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Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


Versus Boredom posted:

If you've been sleeping on both these docs I recommend watching them together because it's really interesting to see the different mentalities Danish and American troops have when it comes to the spectrum of war. Though if you have to pick one make it Restrepo. Just in case the reason you are sleeping on these docs is because you don't want to see another silly take on the Afghanistan war, know that both of these movies take no political stand of any kind and just straight up film the lifestyles, behavior, and personalities of young soldiers in intense combat situations.

To be honest, my reason for not wanting to see it is because I've known too many soldiers so I don't know why I'd want to see them in their everyday lives. It would be like watching a documentary about journalism students or wrestling fans who volunteer for free to help out local indies.

I might still end up seeing Restrepo. Buzz usually does that to me.

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Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


WebDog posted:

TL;DR : It's conspiracy drivel and if you so feel changed by this you really need to broaden your horizons and reading material.

This was my issue once upon a time. I love conspiracy drivel and it was a well produced package. However, I took what they said and went out on my own to see the truth in what was said and what was fabrication.

I might have two free hours today. Maybe I'll watch this.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


Operant posted:

tldr watch it if you want to watch a documentary written by that guy in your freshman economics class who asked incredibly annoying, irrelevant questions to the professor, reeked of weed, and dropped out after 3 weeks

I had a guy in my journalism program who was exactly that kid. I believe he dropped out after five months though. He made it through one semester and then dropped out sometime in the second. And he loved Zeitgeist. Mentioned it all of the time. Saying, "DUDE, ZEITGEIST!" was sort of our joke in the program.

I think everyone who has been in high school, college or university since the first one came out has known that guy.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


FirstPersonShitter posted:

It's how bullshitty faith healers and poo poo manage to cure idiots pain sometimes.

I had a friend whose aunt got faith healed of her cancer and refused to do anymore treatment from doctors because the faith healer told her that God removed her cancer.

Guess what she soon died of.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


zamiel posted:

Watched the first two parts of The Story of God last night and found it fascinating look at the history of religion. Don't see it in the OP.

Here's an excerpt from the description: Professor Robert Winston presents a definitive three-part documentary series on the history of mankind’s quest to understand the nature of God.

The Story of God is an epic journey across continents, cultures and eras exploring religious beliefs from their earliest incarnations, through the development of today’s major world faiths and the status of religious faith in a scientific age.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-story-of-god/

The first part was a little boring. I'm on the second part and it's much more interesting. At least to me. Thanks for this!

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


Lone Rogue posted:

The first part was a little boring. I'm on the second part and it's much more interesting. At least to me. Thanks for this!

Wow, the Ken guy from Religulous. What a fantastic main event.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


I'm sure in the last 29 pages there has been a mention of The Union on Netflix, but I recently watched it. I'm a supporter of both the mass legalization of marijuana and hemp in Canada despite not smoking at all. I'd like to see marijuana get taxed and every Canadian to get the benefits. However, they need to sell it better to people. This is about the best sell I've watched, along with the American Drug War: The Last White Hope.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


FirstPersonShitter posted:

Yeah you can trick someone into thinking they dont have something anymore, and maybe even trick them into not feeling it, but it wont go away. It's why faith healers are evil shitheads and should be prosecuted when someone they've 'healed' dies.

It's quite amazing, the human mind. Because they told me after the faith healer, she did seem like she was better. She was happy, active and the colour in her skin seemed to come back. But it was all just in her head. The cancer was getting worse and worse and she just wasn't showing it.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


magnificent7 posted:

Okay - now - bear with me just a second here. If I was dying of cancer and had the choice of body-wrecking chemo and radiation for another 12 months, and then death, OR 6 months of happiness in denial and then a fast drop into the coffin... having seen a girlfriend choose the misery of chemo and death, I'm going to go with happy denial.

That said, I don't need faith healing to put me in the river of denial.

It wasn't happy denial though. Sure, it's happy denial to us, but for her, God saved her life by having this healer save her of her cancer problems.

And her friends and family had to see her convinced that she was free of her cancer... and then she was dead.

I'd probably choose no chemo as well.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


I don't plan to have this contribute to a derail, but isn't the amount of Jews compared to Christians and Muslims like... extremely minimal? Isn't saying the Jews are pooling their funds together like saying the Scientologists are pooling their funds together? Aren't we talking about a population paper cut?

