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Motronic
Nov 6, 2009


MOTRONIC FOR MODERATOR, MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN


Grimey Drawer

Based on recent discussion, it seems that the old Glock thread is long gone. As a new Glock owner, I was hoping to find an active thread on here. Since there isn't one, I may as well start it.

In the beginning...
There was a request by the Austrian military in 1980 looking for candidates to replace their Walther P38s. Gaston Glock, who by all accounts had never even attempted to design a gun before, assembled a group of leading firearms specialists to define the best features that a modern fighting pistol should have. He started pretty much from the ground up in 1981 in an attempt to win this government contract. He made a working prototype in 3 months. This became known as the Glock 17; it was the company's 17th patent. Submitted to the military assessment trials in early 1982, it not only passed, but came out on top of the competition.

It was/is a mostly polymer weapon, using metal only where necessary, and treated with a nitriding process called Tenifer to protect against corrosion and wear. This created a light but strong and inexpensive to manufacture service pistol. Contrary to people's belief, it was not the first gun made of polymer. The Heckler & Koch VP70 predated the Glock 17 by a dozen years.

Generations
(image from Glockmeister supplied by B4Ctom1)


There are now 4 generations of Glocks, and they are pretty easily identified:
Second generation models
Checkering on the front strap and serrations to the back strap with a stamped serial number on the dust cover in front of the trigger guard.

Third generation models
Proprietary accessory rail in front of the trigger guard, thumb rests on both sides of the frame and finger grooves on the front strap.

Fourth generation models
(from Neo Mara)
The major changes externally are the grip texture and the back straps. With no back strap installed, Glock says the frame is a SF or short frame gun. With the 'medium' backstrap, rear profile is almost identical to 3rd gen guns and is 2mm longer than no backstrap. The 'large' backstrap is 2mm more than the medium. Internally, the major change is the dual action recoil spring and the changes to the slide and frame to make room. Fourth gen slides and frames are not compatable with previous gens.

Operating Mechanism
(stolen from Wikipedia)
The Glock 17 is a 9mm short recoil-operated locked breech semi-automatic pistol that uses a modified Browning cam-lock system adapted from the Hi-Power pistol. The firearm's locking mechanism utilizes a linkless, vertically tilting barrel with a rectangular breech that locks into the ejection port cut-out in the slide. During the recoil stroke, the barrel moves rearward initially locked together with the slide approximately 3 mm (0.12 in) until the bullet leaves the barrel and chamber pressure drops to a safe level. A ramped lug extension at the base of the barrel then interacts with a tapered locking block integrated into the frame, forcing the barrel down and unlocking it from the slide. This camming action terminates the barrel's movement while the slide continues back under recoil, extracting and ejecting the spent cartridge casing. The slide's uninterrupted rearward movement and counter-recoil cycle are characteristic of the Browning system.

Controversy
"They can go through metal detectors undetected"
No...that's just stupid. You can't even get the polymer receiver through a metal detector without it being noticed - it's full of small metal parts, and any x-ray operator would have to be a complete idiot to not identify the trigger group. Forget even trying the slide or barrel.

This all stemmed from an uninformed Washington Post article in 1985, and a terribly misinformed scene in Die Hard 2 (in which the armorer for the movie even raised objection to the scene).

"Glock Leg"
This may be a regional law enforcement term, but you get the idea: lots of cops going from their .38 special revolvers with 12+ pound trigger pulls shot themselves in the leg or foot in the late 80s and 90s when police departments started adopting the 17 and 19s. Glocks don't have a traditional external safety, instead using the Glock "Safe Action" system, which is a series of 3 safeties which are disarmed progressively as the trigger is pulled, and automatically re-armed on release. Why this was a problem for old school cops (who blamed Glock Leg on this) that were used to NO safety (other than a heavy trigger pull) is beyond imagination, and can only be chalked up to poor trigger discipline due to lack of training. Yeah...you can get away with your finger in the trigger guard of a heavy-pull revolver when unholstering - it's stupid, but you can get away with it. Not so when you have a 6.5 or 7lb trigger pull.

