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ARTPUP
Jun 7, 2013

Toalpaz posted:

Folks, I have risk adverse family members looking to invest. I'm thinking about interesting ways to help them feel comfortable and hedged in the market without getting them to devote a large portion of their money to bonds.

I've been looking at long volatility strats unironically, and rolling an OTM option (to keep moving strike and expiry) is inexpensive (300~ dollars a year) but has poor returns (if vxx doubles the contract should make 4x) and requires you to log on and close the hedge in time. It costs like .5% of the portfolio a year and if there is a dump it may return 1.5% in port losses during the dump.

Right now for the portfolio I'm imagining ~50k, is there any way to do this that's less stupid or resources I can look into?

Yeah, this doesn't sound like a good idea... you don't want them to be checking on the markets every day to act or not act, that's a bad habit. Better off to "set it and forget it" for a minimum 10 year timeline. Unless you enjoy having those family members calling you in a panic when the market tanks. Low fee index fund? If they want to buy stocks, I'd look to dividend paying blue chips with maybe half of the $50k in Berkshire Hathaway B shares. Yes, I know Warren and Charlie aren't going to live forever and the stock can fall but over the next 10+ years you should be fine. Right now it's close to book value. My picks would be: Visa (V) & Mastercard (MA) because nobody uses real cash anymore. Coke (KO), cause everybody drinks the stuff. PepsiCo (PEP) for those that don't drink Coke & Nestle (NESN) cause everybody likes to eat food and chocolate. Be sure to note that the market is probably going to crash this year so it could be a time for bargain shopping on blue chips.

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ARTPUP
Jun 7, 2013

And stocks that are not blue chips, good old Vinco Ventures (BBIG) has a 50% gain this week. Interesting to see it bounce up, wonder if holders of AMC and Gamestop are moving to the next meme potential...

SlothBear
Jan 25, 2009

The last I checked into that amc was being denounced as a false hedgie messiah and they were all still waiting on the “real squeeze” for gme.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Toalpaz posted:

Folks, I have risk adverse family members looking to invest. I'm thinking about interesting ways to help them feel comfortable and hedged in the market without getting them to devote a large portion of their money to bonds.

I've been looking at long volatility strats unironically, and rolling an OTM option (to keep moving strike and expiry) is inexpensive (300~ dollars a year) but has poor returns (if vxx doubles the contract should make 4x) and requires you to log on and close the hedge in time. It costs like .5% of the portfolio a year and if there is a dump it may return 1.5% in port losses during the dump.

Right now for the portfolio I'm imagining ~50k, is there any way to do this that's less stupid or resources I can look into?

Chuck it in a managed fund invested in line with their attitude towards risk (or lack thereof). Something actively managed will include hedging and all your relatives will see is a single number. We use a lot of multiblend and real return funds at work for older and more conservative clients and they perform pretty well given the low volatility.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Three-day market weekend coming up!

Perfect opportunity to make a big gamble and watch it pay off on Tuesday after the extra buildup - or pull your money out before the big Tuesday dip!

Or indulge in 24-hour crypto voyeurism by watching your casino picks do jack poo poo.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Was mildly amused to read the inflation news

Back in aug-sept-oct news outlets were quietly publishing/bellyaching over the YoY monthly rate, but were quick to point out the annual average was 3.1% or whatever

This month every article headline news is that YoY monthly rate is 7%, nary a mention of the average annual inflation number. That number is 4.7%

And yeah loving the market this morning, LEAP prices are looking good today, really curious if Tuesday it's a bloodbath or not, but Friday is already looking ok

LLCoolJD
Dec 8, 2007

Musk threatens the inorganic promotion of left-wing ideology that had been taking place on the platform

Block me for being an unironic DeSantis fan, too!
BKSY and RKLB have been getting crushed. I probably should not dip my toes in this pool but it's tempting.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

It says bksy has five employees and 380 million valuation, are those numbers at all correct? Each employee is responsible for 78 million in shareholder value

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


Hadlock posted:

It says bksy has five employees and 380 million valuation, are those numbers at all correct? Each employee is responsible for 78 million in shareholder value

Well all their hardware and buildings have value too. Also the patents and stuff. Anything they own has value and can be sold to get money back to the shareholders if they go under. Not full value but some, it's a floor. (and share holders are the last paid back so have fun there).