I don't know, I always hear about the Jews and then find out there's an extremely small amount of them out there. They just seem to dominate comedy bars and hate documentaries.

Communocracy posted:

Hah, I wonder how much McDonalds paid this guy.

I had some problems with Supersize me. Like how he was a healthy guy who kept himself in great shape and decided to stop keeping himself in great shape and taking the least amount of movements, to the point where he was even working less in the sack. He basically shut down his body for its usual routine and then stuffed it with an abundance of un-healthy food. What do you think is going to happen? His need to eat more McDonalds than any normal human eats in a day was also over the top for me. I like the documentary but it felt a lot like an anti-drug PSA.

Paper Jam Dipper fucked around with this message at 08:03 on Feb 9, 2011

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Speaking as someone used to hysterical American and UK news-magazine programs, the Fifth Estate is a really fascinating show to watch. I wouldn't go so far as to suggest that it's objective, but it's very even keeled in it's portrayals of various people.

It's the most important programming that CBC creates, but if you ask most Canadians, that would be Hockey Night in Canada.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


The RSA 10 minute animations are the best thing on youtube.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


robotsinmyhead posted:

Logic, common sense, feelings of basic human dignity, and appeals to emotion have all seemed to fail, so...

I was once discussing with a friend how you could ever possibly hit on the older Brunette Phelps daughter. Where would you meet her other than a church or protesting GIs? So really, you have to be committed to hit on her. You're either going to be photographed as a protester to dead GIs or you gotta hit on her in front of her family. I doubt she does anything else other than that. You also can't take her to a restaurant or a bowling alley because they likely ban all Phelps from entering.

I don't care who your wingman is, it's the toughest pick up ever. The cost of even a rejection could be your entire reputation.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


WouldDesk posted:

Michael Moore Hates America

In Michael Moore Hates America, documentarian Michael Wilson searches for the American Dream and sets off on a nationwide quest to interview another millionaire: the "documentary" filmmaker, Michael Moore.



http://www.hulu.com/watch/125307/michael-moore-hates-america?c=News-and-Information/Documentary-and-Biography

I remember seeing the preview for this. During the trailer, it looked like it was fine as focusing on Michael Moore as a false documentarian and the way he tends to make movies instead of documentaries. But instead it went off the deep end into "searching for the American dream" and looked instead like some right wing propaganda film.

Is that what it turns out to be?

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


WouldDesk posted:

No, it turned out pretty good. Although the title suggest he will be making fun of Moore the entire film, it is nothing like that. He talks to people that have unwillingly been used in Moore's films as propaganda such as the bank featured in Bowling for Columbine , a soldier who lost both arms featured in Fahrenheit 9/11 , explaing that Moore flat out lied about growing up in Flynt, Michigan, and does interviews with other films makers. Penn Jillette and the filmmaker have a conversation that is shown in bits throughout also.

I enjoyed it, I also enjoy Moore's films (mainly Bowling) even if when watching you can tell what is edited. What the film does best is show how Michael Moore flat lies about how he said things were not edited, words were not cutout, and speeches were not pieced together in his films. Pretty amazing really that he just says "no, not edited :colbert:" even when proven wrong with evidence. It also shows that while Moore can demean and Slander others, when someone does it to him he turns into a child quite literally. He just yells at people and turns the argument on them. Nothing new from him but it is documented well here. Good watch whether you like Moore or not.

You seem to focus on Moore about this than the "I love America" part.

I'm personally someone who knows that the scene where a girl sells him bullets in Canada was complete bullshit. Didn't happen at all. He never walked out of a Wal-Mart with Canadian bullets.

It's nice that a documentary exposes Michael Moore as a hack documentarian (is that the right word?) because he deserves. I think "Capitalism: A Love Story" was probably his best, but I wouldn't be surprised if his numbers were a little wacky in them. He's the worst possible spokesman for a left winger fearing corporations and government.