Modifications
Connector Springs (Triggers)
from CapnStubby
At the request of the New York police departments Glock developed a heavier trigger spring assembly built into a drop-in plastic leaf spring.

NY1 is 8lb, NY2 is 11lb

The coil spring is the original part.

When you buy a used Glock it's not a bad idea to detail strip it and see if the previous owner did something insane like install one of the NY trigger springs or the heavier connector.
---
The connector on most Glocks is 5.5 lb. This gives you an effective trigger pull of 6.5 lbs. On the "competition models" like the 34 and 35, a 3.5 lb connector is installed from the factory. This gives you a 4.5 lb trigger pull.

Sights
The stock sights on a Glock suck. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. Even the ones with rear adjustable sights. Fortunately, it's fairly inexpensive to fix.

For the rear sights, you will likely need a "sight pusher":


For the front sights, you need a sight tool which is essentially a very thin socket with no chamfer on it. The front sights are held on with a VERY thin headed bolt, so the tool engagement has to be flat.

If you aren't going to be changing sights a lot, its fairly cheap to have a smith install a set for you. If you are installing a set with an adjustable rear it can be even cheaper, as you can sight it in yourself with (typically) a very small flat head screwdriver.


Buying New
If you want a new one, there are two very important things you need to know about :
GSSF - The Glock Sport Shooters Foundation
If you are a member, you can typically get over $100 off by having your FFL request a weapon for you from GSSF

Law Enforcement and Emergency Services
If you are a Police Officer, Active Military, Pilot, Paramedic, and lots of other emergency service-y things like that, even retired, you can get a "blue label" Glock which is usually at least $100 less than retail and typically includes an extra magazine. These are available from a lot of the usual suspects for law enforcement guns as well as some places to cater just to blue label Glock buyers like http://www.usglock.com/.

Buying Used
They're all over the place used. The warranty is great, and will be honored for subsequent purchasers.

Thanks to Micromancer for the pointer to Scarecrow411's post (now in the archives).

Scarecrow411 posted:

1.0 How to buy a used Glock
Make sure the slide stop engages.
Make sure the slide stop engages with a magazine in place.
Rack slide.
Place a pencil, eraser first, down the barrel, aim towards ceiling or small dog, pull trigger.
Field strip the gun, visually inspect frame rails, locking block, barrel, feed ramp and breach face.
If you feel like a stud pull out a punch and detail strip the frame and slide. Crazy Armed Pilot can provide us with the armorers checklist of what to look for.
Here's where it gets important
With gun disassembled, mutter under your breath.
Ask the guy how many rounds he has through it.
Ask the guy how many people have owned this gun, if the answer is more then 1, reconfirm the round count.
Ask the guy how many years he's owned the gun for.
Ask the guy when the last time he replaced the recoil spring was? What about the trigger spring? ...and the slide stop? Firing pin spring? What about the extractor plunger spring? spring cups? fall cups? does it have the marine mainspring installed? If the answers for these is all yes ask the guy to throw in the old parts and pay the asking price. If old parts "were thrown away" or "aren't here right now" continue:
Mutter some more.
Leave gun disassembled, begin eye loving a new Glock.
Sigh deeply.
Tell the guy you're going to have to re-spring and replace the pins on the gun if you buy it, begin to reassembly the gun, ask for $50 - $75 below asking price. If anything other then the frame or slide rails are damaged, knock another $25 per part.

Resources
The Glock FAQ - http://www.glockfaq.com
Flash operation animation and parts breakdown - http://www.sniperworld.com/content....rld_glock_index

Parts
(Don't take anything on this list as an endorsement, unless otherwise noted)
https://www.glockparts.com
http://www.glockmeister.com
http://www.topglock.com <--Multiple bad reports: DO NOT GO HERE

I'm far from done here, but I'll post now, and keep on editing. Please feel free to make suggestions. Like I said, I'm a new Glock owner, and I'm just regurgitating the little knowledge I have on the subject, as well as the results of my research before buying

Motronic fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Feb 18, 2010

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DJExile
Jun 27, 2007



Any discussion on Glocks is required to have the absolutely amazing Lee Paige GLOCK FO'TAY video. It's the law.

