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I'm pretty sure I want to evict my roommate, but the legal situation is pretty complicated so I thought I'd ask for advice. I live in Portland, Oregon, which about a year ago passed a no no-cause evictions law. He's been living here for years with my brother as landlord in a sort of sub-lease. My mom owns the house. I decided to move down here, and my brother said he wanted me to take over essentially being the landlord. The tenant in question has lived here for years, but without any kind of actual agreement on paper. He rents the garage (also no paperwork), and runs an extension cord out there and runs some kind of weird import/export business. I'm pretty sure he has no business license and the business is actually quasi-illegal (importing for resale without declaring etc..), or at least lacking in proper licenses and such. He also does some of his "crafting" in the living room (he makes like artisanal wooden spoons and such, it's very Portland). Our other roommate is a long-time friend and the tenant in question insists on harassing him (hovering near him talking to him, etc..). I finally caught him at it because he didn't realize I was home and he started doing it (he waits till I'm not in the house to pull stuff). When I confronted him about it he stalked off. Then he got in my face the next day because I said I didn't like him. When I told him not to talk to me anymore and just communicate with me in writing, he waited a day and then posted a manifesto on the refrigerator. I have some sympathy for the guy, he clearly has some real mental illness and the system is failing him, but I don't want my house to be a charity house. I used to work for a non-profit that ran group homes for the severely and persistently mentally ill, and his behavior reminds me far too much of those people. So I was thinking because he has no actual lease he probably has an implied month to month lease, but I'm not sure. I was thinking of making him sign a month to month, putting on a 9.9% rent increase, making him pay a pet deposit and a room deposit and last months rent and a deposit on the garage and see where we end up (he has no deposits currently). I also don't think I have to rent the garage to him or continue to rent it to him, or that I can just arbitrarily increase the rent on the garage, I'm assuming it's not covered under the law that controls rent price increases in Portland. I also don't want his poo poo in the living room, and I don't want him doing any of his weird "crafting" poo poo in the house. My brother let him have a desk in the room because he rents a very small attic space, but it's basically overrun with weird poo poo, cereal boxes and stuff (I think he's a low-key hoarder). Maybe some goons will pile into the thread to tell me I'm a bad person for wanting to evict a crazy person and possibly make him homeless or dead, which is a fair perspective, but I don't want to live with the guy, he doesn't see a counselor or do anything to try to deal with his mental illness just basically rants about how everyone else is the problem, and frankly, I worry about my dog, that he'd hurt her or something, so before this gets too litigious I think I'm going to stash her at my mom's, but I just don't want to live with someone who means I can't have my dog in my own home.
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Bad Munki posted:OP have you considered learning to play the drums He wears giant headphones all day long, so I don't think that I could like... drive him out via drumming.
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Feb 28, 2020 15:53
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Louisgod posted:How much does he charge for the spoons? I don’t know how much do these seem worth? 
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Feb 28, 2020 16:17
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Devor posted:I'm the guy getting evicted from a garage that almost certainly doesn't meet bedroom requirements for rentals Sorry if I was unclear, he rents a bedroom and the garage as well. I’m happy to post my workstation but it is in my room, not the living room so it doesn’t seem comparable. Also I don’t illegally import Chinese poo poo and boil it or sand it in common areas where random toxic poo poo could get in the air or what have you, particularly when I have a space set aside specifically for that. I do wonder if he’s a goon but c’est la vie. pseudanonymous fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Feb 28, 2020 |
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Feb 28, 2020 21:59
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thehoodie posted:OP I'm quite certain based on your information here that Spoonman posts on this site so I would delete the photo and also talk to a lawyer and if you're not a scum landlord help the dude find a new place to live if you evict him I’d be happy to let him stay longer if he was willing to actively find another place to live but instead he posted a manifesto on the fridge after repeatedly demanding I explain why I didn’t like him resulted in me instructing him to communicate with me in writing. Which to be fair it was a written manifesto so he did follow that instruction.
