get trees


Harminoff posted:

New track is out from Hella's new album. The boy's are back as a duo, which is awesome because I hate lyrics in my Math Rock.

http://stereogum.com/699351/hella-u...-premiere/mp3s/

Yeah I'm excited about the new Hella album, but then again I actually liked There's No 666. I kinda got lucky in that respect because it was the first Hella album I listened to and I thought it was awesome. So I didn't have the annoyance/disappointment most people seemed to have had when they heard Hella added new members.

Harminoff posted:

In other good news, Giraffes? Giraffes! are working on a new album. They did the Kickstarter thing and hit their goal in just three days. Really is amazing as I didn't think they were that known at all.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...-album?ref=live

Can't wait.

Well they have like 39,000 listeners on last.fm and they set the goal pretty low. They basically needed 1.4% of those listeners to donate which seems very doable.

d0grent
Dec 5, 2004



Speaking of lyricless math rock, I just checked out the debut S/T from Antarctic. They're signed to Hello Sir Records, the same label as Maserati, So Many Dynamos, and Cinemechanica. Anyone who's a fan of those bands or Rooftops should definitely give them a listen.

-Atom-
Sep 13, 2003

Contrarian Dick

Bad At Everything


Tera Melos is coming out with a tour documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY_8XHJQntU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1TDM5qTptg

redz
Sep 18, 2003

What's a not gay way to ask him to go camping with me?

I donated for Giraffes? Giraffes!, and I can't wait to get that grip of stuff. I have high hopes for the album, we'll see how that turns out.

smell the witch
Jun 10, 2011


Glad to see These Arms Are Snakes are getting some love, but more love is needed for Daughters (cool song here) and Down I Go (cool song here).

Daughters are probably my favourite band right now but since they're fairly popular I'll focus more on Down I Go, who broke up before they get any/much recognition. So give them a try and mourn along with me. The riffing reminds me of Coalesce and the vocalist definitely likes Mike Patton, but overall they're too playful to be heavy.

I really don't see much of a point in worrying too much about labeling the bands to a 'math' genre, considering that Protest The Hero, Don Caballero, ATDI and Meshuggah all count as 'math' bands but they all come from different genres. The "math x" (math rock, mathcore) label I just find useful in telling me these bands all share characteristics that I love (odd time signatures, elements of experimentation, noise), not that they all sound the same. Any band with odd-time signatures and complex structures can be labeled as math, doesn't make them a 'math' band, and saying so denotes they're not interested in anything but technicality. I mean, one of the reasons I like these bands so much is because they're usually so restrained from genres and do their own thing.

snyprmag
Oct 9, 2005



Psychic Paramount's album II is pretty drat amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlV8GQWStSA

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d0grent
Dec 5, 2004



^^^ I'm loving this

-Atom- posted:

Tera Melos is coming out with a tour documentary

I love when that drunk chick calls them "generic" in an attempt to be pretentious . Definitely gonna pick this up, thanks.

smell the witch posted:

I really don't see much of a point in worrying too much about labeling the bands to a 'math' genre, considering that Protest The Hero, Don Caballero, ATDI and Meshuggah all count as 'math' bands but they all come from different genres. The "math x" (math rock, mathcore) label I just find useful in telling me these bands all share characteristics that I love (odd time signatures, elements of experimentation, noise), not that they all sound the same. Any band with odd-time signatures and complex structures can be labeled as math, doesn't make them a 'math' band, and saying so denotes they're not interested in anything but technicality. I mean, one of the reasons I like these bands so much is because they're usually so restrained from genres and do their own thing.

True, the term math rock was originally intended to be insulting.

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