Also OD Glocks = Best Glocks.

CapnStubby
Jan 9, 2007



At the request of the New York police departments Glock developed a heavier trigger spring assembly built into a drop-in plastic leaf spring.



NY1 is 8lb, NY2 is 11lb

The coil spring is the original part.

When you buy a used glock it's not a bad idea to detail strip it and see if the previous owner did something insane like install one of the NY trigger springs or the heavier connector.

anuj
Oct 14, 2005

~anime crew~
~R.I.P. Soap-san~


I got a new 3G 19 for my birthday last month. Took it for some range time, and it had zero issues. I can't believe I took this long to buy one.

The problem is, I'm used to shooting .22 and .45, so I'm still getting used to this one. The first shot was dead-on bullseye, but after that I was consistently hitting about 4-6" down and to the left. Any idea why I'm doing this?

I handled the new 4th gen ones, but I thought the grip texture was terrible.

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003



anuj posted:

I got a new 3G 19 for my birthday last month. Took it for some range time, and it had zero issues. I can't believe I took this long to buy one.

The problem is, I'm used to shooting .22 and .45, so I'm still getting used to this one. The first shot was dead-on bullseye, but after that I was consistently hitting about 4-6" down and to the left. Any idea why I'm doing this?

I handled the new 4th gen ones, but I thought the grip texture was terrible.


Click here for the full 1272x1531 image.

Capn Beeb
Jun 29, 2003

We all got it coming, kid


Postin' dis itt



Warren tactical night sights aww yeah

plus it matches my 610 Benchmade



E:

What .22 kits are worth poo poo for a G19?

BaronW
Apr 16, 2007

Why yes, I HAVE seen uhaul.jpg

OP, you missed the only redeeming best part about Glocks, the super short reset!

Neo Mara
Apr 20, 2005



As far as Gen4s, the major changes externally are the grip texture and the back straps. With no back strap installed, Glock says the frame is a SF or short frame gun. With the 'medium' backstrap, rear profile is almost identical to 3rd gen guns and is 2mm longer than no backstrap. The 'large' backstrap is 2mm more than the medium. Internally, the major change is the dual action recoil spring and the changes to the slide and frame to make room. Fourth gen slides and frames are not compatable with previous gens.

GSSF certs have recently changed. There is a price increase of $25-$30 depending on the pistol. If you don't have one of the old certs you can't get them anymore. If you have one of the old certs it will expire April 2, 2010. The advantage of the change is that there will now be more dealers able to participate in the program.

Neo Mara fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Feb 15, 2010

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003



Capn Beeb posted:

Postin' dis itt



Warren tactical night sights aww yeah

plus it matches my 610 Benchmade



E:

What .22 kits are worth poo poo for a G19?



I wish my 19 was OD.

Trisk
Feb 12, 2005



anuj posted:

I got a new 3G 19 for my birthday last month. Took it for some range time, and it had zero issues. I can't believe I took this long to buy one.

The problem is, I'm used to shooting .22 and .45, so I'm still getting used to this one. The first shot was dead-on bullseye, but after that I was consistently hitting about 4-6" down and to the left. Any idea why I'm doing this?

I handled the new 4th gen ones, but I thought the grip texture was terrible.

Me and you both bud, I just need a lot more range time I guess. I don't really know the best technique for working through a down and to the left problem but it's been pretty consistent for me since I've been shooting my G19.

anuj
Oct 14, 2005

~anime crew~
~R.I.P. Soap-san~


Trisk posted:

Me and you both bud, I just need a lot more range time I guess. I don't really know the best technique for working through a down and to the left problem but it's been pretty consistent for me since I've been shooting my G19.