LLCoolJD
Dec 8, 2007

Musk threatens the inorganic promotion of left-wing ideology that had been taking place on the platform

Block me for being an unironic DeSantis fan, too!
I'm thinking RKLB if anything, it seems a little less likely to evaporate.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Made more bad decisions, averaging down on 1/2024 $25c $3.00 sofi, pretty sure that's near the (current) bottom, looking forward to losing more money and averaging down further

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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You can just like, buy something else man. Theres a number of other stocks that have been getting poo poo on

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


Hadlock posted:

Made more bad decisions, averaging down on 1/2024 $25c $3.00 sofi, pretty sure that's near the (current) bottom, looking forward to losing more money and averaging down further

Shares exist you know

latinotwink1997
Jan 2, 2008

Taste my Ball of Hope, foul dragon!


drk posted:

I think people shouldnt invest in things they dont understand, *especially* if they are risk averse. Can you really explain your "long volatility strat" in a way that makes sense?

Yea but, I don’t understand the market at all.

Simsandwich
Feb 15, 2007
Holding a quite frankly disgusting amount of AMC CFDs short right now and I think I'll be able to put down a payment on an apartment soon. This game is wild.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

pixaal posted:

Shares exist you know

Yeah I'm still buying about 75 shares a month on top of 2-3 leaps, buying some spy cautiously when it appears to be down

SoFi has been trading near $13.50 for weeks, but that's a new low for that leap

In other news,
JP Morgan ceo apparently did not see jpow jump high enough this week, revised his estimate to 6-7 rate hikes this year, from 4

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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Sold the rest of my TSN shares, looking at maybe selling my XOM and/or WFC shares in the coming weeks depending

movax
Aug 30, 2008

I'm getting into NVTS -- I started designing w/ GaN for power stuff ~10 years ago and it's shown up in consumer land over the past 2 (chargers and stuff) and with EPC not actually going public, it's one of the few non-RF GaN semi plays that isn't already a major one (TI, etc.). Looks like they SPAC'd, but they also got onto NASDAQ at least. I hope they drop some focus on chargers and get to 600 / 1000 V parts for EVs.

I'm just reminded of Transphorm now, but they are OTC...

movax fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jan 14, 2022

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

Sold a bunch of SHOP to take some gains because I think this thing has potential to drop even further as peeps seemingly run for the exits on tech.

(Watch this poo poo rip now)

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

Be aware that Mercury is now in retrograde.

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

loving lmao SHOP ripped into close after I sold, ending up 4% lololol. Wow I’m cursed.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


I believe in LCID long-term but think there's too much to batter it back down to $20ish short-term. I've (gradually, ever since the recent pop over $40) sold down to just 50 shares.

Can't wait for it to moon next week as I'm stepping off the rocket!

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Looks like number is feeling nostalgic for other previous start of trading weeks, harking back to Jan 7 and Dec 17

Whoreson Welles
Mar 4, 2015

ON TO THE NEXT PAGE!
Microsoft just bought Activision-Blizzard.

ATVI :catstare:

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

Whoreson Welles posted:

Microsoft just bought Activision-Blizzard.

ATVI :catstare:

WHoa. Congrats ATVI holders and goondolences to anyone that had bought puts, or sold covered calls on them.

nnnotime
Sep 30, 2001

Hesitate, and you will be lost.
I got very lucky to be holding long on this ATVI acquisition. I read the acquisition price is $95, but stock is currently at $85. Does that mean I should buy more? Or is there risk the deal may not go thru? Might be an opportunity for everyone else who missed it.