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Feb 28, 2020 22:05
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evilweasel posted:why would you post pictures of his desk For the spoons.
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Feb 28, 2020 22:15
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euphronius posted:You def should not post the fridge manifesto I mean does he have some reasonable expectation of privacy for something he posts in a common area? Maybe I could just get a boom box and play spoonman really loud all the time.
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Feb 28, 2020 22:40
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BonerGhost posted:You know who could answer that question? Sorry for making jokes on a comedy forum duder. Thanks for setting me straight I really value the insight you’ve given me. I appreciate you kramering in to this thread on a comedy forum and reminding me not to actually literally follow every joking suggestion a goon makes. Obviously I’m now we’ll advised that if I post something like “maybe if I” it’s “potentially incriminating”; I’ll place exactly the amount of value on your advice it merits.
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Feb 29, 2020 00:35
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:if thats really where he makes the spoons that is very tidy. Whittling makes a ton of wood scraps I think he does most of his crafting poo poo in the garage. He's very careful not to do certain things when I'm home so I don't always know what's going on. He sometimes solders in the living room, he's been known to boil spoons in the kitchen. Javid posted:"family wants/needs a place" is the literal most common bullshit way to scam around renter protection laws here. it generally means "we found a cousin to live here while we renovate so we can shove this family out and charge more rent for it" so that's why people familiar with the specific laws and history involved are skeptical of the explanation If he would act even remotely like an adult we'd have 0 problems. I have tremendous sympathy for the fact he's mentally ill and trying to make his way. Part of why I'm posting here and being so loving mean about it is to deal with on a comedy forum rather than just screaming at him when he does something ludicrous and acts like he's the victim. I don't want to worry he's going to flip out and hurt my dog, I don't want to worry he's going to burn the house down soldering in the house or boiling spoons, I don't want to worry that he's going to cut his arm off in my garage (he wrote down in his manifesto that he removes the safety pieces off his cheaply made Chinese power tools). I don't want to deal with him harassing my other roommate and implicitly threatening violence and saying poo poo like "I could have a gun in my room". I absolutely understand that people often make up poo poo like this to evict someone so they can charge more rent. I'm pretty sure if I evict him I'll end up financially worse off, he rents a tiny attic which is difficult to rent out, and a garage, which normally roommate tenants don't rent garages, so it's basically just free money for not using my garage. I am going to get my ducks in a row and talk to a lawyer and see how he acts in the meanwhile. If he keeps doubling down every day on the insanity we're going to be well over 9000 pretty soon and I'm just going to have the pull the trigger.
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Feb 29, 2020 02:09
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Volmarias posted:Do it coward. This is in my room. My personal bedroom, not the public, common, living room:  I don't really know, I don't really care that much about the spoon boiling, it's just weird. He said it strengthens them or weakens them or something. If the spoon boiling, or the soldering or the sanding or whatever were isolated things, I wouldn't care.
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Feb 29, 2020 04:13
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Well, he set up a GoPro in the living room to tape us without our knowledge or consent today, so that's a fun development.
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Feb 29, 2020 22:41
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Arcturas posted:No, keep posting your saga of crazy. I am going to. I said this before but I'm going to get an actual contract with my mom then talk to a lawyer and see what the consequences and actions of various courses would be then make a decision. I'm also going to stash my dog with her for a while because I'm worried he'll lose his poo poo if he gets the eviction notice and she's tiny and could be easily hurt.
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Feb 29, 2020 23:35
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Javid posted:Remind us why you think he's a threat to your dog? Aside from "is weird" I have seen no justification for that. Things he’s said about dogs and pets and my past experiences with adults with severe and persistent mental illness and he mentioned pets in his manifesto. To be fair I’m overprotective of her and I don’t think he’s likely to hurt her, I just don’t want to be stressed about it or that he’ll burn down the house with his shenanigans and leave her. pseudanonymous fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Mar 1, 2020 |
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Mar 1, 2020 00:02
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Carillon posted:Maybe I'm misreading but why are you getting a contract first and then the lawyer? My mom and brother and I never actually signed anything. So I'm worried that if he fights an eviction or gets crazier, I don't really have any proof on paper that I'm really the landlord.
