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Javid
Oct 21, 2004

:jpmf:
Juries stocked with people who have personally experienced both the justice and penal system would be an objective net gain, especially since they're categorically not going to have to miss work to go

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Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

So let's say you're a foreign national, who is unlawfully removed from your home country by a military force, brought to that military force's sovereign nation, and made to stand trial. And let's assume the military force is part of a pedo-terrorist nation state.

Would you opt for the public defender or try to hire private counsel?

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.

Grimey Drawer

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

So let's say you're a foreign national, who is unlawfully removed from your home country by a military force, brought to that military force's sovereign nation, and made to stand trial. And let's assume the military force is part of a pedo-terrorist nation state.

Would you opt for the public defender or try to hire private counsel?

Is there an established legal strategy for how to handle a show trial?

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH
Do you have enough cash on hand to pay for a pardon?

Black Noise
Jan 23, 2008

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

So let's say you're a foreign national, who is unlawfully removed from your home country by a military force, brought to that military force's sovereign nation, and made to stand trial. And let's assume the military force is part of a pedo-terrorist nation state.

Would you opt for the public defender or try to hire private counsel?

I would remember the words the traitor Dr. gave me before I was sedated and bite really hard to break the tooth that was implanted.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

STUPID LOUD AND AI PROUD

Leperflesh posted:

voting should be mandatory for prisoners and convicts
part of reinforcing the responsibilities of citizenship
they should also be required to serve on juries

In my experience people in jail are very very stupid. I agree with voting but you do not want them on juries they will not be able to comprehend facts. It is not a random sampling of the populous that ends up in jail it is disproportionately morons.

sullat
Jan 8, 2012

Black Noise posted:

I would remember the words the traitor Dr. gave me before I was sedated and bite really hard to break the tooth that was implanted.

I would simply offer to fill the room I was in with gold, and twice again with silver.

Soricidus
Oct 20, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
I would ask one of the lawyers what advice the other would give

EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.
He’s gonna play the sovereign citizen card

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
Huh?


Nap Ghost
What do you think discovery is going to look like? A bog standard criminal defendant gets the information surrounding his arrest. Think they got a warrant from a judge with jurisdiction before searching his house?

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
Huh?


Nap Ghost
I can't wait until they argue jury instructions. Under what circumstances can you illegally possess or use a gun that's legally possessed in the country you're in? Like hypothetically if an idiot crack addict son of a wanna-be Hitler traveled to South Africa to shoot a drugged up rhino, can he be charged in America with using a gun that's otherwise legal in South Africa?

Who are they gonna have to immunize to roll on Maduro? What even is the process of getting a Venezuelan subpoena for someone to testify?

This is going to be fascinating.

BigHead fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Jan 5, 2026

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

BigHead posted:

What do you think discovery is going to look like? A bog standard criminal defendant gets the information surrounding his arrest. Think they got a warrant from a judge with jurisdiction before searching his house?

Fourth Amendment? What Fourth Amendment?

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH
If anyone is allowed to have a machine gun it's the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces ffs

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon

BigHead posted:

I can't wait until they argue jury instructions. Under what circumstances can you illegally possess or use a gun that's legally possessed in the country you're in? Like hypothetically if an idiot crack addict son of a wanna-be Hitler traveled to South Africa to shoot a drugged up rhino, can he be charged in America with using a gun that's otherwise legal in South Africa?

Who are they gonna have to immunize to roll on Maduro? What even is the process of getting a Venezuelan subpoena for someone to testify?

This is going to be fascinating.

What would a jury of his peers look like? US nationals or Venezuelans? Does Raul Castro have some time free in his calendar?

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
Given the quality of the DOJ, I wouldn’t be surprised if they mess up the show trial and Maduro gets acquitted.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

STUPID LOUD AND AI PROUD

Cemetry Gator posted:

Given the quality of the DOJ, I wouldn’t be surprised if they mess up the show trial and Maduro gets acquitted.

EDVA knows no acquittals

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

Cemetry Gator posted:

Given the quality of the DOJ, I wouldn’t be surprised if they mess up the show trial and Maduro gets acquitted.

I'm still lost as to how US law reaches him at all. None of the individuals in the indictment have committed any offenses in a United States jurisdiction. The only connection to the USA at all is the allegation that one guy used to be the head of a gang that operated, in part, in the USA.

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH
Besides the, you know, massive jurisdiction issues and immunity given to de facto heads of State/government, he's indicted in the southern district of NY. That's NYC. Do we really think a NYC jury pool won't just nullify to spite Trump anyways?