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


nnnotime posted:

I got very lucky to be holding long on this ATVI acquisition. I read the acquisition price is $95, but stock is currently at $85. Does that mean I should buy more? Or is there risk the deal may not go thru? Might be an opportunity for everyone else who missed it.

Always risk the deal fails for one reason or a another. You currently have shares, is just made $18 overnight, it will slowly close that $10 gap as the deal becomes final and draws near. Do you want to keep risking that investment? If the deal busts that will crater to some new lows as people exit that were only in for the arbitrage trade.

This Risk 18 for 10 reward is purely what has happened in the last 24 hours and ignores the existing price of the share as that is more unknown but likely to get bit into. Obviously the deal could go through in 6-9 months, but do you also want to wait that long for that last $10?

Artonos
Dec 3, 2018
After briefly looking into it the expected closing date is Microsoft's 2023 fiscal year. I don't exactly know what that means but you're likely going to have to wait a good chunk of time for the $95 so that has to be priced in somehow. Money that isn't growing isn't worth keeping in the market if it's part of your investments.

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
I forgot I’m still holding a NDRA bag from months ago. Everyone still holding or should I just take my huge loss?

ARTPUP
Jun 7, 2013

Bought another 54 shares of the dumpster fire of Vinco Ventures (BBIG) @4.94. See what happens by the end of this week. Congrats to those holding Activision shares!

DapperDraculaDeer
Aug 4, 2007

Shut up, Nick! You're not Twilight.

Rolo posted:

I forgot I’m still holding a NDRA bag from months ago. Everyone still holding or should I just take my huge loss?

I went ahead and threw in the towel on NDRA a few weeks ago. If it takes another big dip I may buy back in but most likely I am done with this particular iteration of $GOON.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Still holding $GOON unless and until the thesis changes (aka the company folds).

Power of Pecota
Aug 4, 2007

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

ARTPUP posted:

Bought another 54 shares of the dumpster fire of Vinco Ventures (BBIG) @4.94. See what happens by the end of this week. Congrats to those holding Activision shares!

People with a more technical background - is this good:

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

Space Fish posted:

Still holding $GOON unless and until the thesis changes (aka the company folds).

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

nnnotime posted:

I got very lucky to be holding long on this ATVI acquisition. I read the acquisition price is $95, but stock is currently at $85. Does that mean I should buy more? Or is there risk the deal may not go thru? Might be an opportunity for everyone else who missed it.

I personally just sold my shares because hey it's now priced in and the acquisition won't finalize until 2023 so anything could happen in the meantime. I'd rather take a guaranteed profit now instead of waiting for something that may or may not pay off.

FistEnergy
Nov 3, 2000

DAY CREW: WORKING HARD

Fun Shoe

Space Fish posted:

Still holding $GOON unless and until the thesis changes (aka the company folds).

The WSB Way

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

Welp.

I had bought some ATVI at I think around 68 or something, but after some further bad news and it dumping further along with the rest of tech, I decided to sell it at a small loss because I figured it had more to drop and it wasn't bad to lock in that loss that year.

The reason I bought it was because it was clearly insanely undervalued at that price point. Seems like Microsoft thought the same, tho I guess it's not terribly clear to me whether the price that Microsoft is paying is a discount price or if it ignores the recent scandal induced dip.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Space Fish posted:

Still holding $GOON unless and until the thesis changes (aka the company folds).

The fda still didn’t come through right?

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

Space Fish posted:

Still holding $GOON unless and until the thesis changes (aka the company folds).

Penny pharma crap can be remarkably resilient, at least as far as staying on a stock exchange goes. They don't often fold, at least not quickly; what usually happens is heavy dilution (NDRA has been doing this for two years) and reverse splits (you'll see one of these by Labor Day).

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Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi

Agronox posted:

Penny pharma crap can be remarkably resilient, at least as far as staying on a stock exchange goes. They don't often fold, at least not quickly; what usually happens is heavy dilution (NDRA has been doing this for two years) and reverse splits (you'll see one of these by Labor Day).

NDRA already did a reverse split last year right?

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