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Mar 1, 2020 07:09
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Eminent Domain posted:Maybe talk to a lawyer from the get go period. Well frankly if having an actual lease agreement with my mom will in some way hurt me it will magically not exist. Also my girlfriend texted me this while I was at the gym and I thought all my problems were solved: https://twitter.com/pdxalerts/status/1233871182333480960 pseudanonymous fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Mar 1, 2020 |
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Mar 1, 2020 07:17
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Mr. Nice! posted:No. He was saying he’s gonna make spoonman sign a lease or contract of some sort and then if a lawyer said it was invalid destroy it and do what the lawyer says. No, I said I would get a written lease with my mom, the actual home owner, but that I wouldn't sign it until I talked to a lawyer, in case there was some weird consequence of my taking over the lease and not immediately evicting spoonman or something like that. People have advised me not to make spoonman sign a lease until I talk to a lawyer, and I'm not planning to.
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Mar 1, 2020 21:43
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Zero VGS posted:Send him a collect call, and when the collect call says to state your name, give "heydudeyou'recollectcallingthewrongnumber" I don't think you can collect call people in prison. Pretty sure they aren't allowed inbound calls at all.
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Mar 3, 2020 23:34
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Well my roommate wrote me a letter in the third person saying he was looking for another place to live, but noted twice this did not constitute notice of intent to vacate. So I guess I don't have to evict him.
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Mar 25, 2020 20:16
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Outrail posted:Write him a letter in the third person titled 'Notice of non-intention to evict' saying you're looking for another tenant, but note twice this does not constitute notice of intent to evict. I'm not going to replace him. I just don't want to deal with his poo poo anymore.
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Mar 25, 2020 22:18
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Inept posted:My house rental lease ends at the end of May, and the landlord said we had to move out by then. Since there's a loving pandemic, I asked if there was any way we could stay. She said that we could go on a month to month lease, but she would be listed as our roommate. She said she had no intention of living here, but needed to because she has a mortgage for an owner-occupied house. So she's doing some mortgage fraud. I don't want to be an accessory to that, but I also don't want to have to move during what may be the peak of the outbreak where I live. It's not like you're under some mandatory obligation to report a crime. IANAL. But I have been a mandatory abuse reporter, for example. It's not like you're comitting fraud, the landlord is.
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Apr 7, 2020 21:48
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Mr. Nice! posted:No one will be able to help you without knowing what state you're in. He said NC.
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Apr 7, 2020 22:28
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pentyne posted:I just was present for my buddy who doesn't really get "the law" on a call with his lawyer over trying to evict a tenant. He keeps going on and on about some document he wrote and got the tenant to sign and how it must mean he can kick them out and I'm just listening to the lawyer repeating over and over "there is no definitive language in that document" and watching him just not make the connection to understand since "but he signed it, that means he has to do what I say" "the law" can feel like loving bullshit. So I sympathize with the guy. It sometimes feels like figuring out magic card interactions and just being like, well this makes no sense but it's what the oracle says.
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Apr 17, 2020 21:10
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So it appears that Spoonman moved out a month ago, he gave me a letter on the 15th of April (in the 3rd person) saying he was trying to move out but it was "not a specific notice to vacate" and that he would move out either before or after May 30th. I'd like to at least attempt to recover some of my damages in small claims court, is there a good guide somewhere to do's and dont's of small claims court? I'm thinking like the lost rent since he defrauded me of May rent by not paying and not giving notice and in fact, specifically giving notice he would still be here, the fact I had to move all his crap to the garage and now have to get a dumpster for it, the carpet he destroyed by leaving rotting food in his room apparently off and on for years, destroying the smoke detector, lighting fires in his room, damage to the walls from the fire, etc.. Can I argue tortious interference since he kept me from contracting with someone else for the room for the month, or do I need a specific actual other party?
