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NeilPerry
May 2, 2010


I'm looking for documentaries about veganism, anarchism and punk. I've already seen Antifa -Chasseurs de skins, Food Inc and Earthlings.

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NeilPerry
May 2, 2010


Lets! Get! Weird! posted:

As powerful and great as the documentary is, this makes no sense as cows and chickens don't have culture, familial bonds, or anything even remotely resembling mammalian intelligence.

How does it not make sense? Animals are conscious of their surroundings and can feel pain, stress, solitude and a variety of emotions albeit not nearly in an as sophisticated manner as we do. The distinction you've made for yourself is purely imaginary.

NeilPerry
May 2, 2010


Ropes4u posted:

Most people struggle with what to do it isn't like they can storm the Bastille with a pitchfork. Do anything "drastic" you get labeled a crackpot and get to have surprise sex for the rest of your life.

I don't know, going vegan, stop buying foxconn products, checking where your clothes are being made are all very easy drastic things to do and go a long way. And it's not like people aren't inclined to do those things, they just feel like it's too difficult(it isn't) and are constantly being pressured by society to be apathetic about these things.

NeilPerry
May 2, 2010


Lets! Get! Weird! posted:

One of these things is not like the others.

I can only imagine you're talking about veganism and I'd have to say you're exactly the reason why people who watch Earthlings, etc and feel deeply that they don't want to contribute to the industry anymore end up doing it again because it's somehow less socially acceptable to stand up for what you believe than it is to not care about suffering. And again, it's not a zero sum game. Caring about animal rights does not mean you don't care about human rights, and essentially animal rights ARE human rights(for the industry's contribution to global warming, its overuse of antibiotics, etc).

And either way, I was simply talking about any particular thing a person might be tempted to do after watching a documentary and not necessarily saying everyone should become anti-capitalist veganists(though I do think the world would be better if they did).

NeilPerry
May 2, 2010


...of SCIENCE! posted:

This kind of identity politics dick-waving is exactly what scares most people away from activism in the first place. :thumbsup:

Tell me, how does that work? What is the alternative?

NeilPerry
May 2, 2010


Basebf555 posted:

The best way to inspire people is to lead by example, not by constantly pointing out their shortcomings. When people get down on themselves they tend to withdraw, so when you hear somebody say they were inspired by watching a documentary, maybe bring up some things that you are involved with that they could join. Or jump in and talk about all the stuff you've learned since you got into the subject, since presumably you know a lot more about it than someone who's interest was just peaked by watching a documentary. Instead the first move is to bemoan all those lazy assholes who say they care but never do anything about it. Its like, yea those people are very prevalent, but is that really the time to complain about it? Wouldn't a more positive attitude get things moving a lot more effectively?

In that case I think my post was just taken out of context. I was replying to a guy who claimed that outside of activism there isn't much one can do, but I replied saying you can do quite a lot with just simple choices as a consumer.

Basebf555 posted:

Its us! WE ARE THE PROBLEM.

We aren't? I mean it, how are we not the problem? We give money to the people who slaughter the animals you don't want to see slaughtered or make the products in environments you swore to yourself you'd never support. I'm not talking about laziness, I'm talking about cognitive dissonance, which, as far as I'm concerned, you're doing right now.

NeilPerry
May 2, 2010


Lets! Get! Weird! posted:

You are aware Earthlings is a documentary of extreme examples and not how those things are normally carried out?

The movie affected me pretty hard but then I went out and did my research and it wasn't gonna make me stop eating meat anyway because I need my protein to grow muscles. Plus you can get meat other ways than factory farms.

What does it matter if Earthlings only shows 'extreme cases'? The point of the documentary remains the same: Animals are aware of the world just as we are, even if they're dumb as rocks, and maybe, just maybe, that entitles them to a live free from needless pain and 'enslavement'(for lack of a better word) and we should think about that. Whether or not butchers love their animals and kill them in clean and efficient manners does not, in any way, affect that argument. Not to mention how the hell do you know what kind of factory/farm your meat or dairy came from if you're eating out, buying a hotdog at a hotdog stand or just eating anything that has dairy as an ingredient.