Yet everything I've seen and heard about "Michael Moore Hates America" tends to fit more to what shotgunbadger was saying in that it borderlines and sometimes crosses libertarian stupidity. I'm gonna watch it sometime next week but I have a feeling even with my low opinion of Michael Moore, I'm going to enjoy it as much as Expelled.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


Wow. My emotions took a 180 on that quote. At one point I was like, "Wow. Ignorant." and by the end I understood where he was coming from. I don't care for basketball but I think I'll look into it.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


Farbtoner posted:

I watched the first episode and didn't really care for it, for someone who advocates critical thought he's way too eager to accept all sorts of bullshit evopsych about why television affects us and completely fumbles a lot of basic brain anatomy and chemistry. I love Booker's other stuff but I think this could have done a better job balancing the humor and cynicism with the actual informative bits.

Yeah, about five minutes in I took it as just a great way to kick back on a Saturday night and giggle at old British and American footage ("Thanks Steve Guttenberg!") than an informative documentary.

EDIT: Bumming Off seems like the worst TV program ever made. Wow.

Paper Jam Dipper fucked around with this message at 00:38 on May 29, 2011

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


WebDog posted:

Also Bumming Off isn't an actual TV show, and neither was Orlov they're just warped examples Brooker creates.

:aaaaa:

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


Pooned posted:

That person deserves the dumbest kid award. It's almost too dumb and naive to be believable.

Every man has done something dumb for a lying woman promising sex.

Just not... that far.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


spirited posted:

Starting to watch Part 2 of All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace.

The first part was drat good. It gave me an understanding of why when I was a kid the internet user base that actually used correct grammar around the 90s seemed to be Objectivists that self identified as Randian dicks more often than not. The software and hardware companies of the day thought they were creating a new economy, but the internet seems to have gradually lost much of its insanely creative experimental nature now like the freakish web 2.0 businesses that got funded by naive venture capitalists. At this point it has probably coalesced to have what are probably going to be long time mainstays (Google, Facebook, Skype, Youtube, Hulu, FireFox, Twitter) and with the economy and the government now seriously trying to regulate poo poo it's going to be interesting.

I hope China produces some internationally useful something or other, eventually they're going to be in a position to eat the West alive if they progress smoothly.

I think both parts were absolutely brilliant. Even better is reading youtube comments from Randian dicks trying to argue that they never got what they wanted and Greenspan did it wrong.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


marktheando posted:

In addition to the ones already mentioned I like the UFO hunters and pro-wrestling episodes. But the survivalist one is probably my favourite. The scene where they are drawing all the earthquakes, tornadoes, etc across the map of America is just amazing. Of course the area where their survivalist compound is ends up being the only place in America that doesn't get destroyed.

But basically just watch all of them, Theroux is always great. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Louis_Theroux_Documentaries Most of them are on youtube or dailymotion.

I think I've seen the wrestling one. I might be confusing it with an A&E special on wrestling. So I'm gonna hunt that one down.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


AwkwardKnob posted:

I just wrapped up watching all 3 parts of All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace and I've just got to say that it's going to take a while to process everything I just learned about my upbringing, but never knew I didn't know. Astounding piece of work. Not sure if I liked the ending or not yet. I'm afraid I might not understand entirely what he meant. Maybe it was naive to expect a happy ending hm?

Does he over-use any Nine Inch Nails songs in part III? Once my internet is back up at home I plan to watch it.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


AwkwardKnob posted:

A couple times the piano chords struck pretty hard, but it was legit, you'll see. There's some extremely shocking imagery in the third one. The whole 3-part production really left me in an odd place because I feel like the past 40 years have been a long failed experiment unfolding and we're stuck in it. Not sure where to go from here in light of what I was shown.

I finally caught it and... I don't know what to loving say either. It's kind of... hopeless.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


Christoph posted:

The documentary also claims that photographs of repeat shoplifters are entered into a multi-store supernetwork dedicated to tracking down shoplifters. This info is also made available to other retailers- even competitors. No, it isn't. And even if this were true, are managers expected to study the faces of these shoplifters on the database and also stand guard at the door to identify them during all store hours?

I worked at Wal-Mart in Canada for close to two years and there was only one instance I can recall where our Shoplifter Police (Loss Prevention) mentioned that they got word that a known shoplifter from the other Wal-Mart was in our store. The guy looked pretty crazy, wearing a gigantic winter coat and boots in May, The one main guy however found an opened package around the clothing area and went to work.