I'm going to take that chart Stormy posted with me next time. I guess it makes sense that I'd be squeezing my grip too hard since I'm not used to the recoil, but I thought I had pretty good trigger technique.

It sucks, I can shoot pretty drat good groups with my other handguns.

I need to find my tripod and finally take pics of this drat thing.

shoognite
Aug 15, 2008

***Space Bomber Corps***


Purchased my first handgun on Saturday at a local gunshow. It was a lightly used 23 with the original tupperware box and 2 magazines.



Can't wait to shoot it next weekend.

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK


Slippery Tilde

Gen II Glock 22 and Gen III Glock 22c w/glock tac light and "mag o' talons"

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK


Slippery Tilde

3 generations of glocks


3 generations of mags
http://www.glockmeister.com/3genmags.shtml

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

U like it


how hard is it to swap out the sights on a glock yourself? i want to install nightsights on my g19 but dont really want to pay somebody to do it.

also, speaking of which, what are the best nightsights for a glock? looking for a good price point/ quality matchup, nothing too expensive but not poo poo either.

televiper
Feb 12, 2007

WE'RE ONTO YOU.

ANSWER ONE: Glocks suck.

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

U like it


televiper posted:

ANSWER ONE: Glocks suck.

wrong

when i got into shooting i really, really didn't want to like glocks but when i tried a g19 i hit the bullseye at 15 yards each and every single time without a problem. i dont know if there is another gun that has ever shot so well for me. my 1911 is catching up from practice but the g19 is pretty much the perfect handgun for me.

Kommienzuspadt fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Feb 16, 2010

Capn Beeb
Jun 29, 2003

We all got it coming, kid


Kommienzuspadt posted:

how hard is it to swap out the sights on a glock yourself? i want to install nightsights on my g19 but dont really want to pay somebody to do it.

also, speaking of which, what are the best nightsights for a glock? looking for a good price point/ quality matchup, nothing too expensive but not poo poo either.

Drifting out is easy, installing requires a special tool for the front sight. I got the tactical night version of these:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=..._for_GLOCK_reg_

The rear sight didn't want to drift no matter how much I filed, so I just had the smith down the street put them on, ran me



bew bew bew

doogle
May 24, 2003



I was thinking about getting a 19, but is it worth it to go for the 19C? Also do they make 19C's with OD frames?

edit:

Also I read on some forum that they aren't any Gen 4 19s in OD, any truth in that?

doogle fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Feb 16, 2010

Roundboy
Oct 21, 2008


special tool for the front sight? its just in there with a kex head screw ? right ?

Gtab
Dec 9, 2003
I am a horrible person, disregard my posts.

televiper posted:

ANSWER ONE: Glocks suck.

As true now as it was then.

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

U like it


Capn Beeb posted:

Drifting out is easy, installing requires a special tool for the front sight. I got the tactical night version of these:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=..._for_GLOCK_reg_

The rear sight didn't want to drift no matter how much I filed, so I just had the smith down the street put them on, ran me



bew bew bew

my g19 came with the front sight tool

Agnostic Crusader
Nov 2, 2006


shoognite posted:

Purchased my first handgun on Saturday at a local gunshow. It was a lightly used 23 with the original tupperware box and 2 magazines.



Can't wait to shoot it next weekend.

Black is beautiful. I love my G23. It is reliable and surprisingly intuitive.

Agnostic Crusader
Nov 2, 2006


Kommienzuspadt posted:

wrong

when i got into shooting i really, really didn't want to like glocks but when i tried a g19 i hit the bullseye at 15 yards each and every single time without a problem. i dont know if there is another gun that has ever shot so well for me. my 1911 is catching up from practice but the g19 is pretty much the perfect handgun for me.