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May 18, 2020 15:04
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tater_salad posted:I Anal, but I have sued a renter in Small claims court for nonpayment of rent and leaving 1 month after resigning a 6 month lease.... Yeah I'm not sure I'd be able to recover much, he chooses not to work and instead goes to food banks and stuff, I mean he "sells spoons" but the same dozen spoons were in the living room the 6 months I lived with him, he has no storefront on Etsy etc.. To some degree I'm just curious what small claims court is really like, so I'd kind of like to do it for that reason. Can you sell the claim to a debt collector? I know you only get pennies on the dollar for this, but it'd be something.
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May 18, 2020 15:40
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Mr. Nice! posted:On a side note, I know he pissed you off to no end and you feel wronged. There is no real recourse for you, though. You can hold onto that anger and be petty or you can just accept the win of a spoonman free world and chalk your losses up to the game. You had a lovely tenant. That's business when you're a landlord. It happens, and you can either be spiteful and petty with no hope of ever seeing satisfaction or you can let it go and use it as a learning experience. I think part of my desire to do something about it comes from my accounting background, I've seen numerous cases where people embezzle money for example and get fired but the company doesn't do anything because it does them no good. So then they get hired somewhere else and embezzle again.
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May 18, 2020 16:10
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Mr. Nice! posted:I agree with you, but spoonman isn't someone nefariously stealing. They seem like someone who is mentally unwell and will live a hard life in a nation that primarily uses the penal system to handle mental heath issues. This is a completely different situation. You're seeking retribution, in this case, against a broken person for the crime of being broken. I partially agree with you. I think he needs therapy and medication, but I think part of the problem is that he gets away with this and gets enabled. From my experiences with him before I moved him and from talking to the other roommates he was less unwell when he worked a regular job. He was unhappy, but he was less crazy. I think wandering around the house all day "making spoons" but actually doing nothing, and posting in some incel subbreddit about how he's the victim of the world is making his life worse. If he hadn't specifically given me notice that he wasn't moving out, like I dunno told me the truth that he was moving out, I could've started cleaning up his poo poo and rented out the room for May. So just to be a prick he cost me close to a thousand dollars. I'd be a lot more sympathetic if he hadn't done that. People in the thread have implied that I'm like the mustache twirling monopoly man, but I have to pay the rent on this house and if rooms are empty the rent doesn't magically disappear.
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May 18, 2020 16:30
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sephiRoth IRA posted:Have you ever seen the movie The Town, with acclaimed actor Ben Affleck? Without getting into too many details, just in case you haven’t seen the movie and would like to at some point in the future, (as I believe it is on several streaming services at this point), the premise of the movie is that Ben is a bank robber. He meets a nice lady named Claire and falls in love, but oh no! How will he reconcile the fact that he was the one who robbed Claire’s bank? Drama unfolds with some excellent action-packed robbery sequences. I heartily recommend it. This post get's really weird when you find out what Spoonmans' name is.
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May 18, 2020 16:32
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Mr. Nice! posted:1. You have to pay rent? I thought your mom owned the house. If you're literally just subletting, why the gently caress are you subletting instead of letting your landlord deal with these hassles. If the house is family owned, then, yes, your "rent" can adjust. She does but I agreed to pay her a certain amount per month. I have a lease with her. Yeah I didn't rent the room to him initially, and I had every intention of making him sign an actual lease and pay a deposit etc.. I would never have let him move in without one. My brother complicated things by his choices. Then when I moved in and took over the situation, I meant to do that, then I got a job offer the second day of my job search in portland and started like the next day and... then the 'rona kicked and I couldn't make him sign a lease etc.. Yeah it sounds like I probably shouldn't go to small claims court, but I might do it anyway, the filing fee is only $53, so if I get a 2500 judgement against him and can sell it for 250 + get to learn how small claims court works I' come out ahead, I'll make a decision about it later.