He hid behind clothing racks, he convinced other workers to help him and finally, after tracking him for over 10 minutes he decided to stop him in front of everybody and claim he stole something. Fact is, he didn't. His entire reasoning was that some other Loss Prevention person told him he's a common shoplifter. It might not have even been the same guy. It was all on a hunch. He got in big poo poo after it.

I can promise you that every single person I saw in the Loss Prevention office for the entire time I worked at two different stores never got their faces photographed by Wal-Mart or the Police. Most of them were let go as well. I can also promise you that Wal-Mart is a cheap company that would never spend money on that technology, especially after one of the top guys at the U.S. Wal-Mart stated in a public interview that the company really doesn't care if someone steals a product for under $10. That sent our store in a loving tizzy.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


Taima posted:

It's interesting that he goes right into the goat castration story. That must have left a giant impression, as I distinctly remember him talking about this for quite some time on Loveline years ago. I wonder if that's his ace in the hole conversation card.

It's a pretty crazy story, especially since the "humane" way isn't very humane.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


Alastor_the_Stylish posted:

I'd recommend against Forks Over Knives, seeing as it's vegan propaganda.

Care to explain that more?

(I am a meat loving son of a bitch. But vegetables are awesome too. Go on.)

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


StrangersInTheNight posted:

Even though you saw no pictures being taken, I can guarantee you Wal-mart uses the NRMA retail theft database - which just requires a scan of someone's license (so they wouldn't need to take pictures in the office). But I seriously doubt they'd let someone go without entering them into the database; even if they don't want to prosecute, they want to make sure they never inadvertently hire that person.

I wouldn't be surprised if they had access to use it but just never did. Mind you I'm just one former associate from two stores in Canada and I'm speaking from experience of one in particular. I saw people get grabbed, sat in a room with the door open half of the time, get yelled at, police threatened to be called, police called and police just escorting the person out. This was especially entertaining when they arrested someone who was really old stealing a can of tuna and every one looked down on the store and loss prevention, especially the cops. The one guy always had this deer in headlights look on him like he wanted to freak out because, "IT'S A CRIMINAL! THIS IS A BLACK AND WHITE SITUATION, DAMNIT!"

But yeah. Hey, does any one know if you can find "All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace" streamed anywhere anymore? I can't find it.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


The MTV "True Life" series was pretty good. I'm a Stripper, I'm a Wrestler and I'm a Videogame Addict were all quite enjoyable.

I've never been able to find the one they did on MTV2 though where Gideon Yago and Iann Robinson decided to go out and try to find out the meaning of the word "gangsta". I thought that was absolutely hilarious.

Headbangers Ball: Uncensored was quite cool too just watching the origins of it, even though I'm :canada: and didn't grow up with MTV.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


Hormones posted:

Any recommendations for documentaries on religious cults? The crazier, the better.

Fall From Grace and Jesus Camp would be a good start.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


Watching Something from Nothing! The Art of Rap. 20 minutes in it's extremely interesting. I love the explanation of how the African American community used to play instruments, lost their instruments and instead turned to the record player.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


Head Games is a documentary about concussions and the way sports has tried to hide their severity for decades. It is also about our lack of understanding both medically and as a society. The documentary is an extension of a book by Chris Nowinski, a former college football player and former WWE wrestler. The best moment is when a high school medical coach tries to argue Nowinski's information during a presentation and then reveals that his daughter gets a concussion every time she plays soccer and he hasn't done anything about it. It's okay to spoil it because when you see it, you'll still be in awe of it happening. It's like a guy arguing that child pornography doesn't happen and then showing you photos of naked teenagers.

The documentary is currently on Netflix Canada so I presume it's on Netflix America. I consider it a must watch for anyone who thinks they may have suffered a head injury in the past and can think back to what cognitive skills they might have lost since. When they start talking about sub-concussions you might get a little frightened. It's also a must watch for any parent thinking of having their children get involved in a contact sport.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


McBeth posted:

http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Cleanflix/70123263?trkid=7728646

Clean Flicks, -the small video rental store in Utah that started the R rating scrubbing of movies for nice Mormon families. They aren't supposed to watch R rated movies (see: This Film is Not Yet Rated for more on ratings bullshit) It's really interesting, and I am ashamed to have lived in that area for a while. There were many Christ-like families were participating in the owner/s breaking of copyright law, well beyond the uncertainty of the situation.