There are people who watch Earthlings and get to that conclusion, but then they're instantly demotivated by their environment because god forbid someone tries to 'be the change you want to see in the world' if that change might gently caress up their rights to eat meat!

And come on now, if you did your research you'd know the whole protein debate is a load of crap. For one, seitan has more protein than any kind of meat and is incredibly cheap to make yourself, and if you're trying to bulk up and gain muscles chances are you're going to drink protein shakes anyway. But that's an argument for a different thread.

EDIT: What I mean is, don't be a dick. If someone watches Blackfish and feels like becoming a vegetarian then don't loving demotivate them just because you don't want to feel inferior or whatever the reason is why you made that post. It's petty.

NeilPerry fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Dec 31, 2013

NeilPerry
May 2, 2010


Xandoom posted:

Can anyone reccomend some awesome metal documentaries? Or music docs in general.

Ones i've seen and enjoyed:

Pure loving Mayhem
Until The Light Takes Us
Last Days Here
Kurt and Courtney
Anvil! The Story of Anvil
Thanks!

If you're into DC hardcore I suggest Fugazi's documentary Instrument. I haven't actually seen it but I hear good things about it. It's supposedly rather self-indulgent but Fugazi is an amazing band so I don't think that's much of a problem. Bit on the long end though.

NeilPerry
May 2, 2010


Basebf555 posted:

You're absolutely right but its an extremely obvious point that I don't really need made for me by every random dude on the internet who sees someone mention that they saw Blackfish. No poo poo, a lot of people struggle with this issue and the cognitive dissonance that often comes along with it, and right now I'm one of them. I don't need you to tell me all about the stuff I'm not doing.

Yeah, I wouldn't talk about things in that way outside of a thread like this though. You gotta admit, in what way cognitive dissonance affects the effect a documentary can have on you is a valid thing to discuss. I just went a bit too far, sorry.

NeilPerry
May 2, 2010


smurf1788 posted:

I watched it but IDk. I keep hearing everyone say " Take it with a grain of salt" or it's a "shock film"

What is this grain of salt? That orcas are not as intelligent as the movie makes them out to be? It's just mind boggling that people's mental defences would reach so far but I guess we're still experiencing that kind of anti-scientism with global warming so maybe I should stop being so surprised.

Honestly, everyone should watch Blackfish. It's just a really good documentary.

NeilPerry
May 2, 2010


Basebf555 posted:

Can you elaborate on that? I don't remember when DNA and aggression were discussed and in what context. I thought they were arguing the opposite, that Tilikum's traumatic experiences made him aggressive and dangerous.

He's right, the argument does pop up. They make the argument that having him be a breeding animal for other orcas is dangerous because of his history of aggression. It's something that made me raise an eyebrow but it is such a small detail that it really doesn't matter one way or another.

Other than that, some subjects require bias to an extent. Like genocides, war victims or other victims of systemic violence, I strongly believe that animal suffering is definitely one of those things where the other side's opinion or claims don't matter as much as those of the side that's suffering. Though I think people should always stick to good science(look at the whole 'animal testing isn't necessary' in Earthlings. Technically, it isn't, but a lot more people are going to die without it)

NeilPerry fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Jan 16, 2014

NeilPerry
May 2, 2010


I'm looking for anything cool about the nature in Japan or the history of Tokyo. Just nothing economic or current social issues. Interesting subcultures are fine too though.


EDIT: The documentary may also be in Japanese, in fact I'd be really interested in seeing a genuine Japanese documentary.

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NeilPerry
May 2, 2010


magnificent7 posted:

I prefer to think of it as the land of the most chemically well-adjusted, but hey, potato tomato whatevs. I wonder if legal weed will have an impact on that number in the next decade. I'm not a huge "hemp evangelist", but I do know a lot of folks who seem to get along without insurance, as long as they get their vitamin weed.

Basically, not all addiction is terrible. Maybe some people find the idea of addiction in any form scary but for others the alternative is depression, chronic pain, etc etc. I'd prefer a controllable addiction over that.

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