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May 18, 2020 16:51
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euphronius posted:Did we ever get a screen shot of the Spoonman Fridge Manifesto? Oh no I forgot about that, I'll edit it and post it up once I've finished throwing out his poo poo in another 10 days or so. by edit I mean I'll redact his name pseudanonymous fucked around with this message at 17:16 on May 19, 2020 |
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May 19, 2020 16:51
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There is a pretty good book I read years and years ago called street law, and it was about how the law actually works on the street vs these bizarre ideas people have about "mah rights" or whatever. I'm not sure it's still updated, there's a ton of books now called Street Law: blah blah but it was eye opening when I read it.
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May 27, 2020 22:06
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I mean, if it was a Republican king, wouldn't that be considered a Republican government?
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Jun 2, 2020 00:54
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Zero VGS posted:I clicked around a bit because this sounded interesting and pretty quickly found some dude who says this lawyer bribed the Ecuador judges and ghostwrote the judgement himself. He alleges that it was the government who actually did the polluting and got to pin it on Chevron anyway in order to enrich the lawyer and themselves. Do you also work for Chevron or what?
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Jun 7, 2020 04:46
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Hoshi posted:No TVM calculation? I expected better From a lawyer?
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Jun 10, 2020 14:42
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owlhawk911 posted:ok i said this with manifesto guy too but listen: if op gets too owned he'll stop posting and that's no fun I didn't feel even remotely owned? I stopped posting because I was satisfied as to the answer, which ultimately was wrong. I hired an attorney and spoonman moved out after giving specific notice that he wasn't moving out, and the money I spent on the lawyer was wholly wasted. It's shocking that someone who is truly NALA has to explain the concept of devil's advocate to you, but people can argue things to see what you will say. Nobody has to pass the bar to post in this thread, and anyone can lazily say "yes you need a lawyer". If you don't argue with the first poster who says that almost inevitably no-one else will consider your case. The arguing gets you a consensus from the community. I'm almost done cleaning out all spoonmans poo poo, one more trip with junk metal, one more trip to donate bike poo poo and one more trip to goodwill, and then I'll post his manifesto and other letters.
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Jun 11, 2020 06:20
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Eminent Domain posted:drat, this took off over the last few pages. Isn't that what that guy who challenged the lawyer to trial by combat in his divorce was going for? I mean I can only assume if he killed the guy with a claymore and thus prevented his divorce, no other lawyer is going to actually oppose him after that.
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Jun 11, 2020 06:51
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Outrail posted:It's just one or two. Storing them outside means they're getting hot/cold and probably damp. Well it depends right? I mean are there stairs in your house, if so yeah you’re probably doomed.
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Jun 13, 2020 18:30
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Has anyone prepared the paperwork for a Non-Profit Organization? I was going to buy a book on and prepare a report for a couple people who want to incorporate and show them the options. I was going to prepare the paperwork and what not for them and then have a local attorney review it (or at least that is what I will advise them to do) I'm just curious if there is a recommended book, there's a few on Amazon and I can't necessarily tell them which to do (they're still debating between llc vs nonprofit vs nonprofit charitable).
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Jun 26, 2020 05:13
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euphronius posted:Metaphorical akin to the old privateers This seems like the sequel to Repo Man. They start driving around with tow trucks with a hose spraying water on the ground in front of them declaiming that they are only bound by admiralty law and using bad pirate patter.
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Jul 1, 2020 01:34
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Harold Fjord posted:This is getting a little circular. The problem is that people think they do offer it, and it's included, and they don't.
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Volmarias posted:So what I'm hearing is that the Scooby Doo method of land acquisition is real? Dressing up in a mask and scaring people off their land is one of the cornerstones of property ownership, especially in the South.
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Jul 27, 2020 06:58
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