I sided with directors on this one, it's their creative work and video rental owners were cutting out the swearing and sex, violence gets a pass apparently. Also the Mormons who rented and bought the sanitized movies, really sticking with the spirit of the law there right? Well, the ending was complete schadenfreude for me, and it was delicious.

The fact that Hollywood edits movies already (airplane, TV, international) but refuses to sell them made me wonder why. The music industry does it. Plus there's already the MPAA that enforces edits due to content which is for some reason tolerated and accepted. For directors like Mann and Jewison to fight little video stores in Utah but not the MPAA left a bad taste in my mouth. Also, didn't Blockbuster at one time sell edited movies?

I think I'm going to try and catch the Mormon movie they talk about. Looked interesting.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


WebDog posted:

They have their global app which is a monthly fee for limited content. It's interesting as it's generally helping gauge what is popular enough to be sold overseas.

He did one last year about Westerns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKuw8MgvmAE

And if you want more about Native American's on film, there's also Reel Injun

This was pretty enjoyable.

I understand that westerns used to be commonplace and now it's a bit of a niché genre but I wish people would stop being dramatic and call that the death of the western. Especially when something like Deadwood was around during the making of that and never mentioned.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


magnificent7 posted:

Side By Side
I love documentaries about movie making. This one is pretty interesting about Digital vs. Film:


Wait what? Keanu Reeves? Yep. He's making a movie about movies and interviews some great directors, editors, cameramen. They compare the old movies to the new ones, the way digital has made it better, and worse, blah blah go watch the movie. It's on Netflix Streaming.

Watching this right now. I loving love how Reeves is narrating. There is zero pretension or "I'M THE STAR OF THE SHOW" in his voice. He's even fine showing himself with notes.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


DrVenkman posted:

From what people say it's pretty much what he's like in real life too. He's remarkably ego-less, no one seems to have a bad thing to say about him at all and according to Laurence Fishburne he'll embarrass you in Chess.

I'm not surprised. I'm a bit of a Keanu apologist. A guy who is in that many good movies can't be as bad as what we claim. And the bad movies he's in? He's never the reason.

I'm not saying, "Maybe his portrayal of a French Canadian goaltender in Youngblood wasn't as bad as I thought" but maybe we don't always need a scene chewing actor.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


Robert Denby posted:

Its more about how digital has completely taken over film, and how quick the transition has been. I'm working towards a career in film preservation so I actually saw this in a class. One of the last scenes in the film talks about preservation, and the one cinematographer's line about preserving movies digitally ("Where are we? We're hosed.") has become something of a mantra to us.

There's so many great lines in the doc. It's quote heaven.

"In a way, cinema was the church of the 20th century."

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


It was probably mentioned here earlier but Sound City is pretty incredible. Kind of makes you remember what you used to love about rock music, if you stopped loving it at all. I think it had a lot of similarities to Side by Side. The best part is probably the soundtrack, which is incredible. Artists from different generations coming together to jam. For me the best was definitely the final track "Mantra" but I'm a bit of a mark for Trent Reznor. Best documentary of this year I've seen yet.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


Bolek posted:

As utterly terrible as it was I have no doubt that if they had actually given this movie a proper release and put a modest amount of ad dollars behind it it would have made over a 100 mil easy.

Felt dirty just typing that.

I'd say 2/3rds of my friends love that movie, including 2/3rds of my former girlfriends. Every time I watch it I die a little inside knowing I didn't like it the first time but it still keeps coming around, being shown at pubs or at somebody's house. I'm convinced people believe that enjoying St. Patrick's Day means you have to enjoy that loving movie.

I think I also hated it so much because it got way more love than The Big Hit, which was a loving dumb Tarantino rip off but at least it was usually entertaining dumb.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


magnificent7 posted:

Freakonomics maybe?

Just skip that Spurlocky piece of poo poo first segment about names.

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Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW


cloudchamber posted:

Do they also repeat the absurd claims that abortion lowered crime rates that appeared in the book?

That would be segment three narrated by Melvin Van Peebles.

If anything, people should just find the second segment about cheating in sumo. That's really well edited and a great watch.

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