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

Looking more at the indictment - it was secured by Jay Clayton. He's the interim US Attorney in SDNY because the senate won't confirm him. The judges kept him on at the expiration of his term. He's Trump's head of the SEC from his first term.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
Huh?


Nap Ghost
How do the discrete acts listed in the indictment play out? Is it mostly a notice thing, does the prosecutor need to prove at least one? I'm totally unfamiliar with federal practice. Back in my state practice if you charged a discrete act underlying a particular count you had to prove that specific discrete act. So if you charged "Bill drove drunk on Highway 5 on January 2 in Benton County" you'd lose a motion for judgement of acquittal if you didn't prove specifically Highway 5 because you essentially made it an extra element.

BigHead fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Jan 6, 2026

sullat
Jan 8, 2012
Well his overworked public defender will probably just have him take a plea deal

Magnetic North
Dec 14, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms
I just received a "notice of class action settlement" in the mail. As far as I can tell it's genuine and not some type of scam; I know it relates to something true and verified with my own records, though I could not find public record of this suit but that's not necessarily surprising.

The language in the letter makes it fairly clear to understand, and I imagine the bulk of what is there is accurate. A cursory web search seems to suggest it's correct to join the settlement class. What I'm not certain about is if I am actually technically in the settlement class because I am in another state from the defendant. Based on the language of the letter, that is unmentioned so it might be fine. It says I can email them and ask, but part of me wonders if they would just say yes regardless for some bigger payday or something. Then again, they're listed as 'class counsel' so maybe that isn't allowed and I'm overthinking it?

My questions are:

1: I see those advertisements sometimes where they say "If you were in Corsica in August of 1974, you may be eligible to compensation". I assume those ads are paid for by the lawyers because the more respondents, the bigger settlement they can get out of the judge and therefore make it more likely they can get the fees they want. Is that how it works, more or less?

2: As a potential member of the settlement class, is it okay to reach out to them and expect an honest response, or is this a "pay an attorney so I can ask them" type situation?

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Magnetic North posted:

I just received a "notice of class action settlement" in the mail. As far as I can tell it's genuine and not some type of scam; I know it relates to something true and verified with my own records, though I could not find public record of this suit but that's not necessarily surprising.

The language in the letter makes it fairly clear to understand, and I imagine the bulk of what is there is accurate. A cursory web search seems to suggest it's correct to join the settlement class. What I'm not certain about is if I am actually technically in the settlement class because I am in another state from the defendant. Based on the language of the letter, that is unmentioned so it might be fine. It says I can email them and ask, but part of me wonders if they would just say yes regardless for some bigger payday or something. Then again, they're listed as 'class counsel' so maybe that isn't allowed and I'm overthinking it?

My questions are:

1: I see those advertisements sometimes where they say "If you were in Corsica in August of 1974, you may be eligible to compensation". I assume those ads are paid for by the lawyers because the more respondents, the bigger settlement they can get out of the judge and therefore make it more likely they can get the fees they want. Is that how it works, more or less?

2: As a potential member of the settlement class, is it okay to reach out to them and expect an honest response, or is this a "pay an attorney so I can ask them" type situation?

I Anal. As I understand it, #1 is individual claims against specific businesses. For #2, I expect whoever is answering the phone is getting paid one way or the other no matter what and has no incentive to lie.

EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.
A class is administered by a third party class administer. There may or not be a website, depending on where the class was certified and the size/scope of the class. There will be a court case somewhere on the card you can look up. It will have contacts for the class counsel, you could call and ask but who knows what they will tell you.

Join the class if you want, if you are in it you will get whatever class relief is; if you are not, the administer will deny your claim and that'll be it. Since you got notice, you are at least a potential class member. I imagine class recovery is going to be pretty small

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

STUPID LOUD AND AI PROUD

EwokEntourage posted:

Join the class if you want, if you are in it you will get whatever class relief is; if you are not, the administer will deny your claim and that'll be it. Since you got notice, you are at least a potential class member. I imagine class recovery is going to be pretty small

Ianal but have been a class rep several times. For some issues where the comp is automotive repairs it can be pretty valuable.

In general there are few reasons not to join a class imo. If you have some other pending legal matter with one of the defendants id prob opt out of any small settlement. Good luck calling the class counsel. They busy. You might get an email reply.

EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.
cool i am a lawyer and i deal with class actions on a daily basis

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Magnetic North
Dec 14, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms
Thank you all for the responses. You have allayed my apprehensions for the most part.

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