I, too, find the glock very agreeable. It fits my hands well and I find it easier to shoot than many other handguns. Others may have a different experience but I find the glock to be a very well designed, natural feeling handgun.

kuffs
Mar 29, 2007

Projectile Dysfunction


doogle posted:

I was thinking about getting a 19, but is it worth it to go for the 19C? Also do they make 19C's with OD frames?

edit:

Also I read on some forum that they aren't any Gen 4 19s in OD, any truth in that?

Are you planning to carry it?

Biaxident
Sep 4, 2003

GLOCK: Explosive Firepower!


To you guys who are having accuracy issues with your Glocks: Dry fire, dry fire, dry fire.

"To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic." - Ted Nugent

kuffs
Mar 29, 2007

Projectile Dysfunction


Biaxident posted:

To you guys who are having accuracy issues: Dry fire, dry fire, dry fire.

doogle
May 24, 2003



kuffs posted:

Are you planning to carry it?

no

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

This post is good to go


Don't get the Glock night sights, they suck rear end.

I had a G30, traded it in on a G19. I can keep a whole magazine worth of bullets on a Birchwood Casey prairie dog target at 50 feet, accurate enough for me.

Bob Morales fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Feb 16, 2010

Easychair Bootson
May 7, 2004

Where's the last guy?
Ultimo hombre.
Last man standing.
Must've been one.


Motronic posted:

http://www.topglock.com
These guys suck. They've also got several other re-brandings, all owned by TGSCOM, and all of them suck as well.

edit: Google will tell you all you need to know, but the gist of it is that they list with great prices but effectively never have any of the good stuff in stock, and their customer service makes it exceedingly difficult to cancel, and usually/always charges a restocking fee for cancellations. Some people do end up getting a product at a good price, but the vast majority would rather pay an extra $20 for their Glock and get it in less than 4 months.

Easychair Bootson fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Feb 16, 2010

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.




Click here for the full 2048x1536 image.

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003



Capn Beeb posted:

Drifting out is easy, installing requires a special tool for the front sight. I got the tactical night version of these:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=..._for_GLOCK_reg_

The rear sight didn't want to drift no matter how much I filed, so I just had the smith down the street put them on, ran me



bew bew bew

Stock sights come out so easy, I am amazed they don't simply fall out when shooting. Replacement front sights go in easy. I had to file the gently caress out of my rear and pound it in with a hammer and brass punch.

Also, Warren Sevigny sights are the best. I have the two lamp carry sights and they rock so hard.

UberMoose
Oct 17, 2007
Eventually, there WILL be buckshot.


I put a set of Ameriglo night sights on my G22 soon after buying it. About 7 years later, the front sight is dark but the rear is fine.

The rear sight is drifted out/in. There are two types of front sight, staked in and screw in. The screw in type can be installed with a thin-wall socket if you don't have the special sight tool.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

This post is good to go


Glock safety lock!



Keys

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

U like it


any reason i shouldnt go with the heinie straight 8 night sights?

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

This post is good to go


Kommienzuspadt posted:

any reason i shouldnt go with the heinie straight 8 night sights?

I have them on another gun and don't like them. Have you used them before?

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

U like it


Bob Morales posted:

I have them on another gun and don't like them. Have you used them before?

no, but I do have big chunky heinie target sights on my 1911 .22 kit and like them a lot. i've never tried their night sights though.

why don't you like them/what other brands would you recommend?

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003



Kommienzuspadt posted:

what other brands would you recommend?

Black Stormy posted:

Also, Warren Sevigny sights are the best. I have the two lamp carry sights and they rock so hard.

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Australia cares about cunts. Including this one.

DJExile posted:

Any discussion on Glocks is required to have the absolutely amazing Lee Paige GLOCK FO'TAY video. It's the law.

Also OD Glocks = Best Glocks.

Black Stormy posted:



I wish my 19 was OD.
OD Glock rush!





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Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

U like it


Black Stormy posted:



cool. maybe i'll just get those then, as I already have the sevigny competition fibre optic sights on already, so I wouldn't have to adjust the target picture too much.

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